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Offline tednlou2

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Re: Obamacare.
« Reply #300 on: March 11, 2014, 02:18:59 PM »
President Obama does a mock talk show interview with Zach Galifianakis, for Funny or Die.  So, Funny or Die? 

Does this kind of thing work?  I found myself FWDing through it.  Even though there were some funny lines, it still just seemed like one of those late night infomercials, where they pretend to be doing a real interview, but it is way too rehearsed.  I suppose even if younger folks roll their eyes, it may still get them to think about signing up. 

http://www.upworthy.com/president-obama-burns-a-rude-celebrity-and-then-teaches-him-how-to-get-it-treated?c=ufb1

Offline Dan0

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Re: Obamacare.
« Reply #301 on: March 11, 2014, 02:40:28 PM »
Funny you should mention this...I just saw this over at JoeMyGod

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Offline mitch777

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Re: Obamacare.
« Reply #302 on: April 17, 2014, 06:30:59 PM »
Obama announced today in a press conference that 8 million people have signed up and 35% of those were under 35 years old.

Seems like it's working as planned. Now if the Republicans could finally admit it they could focus their energy on fixing any flaws and attend to more important issues facing our country but I know that won't happen before November. Hell, I bet they vote to repeal the ACA another few times in the coming months. So sad.

He also mentioned in his PC that the Governors who didn't allow Medicaid expansion are denying another 5 million people healthcare purely for political reasons. Obvious to me but the people that live in these states are the only ones with the power to vote them out. I wish them the best.
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Offline mecch

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Re: Obamacare.
« Reply #303 on: April 17, 2014, 06:56:01 PM »
Rachel Maddow reported this week (?) that the Republicans voted a minor fix for Obama Care, very very quietly.
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Offline mitch777

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Re: Obamacare.
« Reply #304 on: April 17, 2014, 07:35:08 PM »
Rachel Maddow reported this week (?) that the Republicans voted a minor fix for Obama Care, very very quietly.

Details? Or was it SO quiet that it will never be heard?

Edited to add:
Or does the "minor" fix come at the cost of another social program. Sorry, I'm jaded.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2014, 07:40:28 PM by mitch777 »
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Offline leatherman

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Re: Obamacare.
« Reply #305 on: April 18, 2014, 12:09:24 AM »
Details?

Edited to add:
Or does the "minor" fix come at the cost of another social program. Sorry, I'm jaded.
Color yourself Jade. :(

"At the urging of business organizations, House Republicans quietly secured a recent change to Obamacare to expand coverage choices
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No member of the House GOP leadership has publicly hailed the fix, which was tucked, at Republicans’ request, into legislation preventing a cut in payments to doctors who treat Medicare patients."
http://freakoutnation.com/2014/04/06/house-republicans-quietly-support-a-change-in-obamacare-to-expand-coverage/

Rachel's vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwWX80RBA8s
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Oh my friends, my friends forgive me
That I live and you are gone.
There's a grief that can't be spoken.
There's a pain goes on and on.
Empty chairs at empty tables
Where my friends will meet no more.

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Offline mitch777

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Re: Obamacare.
« Reply #306 on: April 18, 2014, 03:33:54 PM »
Color yourself Jade. :(

"At the urging of business organizations, House Republicans quietly secured a recent change to Obamacare to expand coverage choices
....
No member of the House GOP leadership has publicly hailed the fix, which was tucked, at Republicans’ request, into legislation preventing a cut in payments to doctors who treat Medicare patients."
http://freakoutnation.com/2014/04/06/house-republicans-quietly-support-a-change-in-obamacare-to-expand-coverage/

Rachel's vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwWX80RBA8s

Interesting. Reform due to pressure from the business community. Why bury it? (rhetorical question)
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Offline BT65

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Re: Obamacare.
« Reply #307 on: Yesterday at 04:52:25 PM »
He also mentioned in his PC that the Governors who didn't allow Medicaid expansion are denying another 5 million people healthcare purely for political reasons. Obvious to me but the people that live in these states are the only ones with the power to vote them out. I wish them the best.

I live in one of those states and I can tell you that Indiana is pretty conservative.  Pretty typical Nascar fans, beer-drinking, gun-toting rednecks.  Not that everyone who likes one of those activities is a redneck. But typically, well, they are.

I wish these people would realize they're being screwed.  But, they don't.  You would think with Indiana University (IUSB), Notre Dame, and St Mary's, it would be more liberal.  And they do have liberal groups on these campuses and do lots of community service.  But, you are correct M, they need to vote these fuckers out.  Too many people being untreated.  I just talked to one today whose shoulder is dislocated.  She cannot get it fixed due to no health coverage.  MADDENING!
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Offline mitch777

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Re: Obamacare.
« Reply #308 on: Yesterday at 06:06:31 PM »
I live in one of those states and I can tell you that Indiana is pretty conservative.  Pretty typical Nascar fans, beer-drinking, gun-toting rednecks.  Not that everyone who likes one of those activities is a redneck. But typically, well, they are.

I wish these people would realize they're being screwed.  But, they don't.  You would think with Indiana University (IUSB), Notre Dame, and St Mary's, it would be more liberal.  And they do have liberal groups on these campuses and do lots of community service.  But, you are correct M, they need to vote these fuckers out.  Too many people being untreated.  I just talked to one today whose shoulder is dislocated.  She cannot get it fixed due to no health coverage.  MADDENING!

It IS maddening. I hear reports from MNSBC (ya, I know, liberal media) that it is estimated 17,000 people will die this year in the states that refused to expand Medicaid. Wonder what "death squad" Michelle Bachman has to say about that. Wait... I don't want to know.

I'm sure your story is repeated countless times over across those states. I honestly think it's all about education. A tough job ahead.
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Offline mecch

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Re: Obamacare.
« Reply #309 on: Yesterday at 07:44:34 PM »
I have a question. The oft touted 8,000,000 people on "Obama Care" first year out. Is there a breakdown yet how many people signed up for state run and how many to the national?  How many people from states that didn't expand Medicaid, signed up for national plans?
Isn't there a way to fund the poor who might have been eligible for state medicaid, had it been offered, to next year somehow get enough funds to buy plans on the national exchange? 
I realise its a nation with state powers and independence. But it maybe not be constructive or realistic to expect the banana-republic 3rd world mentality states to put their legislatures in order. 
Its seems like a long slow slide to destitution and in 20 years there will be failed States peppering the country.  At that point, its going to be even more expensive to fix and that means one or two decades of people suffering, with poor country standards of living, in one of the so-called "richest countries in the world".   
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

Offline buginme2

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Re: Obamacare.
« Reply #310 on: Yesterday at 08:50:54 PM »
I have a question. The oft touted 8,000,000 people on "Obama Care" first year out. Is there a breakdown yet how many people signed up for state run and how many to the national?  How many people from states that didn't expand Medicaid, signed up for national plans?
Isn't there a way to fund the poor who might have been eligible for state medicaid, had it been offered, to next year somehow get enough funds to buy plans on the national exchange? 


What do you mean by how many people signed up for state run versus national?

I thought the 8 million were people who signed up for private insurance on the exchanges.  I don't think it includes people who signed up for Medicaid.  But I could be wrong.

In states that didn't expand Medicaid the poor are still offered subsidies to purchase insurance, but if you still can't afford it your shit out of luck.

I have a friend who got on Medicaid with the expansion.  She hasn't been to a doctor in years.  She got coverage on the exchange through Medicaid, she got a phone call two days later from a medical clinic in her neighborhood to set up an appointment, was seen two weeks later.  Was amazing how quick and easy it was.

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Offline leatherman

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Re: Obamacare.
« Reply #311 on: Yesterday at 11:42:01 PM »
In states that didn't expand Medicaid the poor are still offered subsidies to purchase insurance, but if you still can't afford it your shit out of luck.
not quite. if you're so poor that you would have been eligible for Medicaid Expansion,  then you are too poor to qualify for any subsidies from get-go. Subsidies are for people who are not quite as poor and make too much to qualify for ME in the first place.

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If you make less than about $11,490 a year as a single person or about $23,550 for a family of 4, you may not qualify for lower costs for private insurance based on your income. You may be eligible for Medicaid, even without the expansion, based on your state’s existing rules. But if you aren’t, you won’t qualify for either of the affordability options under the health care law.
https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-my-state-is-not-expanding-medicaid/
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Oh my friends, my friends forgive me
That I live and you are gone.
There's a grief that can't be spoken.
There's a pain goes on and on.
Empty chairs at empty tables
Where my friends will meet no more.

"Empty Chairs at Empty Tables" from Les Miserables

Offline leatherman

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Re: Obamacare.
« Reply #312 on: Yesterday at 11:42:51 PM »
How many people from states that didn't expand Medicaid, signed up for national plans?
Medicaid Expansion and getting insurance through the exchanges (either state- or federal-administered, and with or without subsidies) are different issues.

Isn't there a way to fund the poor who might have been eligible for state medicaid, had it been offered, to next year somehow get enough funds to buy plans on the national exchange?
SC has started up it's own program to help the poor - the Healthy Outcomes Plan. Instead of using the federal tax dollars that could have come back to our state through ME, our Governor tasked the Director of Health and Human Services (tony keck) to create a whole other plan, funded by SC, to fill in the gap.

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TONY KECK: My fear is, in the states where there’s Medicaid expansion that hospitals and doctors and other health care providers take the path of least resistance, which is instead of going and finding the people who need the most help, they take the healthy folks who just come on into their door, easy dollars, easy to treat. And it’s not really solving the big problems that a state like South Carolina needs to focus on.

MARY JO BROOKS: Keck has launched a pilot program that he thinks could do just that. It’s called the Healthy Outcomes Plan, and it’s really a series of 40 different experiments, each one developed by hospitals in the state to reach out to uninsured people who are chronic users of their emergency rooms
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/in-a-state-without-medicaid-expansion-uninsured-south-carolinians-mind-the-gap/

the problem with Keck's plan (besides the huge cost to SC w/o any federal reimbursement) is, as the SC HIV Task Force pointed out in our one-on-one meeting with Mr. Keck, is that the hospitals which he believed would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised have sat on the funds and reached out to no one. Millions of dollars earmarked for health care for those who would have received ME are sitting idle in hospital bank accounts - while the dozen ASOs in SC could have used those funds to treat financially poor PLWH.

Its seems like a long slow slide to destitution and in 20 years there will be failed States peppering the country.  At that point, its going to be even more expensive to fix and that means one or two decades of people suffering, with poor country standards of living, in one of the so-called "richest countries in the world".   
I would venture to say that we're already in that slide you mention and that 20-yrs could be wishful thinking. SC, Mississippi and Alabama (for example) with their low quality education issues, high STI rates, high teen pregnancy, poor overall health, poor access to health care, poverty.....well with all those issues and more, some states are already on the verge of failing right now.
leatherman (aka mIkIE)


chart from 1992-2013; updated 2/09/13  Reyataz/Norvir/Truvada

Oh my friends, my friends forgive me
That I live and you are gone.
There's a grief that can't be spoken.
There's a pain goes on and on.
Empty chairs at empty tables
Where my friends will meet no more.

"Empty Chairs at Empty Tables" from Les Miserables

 


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