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Author Topic: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it  (Read 2286 times)

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Offline numbersguy82

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44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« on: September 23, 2010, 08:13:32 PM »
Interesting read. I would be curious to have more info like rate of testing, but I think the number still seems high to me:

ATLANTA Ė One in five sexually active gay and bisexual men has the AIDS virus, and nearly half of those don't know they are infected, a federal study of 21 U.S. cities shows.

Experts said the findings are similar to earlier research, but the study released Thursday is the largest to look at gay and bisexual U.S. men at high risk for HIV. More than 8,000 men were tested and interviewed, and 44 percent of those who had the virus didn't know they had it.

The link to the entire article is here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100923/ap_on_he_me/us_med_aids_urban_gays
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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2010, 08:17:41 PM »
I don't find the number high, but then the focus of this keep in mind is urban gays and should only be seen as such.
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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2010, 08:25:44 PM »
Agreed... As opposed to those rural gays who are a billiion times more likely to never get tested and keep their sexuality and exploits hidden at all costs. When you think about it like that it is scary. I mean at least cities and larger areas have Pride events where mobile testing and awareness is available.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2010, 08:27:33 PM by numbersguy82 »
8/10- 73 cd4, 7%, and 300k VL *First Labs*
9/10- Started Norvir, Prezista, and Truvada
10/10- 511 cd4, 22%, and 886 VL
12/10- 498 cd4, 22%, and 106 VL
3/11- 529 cd4, 29%, and 101 VL
8/11- 620 cd4, 30%, and 74 VL- Switched to Atripla
10/11- 580 ce4, 30%, and 62 VL
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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2010, 08:27:07 PM »
I would never make such an assumption without accompanying data!
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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2010, 08:34:45 PM »
Maybe a billion was overstated, but coming from rural NC I have too many friends with that mentality.
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9/10- Started Norvir, Prezista, and Truvada
10/10- 511 cd4, 22%, and 886 VL
12/10- 498 cd4, 22%, and 106 VL
3/11- 529 cd4, 29%, and 101 VL
8/11- 620 cd4, 30%, and 74 VL- Switched to Atripla
10/11- 580 ce4, 30%, and 62 VL
12/11- 684 cd4, 31%, and FINALLY *UD*

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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2010, 08:38:01 PM »
coming from rural NC

You poor, tortured soul -- is there a cure for that affliction?
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Offline numbersguy82

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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2010, 08:40:52 PM »
HAHA unfortunately no... I will always dress badly and develop a twang when I drink lol
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9/10- Started Norvir, Prezista, and Truvada
10/10- 511 cd4, 22%, and 886 VL
12/10- 498 cd4, 22%, and 106 VL
3/11- 529 cd4, 29%, and 101 VL
8/11- 620 cd4, 30%, and 74 VL- Switched to Atripla
10/11- 580 ce4, 30%, and 62 VL
12/11- 684 cd4, 31%, and FINALLY *UD*

Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2010, 08:41:43 PM »
I'm going to check the online version of American Angler and Fly Fisherman's magazines to see if I can find some back up data.
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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2010, 10:02:45 PM »
That's a painfully high percentage and Im assuming a good amount of the 44% are continually practicing unsafe sex. :(

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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2010, 10:20:25 PM »
CLEAN D&D FREE U B 2!

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« Last Edit: September 23, 2010, 10:22:00 PM by Miss Philicia »
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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2010, 10:25:09 PM »
CLEAN D&D FREE U B 2!

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You forgot:

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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2010, 10:30:13 PM »
THIS IS VERY MISLEADING.   quote:
ATLANTA Ė One in five (20%) sexually active gay and bisexual men has the AIDS virus, and nearly half (44%) of those don't know they are infected.

One thing I can do is math. 44% of 20% is 9%  so the REAL story is  9% of sexually active gay and bisexual men have HIV and don't  know it.  They are using numbers to blow up the story and try to scare people.  Our local  television station kfvs12 had a similar headline earlier today that said 44% OF GAY MEN HAVE HIV.  When I would click on the link , it would say story unavailable.  More  blowing things out of proportion to try to scare people.   A more proper  story would be something like.... there will be a free health screening at........ on.....     But nooooooo ,   nobody can do anything like that.   Let's  keep stigma alive.  Let's distort the numbers and make it look  like every gay you meet is a ticking time bomb!  Abuse of numbers  to write such a story like this does not encourage people to be tested, which is what needs to  be done,  instead it stirs up more homophobia in the public at large and I find it an insult to my friends! :(

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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2010, 10:36:45 PM »

You forgot:

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No fats or fems allowed."

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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2010, 10:45:37 PM »
no scat pain or piss games. Up for MUTUAL FUN ONLY

420 friendly, Poppers move to the front of the line.

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Married or on the down low ++

Threesomes hot.  No smiles or winks!!!!!

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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2010, 10:58:01 PM »
THIS IS VERY MISLEADING.   quote:
ATLANTA Ė One in five (20%) sexually active gay and bisexual men has the AIDS virus, and nearly half (44%) of those don't know they are infected.




I agree with everything you said, but I wanted to point out that they arrived at 44% because of the 8k men they interviewed ,44% of those men didn't know they were poz. Altho the figures and stats are misleading after you pointed it out. It really is sensationalizing things no matter the cost... I still want to know what in my fridge could be killing me, and because I missed the news today I may never know :(
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9/10- Started Norvir, Prezista, and Truvada
10/10- 511 cd4, 22%, and 886 VL
12/10- 498 cd4, 22%, and 106 VL
3/11- 529 cd4, 29%, and 101 VL
8/11- 620 cd4, 30%, and 74 VL- Switched to Atripla
10/11- 580 ce4, 30%, and 62 VL
12/11- 684 cd4, 31%, and FINALLY *UD*

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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2010, 11:20:09 PM »
Str8 acting only. No bears, pigs or other farm animals.

Married or on the down low ++

Threesomes hot.  No smiles or winks!!!!!

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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2010, 11:23:14 PM »
Don't forget the whole "You don't look like you have HIV."

44% sometimes seems like lowballing. But then again, I post in AM I. Jaded, much.
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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2010, 11:32:48 PM »
WAIT, you forgot BB+++ Top Only

I believe we have created the perfect manhunt profile. Now we only need a pic or two.
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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2010, 12:04:03 AM »
Agreed... As opposed to those rural gays who are a billiion times more likely to never get tested and keep their sexuality and exploits hidden at all costs. When you think about it like that it is scary. I mean at least cities and larger areas have Pride events where mobile testing and awareness is available.

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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2010, 12:17:23 AM »
Whatever the headline means, it ain't in English. It is the time of year to release the stats, and I expect we will have more bad grammar, bad counting and unfounded generalisations.

This report is based on an analysis of "men who have sex with men" in 21 cities in the US, with additional analysis by ethnicity, income and educational achievement. The CDC tables summarising the data, with 95% confidence intervals, are here:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5937a2.htm?s_cid=mm5937a2_w#tab1.

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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2010, 03:58:41 PM »
The study is from 2008.  The infection rate is almost certainly higher at this moment.  Does anyone know where we can find an explanation of the methodology used?
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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2010, 04:55:07 PM »
It's pretty much explained in the CDC report.
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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2010, 05:50:46 PM »
I often hear that between Geneva and Montreux it's 1 in 6 so the number for Atlanta doesn't seem high. But I dunno how the epidemiologists come up with these numbers.
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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2010, 07:52:17 PM »
I saw a profile that said "know your status!" and then at the bottom where status was listed...it said "don't know."  I laugh everytime I see that one...
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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2010, 10:34:52 PM »
I saw a profile that said "know your status!" and then at the bottom where status was listed...it said "don't know."  I laugh everytime I see that one...

Uh oh,  Are you going back to check all the  time because you want to see if they have figured it out yet,  or is there something else that is catching your eye?? ;D

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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2010, 03:34:40 AM »
It's pretty much explained in the CDC report.

Thanks, I would have pulled the link earlier but I started reading the thread from my cell phone.  After reading about how the survey was conducted, 19% seems a gross underestimate of the infection rate of the population surveyed.

Would it be correct to summarize their testing methods as randomly approaching men at gay bars, asking them a series of questions about their sexual behavior, providing them with "informed consent" about the test they were about to undergo, getting less than half the men they approach to agree to the test, testing them and then calling THAT the rate of infection?

Wouldn't this process filter out a disproportionate percentage of people who already knew their status to be positive?  "Anonymous" or not, I imagine that a significant number of us are unlikely to willingly donate our blood and saliva to be tested at the gay bar, especially if we perceive our status as likely to result in a form of persecution.  The number is certainly in line with the numbers we've seen in these studies in the past, but it almost has to be a grotesque underestimation of the infection rate of "men going to bars, clubs, organizations, and street locations").
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Re: 44% of Gay, Bisexual men with HIV don't know it
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2010, 04:18:38 AM »
Quote
Would it be correct to summarize their testing methods as randomly approaching men at gay bars, asking them a series of questions about their sexual behavior, providing them with "informed consent" about the test they were about to undergo, getting less than half the men they approach to agree to the test, testing them and then calling THAT the rate of infection?

Yep, pretty much.
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