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Offline 1228GUY

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HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« on: September 06, 2010, 11:43:34 PM »
Does anyone know if colon cleansing is not advised for someone who is POZ?

TMI here: I just feel like I'm really backed up in my tracks and if I have gas it smells like death and I feel so bloated even if I eat some small amount of food....  I think I need to have my colon washed but don't know if it would be advised against doing so......

Any thoughts???
« Last Edit: September 06, 2010, 11:47:36 PM by 1228GUY »
12.28.09 - Rcvd call I should test
12.29.09 - Confirmed
01.19.10 - VL 30015  CD4 172
03.18.10 - VL 1627    CD4 193
04.15.10 - VL 965      CD4 248
07.09.10 - VL 227      CD4 233 (19%)
08.12.10 - VL 99        CD4 280 (18%)
12.03.19 - VL 79        CD4 262 (21%)
02.09.11 - VL 90        CD4 376 (19%)
05.20.11 - VL 106      CD4 196 (25%)
06.23.11 - VL 82        CD4 289
08.05.11 - VL UD       CD4 286
11.04.11 - VL 54        CD4 305
03.02.12 - VL UD       CD4 523
04.30.12 - VL 74
08.12.12 - VL 153      CD4 353
11.15.12 - VL 43        CD4 443
01.11.13 - VL 39       
03.29.12 - VL UD        CD4 640
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Truvada.Norvir.Prezista - Serostim HGH

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2010, 11:56:05 PM »
Well I wouldn't want to  ask why you want to do this if you don't need to, but you flush out everything when you have a colonoscopy  and there are not problems.

Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2010, 11:59:30 PM »
Ah, a devotee of what is also known as "Pamper Diana Day" after Diana, Princess of Wales aka Lady DieDie.  AFAIK there is no medical consensus on the value of a fabulous gin and colonic, so your question is probably a non-starter.

Otherwise you're newly diagnosed with a low-ish t-cell count meaning HIV has flourished for years in your digestive tract.  It will probably settle down at some point, but if you're on Truvada as I suspect then that's most likely the cause of bloating, gas and turds that smell like they came out of a Parade of Corpsesô (any semblance to a fellow forum member is purely coincidental on that count).  I take a daily pancreatic enzyme called Pancrecarb to kill the bloating and farts, but I seem to be the only person on these fair fora, though it is under the direction of my consulting HIV specialist.  Some people take Beano or whatever that more plebeian concoction is called.

I hope you don't mind me saying so, but reading between the lines it sounds like you're already convinced that you need to irrigate your bowels, so may I ask if you've done this previous to your HIV diagnosis?
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Offline 1228GUY

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2010, 12:00:33 AM »
Well I just really feel backed up and I know that not everything is coming out when I have a bowel movement I KNOW that I'm backed up and there is SHIT literally up there..... I want to have a clean colon!!!!
12.28.09 - Rcvd call I should test
12.29.09 - Confirmed
01.19.10 - VL 30015  CD4 172
03.18.10 - VL 1627    CD4 193
04.15.10 - VL 965      CD4 248
07.09.10 - VL 227      CD4 233 (19%)
08.12.10 - VL 99        CD4 280 (18%)
12.03.19 - VL 79        CD4 262 (21%)
02.09.11 - VL 90        CD4 376 (19%)
05.20.11 - VL 106      CD4 196 (25%)
06.23.11 - VL 82        CD4 289
08.05.11 - VL UD       CD4 286
11.04.11 - VL 54        CD4 305
03.02.12 - VL UD       CD4 523
04.30.12 - VL 74
08.12.12 - VL 153      CD4 353
11.15.12 - VL 43        CD4 443
01.11.13 - VL 39       
03.29.12 - VL UD        CD4 640
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2010, 12:03:05 AM »
Well I just really feel backed up and I know that not everything is coming out when I have a bowel movement I KNOW that I'm backed up and there is SHIT literally up there..... I want to have a clean colon!!!!

People tend to become very obsessive when they're constipated... feisty even.  My father gets this way.  If you're constipated go take an OTC for it, I don't see why you are convinced you need to pour Niagara Falls backwards through the Lincoln Tunnel.
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Offline 1228GUY

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2010, 12:06:41 AM »
I hope you don't mind me saying so, but reading between the lines it sounds like you're already convinced that you need to irrigate your bowels, so may I ask if you've done this previous to your HIV diagnosis?

I've had a colonic irrigation once about 10 years ago when I joined the military.....  and in the past weeks I've been really thinking I need one....well.... I'm convinced I need it!!!
12.28.09 - Rcvd call I should test
12.29.09 - Confirmed
01.19.10 - VL 30015  CD4 172
03.18.10 - VL 1627    CD4 193
04.15.10 - VL 965      CD4 248
07.09.10 - VL 227      CD4 233 (19%)
08.12.10 - VL 99        CD4 280 (18%)
12.03.19 - VL 79        CD4 262 (21%)
02.09.11 - VL 90        CD4 376 (19%)
05.20.11 - VL 106      CD4 196 (25%)
06.23.11 - VL 82        CD4 289
08.05.11 - VL UD       CD4 286
11.04.11 - VL 54        CD4 305
03.02.12 - VL UD       CD4 523
04.30.12 - VL 74
08.12.12 - VL 153      CD4 353
11.15.12 - VL 43        CD4 443
01.11.13 - VL 39       
03.29.12 - VL UD        CD4 640
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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2010, 12:09:46 AM »
Fibre dear heart. Get some roughage in yer diet.

That usually unclogs the pipes. :)

Colonic irrigation doesn't address the underlying issue and can be deleterious to your health.

MtD

Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2010, 12:10:49 AM »
I've had a colonic irrigation once about 10 years ago when I joined the military.

Is that standard practice for entering the military or was this just meant to wash out all of the gay semen up in there as part of Don't Ask Don't Smell?
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Offline 1228GUY

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2010, 12:33:16 AM »
Is that standard practice for entering the military or was this just meant to wash out all of the gay semen up in there as part of Don't Ask Don't Smell?

OMG I never thought about that!!! I bet they wanted to see how much cum would flush out!!!  No wonder it made no sense at the time when they were doing it!!!  I couldn't understand it but now I do!!!!  LOL

No, I think it was standard!!!
12.28.09 - Rcvd call I should test
12.29.09 - Confirmed
01.19.10 - VL 30015  CD4 172
03.18.10 - VL 1627    CD4 193
04.15.10 - VL 965      CD4 248
07.09.10 - VL 227      CD4 233 (19%)
08.12.10 - VL 99        CD4 280 (18%)
12.03.19 - VL 79        CD4 262 (21%)
02.09.11 - VL 90        CD4 376 (19%)
05.20.11 - VL 106      CD4 196 (25%)
06.23.11 - VL 82        CD4 289
08.05.11 - VL UD       CD4 286
11.04.11 - VL 54        CD4 305
03.02.12 - VL UD       CD4 523
04.30.12 - VL 74
08.12.12 - VL 153      CD4 353
11.15.12 - VL 43        CD4 443
01.11.13 - VL 39       
03.29.12 - VL UD        CD4 640
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Truvada.Norvir.Prezista - Serostim HGH

Offline 1228GUY

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2010, 12:34:53 AM »
Fibre dear heart. Get some roughage in yer diet.

That usually unclogs the pipes. :)

Colonic irrigation doesn't address the underlying issue and can be deleterious to your health.

MtD

I just want to get rid of this bloated gut and not have my bowel movements and gas smell like something crawled up inside of me and died a 1,000 years ago!!!!! 
12.28.09 - Rcvd call I should test
12.29.09 - Confirmed
01.19.10 - VL 30015  CD4 172
03.18.10 - VL 1627    CD4 193
04.15.10 - VL 965      CD4 248
07.09.10 - VL 227      CD4 233 (19%)
08.12.10 - VL 99        CD4 280 (18%)
12.03.19 - VL 79        CD4 262 (21%)
02.09.11 - VL 90        CD4 376 (19%)
05.20.11 - VL 106      CD4 196 (25%)
06.23.11 - VL 82        CD4 289
08.05.11 - VL UD       CD4 286
11.04.11 - VL 54        CD4 305
03.02.12 - VL UD       CD4 523
04.30.12 - VL 74
08.12.12 - VL 153      CD4 353
11.15.12 - VL 43        CD4 443
01.11.13 - VL 39       
03.29.12 - VL UD        CD4 640
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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2010, 12:51:08 AM »
I just want to get rid of this bloated gut and not have my bowel movements and gas smell like something crawled up inside of me and died a 1,000 years ago!!!!! 

What, up until now you've been shitting rose petals is that it?

MtD

Offline littleprince

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2010, 03:29:30 AM »
Quote
I've had a colonic irrigation once about 10 years ago when I joined the military.....  and in the past weeks I've been really thinking I need one....well.... I'm convinced I need it!!!


Hmm... was it a Dr in the army or just your room mate who gave you the flush? Or does this come under don't ask, don't tell?

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2010, 09:29:17 AM »
Fibre dear heart. Get some roughage in yer diet.

That usually unclogs the pipes. :)

Colonic irrigation doesn't address the underlying issue and can be deleterious to your health.

MtD

I agree.  How about trying this out for two weeks: eat all whole grains, (brown rice, barley, truly whole wheat bread etc) and lots of fruits and vegetables.  Concentrate on things like kale, dandelion greens, bananas, figs, raspberries etc.  During this time eat no white rice, white bread, noodles etc. and very little sugar.  At the same time drink lots of water.  I would be very surprised if it did not make a significant improvement.  If after two weeks of this you were still having the same problems, that would indicate that the problems went deeper than diet and required, perhaps, some stronger solution. 
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Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
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Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
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May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
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Offline Nashvegas

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2010, 11:02:28 PM »
Hey 1228guy -

Have you been checked out for intestinal parasites?  They can definitely cause bloating and smelly loose stools.   
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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2010, 12:46:30 AM »




Nestor thanks very much for your advice to 1228GUY most people here joke when
someone is in need of help,they don't knew if the person was about to get sucide
with this virus they keep on given jokes advice.
 
Anyway 1228GUY you can use (mutilim-M 10mg, Nexium 40mg )gas and bloating or
you can take any thing to detox yourself.i also agree with Nestor advice i think natural
yogurt can help as well am on it right now.
27/12/07 cd4 20 vl 1million
10/4 /08 cd4 86 vl 63
1/7/08  cd4 186 vl undetectable
16/10/08 cd4 196 vl undet
23/1/09 cd4 248 vl un
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
13/12/11 cd4 410 vl undet 23%
24/2/12 cd4 545 vl undet 26%
on 22/2/12 change truvada to Recovir-EM
due to no stock on Truvada.
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
7/7/12 cd4 359 vl <40 22%
23/8/12 cd4 400 vl <40 23%,
testosterone test 7.5 ng/ml and
thyroid (TSH)1.32 ulu/ml creatinine.eGFR blck 1.5 all fasting test morning.
13/12/2012 cd4 523 24% vl <40
18/3/2013 cd4  513  23% vl <40
regimen ATRIPLA
03/8/2013 cd4 429 22% vl <40
13/11/2013 cd4 455 23% vl <40
Anti-HBs test (quantitative ) Anti-HBs positive
Titer 16.95 mlu/ml <10.00
22/3/14 cd4 396 vl <40 24%
24/7/14 change to Teevir
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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2010, 12:57:57 AM »
Nestor thanks very much for your advice to 1228GUY most people here joke when
someone is in need of help,they don't knew if the person was about to get sucide
with this virus they keep on given jokes advice.
 
Anyway 1228GUY you can use (mutilim-M 10mg, Nexium 40mg )gas and bloating or
you can take any thing to detox yourself.i also agree with Nestor advice i think natural
yogurt can help as well am on it right now.

Pretty rotten comment from you San. We've tried to help you on numerous occasions and this is how you treat us?

MtD

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2010, 01:07:39 AM »
Hey 1228guy,

I think the question is, should you do the colon cleanse? I agree with Matty, it may not do what you think it will and may mask something more serious.

The suggestions about more fiber are spot on. You want a healthy BM? Give your body something with which to work.

Philly may have hit on it as well. Truvada is well known for causing gas that would stop time, bend space and make paint peel.

I know, I take it.  :o

Mind you, I like a clean colon as much as the next guy (memories of a certain bathhouse in L.A. and its communal douche nozzles come to mind ), but I think I would try the other suggestions first,

Just out of curiosity, what does your doctor say about your desire to let loose the floodgates?

HUGS,

Mark
« Last Edit: September 08, 2010, 01:10:44 AM by aztecan »
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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2010, 01:40:21 AM »



matty, please i due give you respect but what i  meant is to others to take
precaution when talking.i have seen many words here using in times of advicing
but i found it rude .some people here may find it difficult to cantact there ID dr
on phone, the only way for them is to threw the question to the forum here and for
advices .so matty don't misunderstood me i love you guys.
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23/1/09 cd4 248 vl un
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
13/12/11 cd4 410 vl undet 23%
24/2/12 cd4 545 vl undet 26%
on 22/2/12 change truvada to Recovir-EM
due to no stock on Truvada.
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
7/7/12 cd4 359 vl <40 22%
23/8/12 cd4 400 vl <40 23%,
testosterone test 7.5 ng/ml and
thyroid (TSH)1.32 ulu/ml creatinine.eGFR blck 1.5 all fasting test morning.
13/12/2012 cd4 523 24% vl <40
18/3/2013 cd4  513  23% vl <40
regimen ATRIPLA
03/8/2013 cd4 429 22% vl <40
13/11/2013 cd4 455 23% vl <40
Anti-HBs test (quantitative ) Anti-HBs positive
Titer 16.95 mlu/ml <10.00
22/3/14 cd4 396 vl <40 24%
24/7/14 change to Teevir
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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2010, 01:52:04 AM »
Sorry, Sanitex, Matty knows his shit on this. He has forgotten more about HIV and the body than either of us is likely to ever know.

Please try and grow a thicker skin, and let yourself gather the education on these forums that you claim to need.
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Offline eric48

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2010, 05:18:29 PM »
Easy. (avoid if you have health issues with that part of your body)

In bathtub, adjust water temp on hand shower. turn off water. Unscrew the hand part (the pan handle). Press tubing gently against back door.
turn on water slowly, let it fill you. Avoid pressure build up. You'll evacuate soon enough. You way want to stay close to toilets for an hour or two.

You may rather do several small volume attempts than a big one

After a few attempts you will master the pressure/timing/volume, etc

Works fine with me. Avoid doing often (I avoid it unless truly necessary)

Study the underlying cause (not enough fiber, may be?) Fibercon and other over the counter stuff may help you

Experiment to find out what works for you in order to resort to the flushing technique as few times as possible. Experiment: Fibercon works on me. Yogurt does the opposite (constipation). depends on people, I suppose

But, as far as I am concerned, when I feel I need relief (gaz, pain, bad sleep...). I do it.

Make sure to clean/disinfect tubing before reassembly of shower

Some pharmacies and ... sex shops ... sell accessory that help introduce the tubing inside the Tunnel of Love.

I do not use... water pressure should be enough to open gate

Side note: it may be messy, but, also ... quite ... fun ;-)

Cheers

Eric
« Last Edit: September 08, 2010, 05:23:34 PM by eric48 »
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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2010, 05:25:25 PM »
And now I know why I always replace shower heads when I move into a new apartment.
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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2010, 05:34:50 PM »
My suggestion to remove the shower head is for newbies ...

Some people may be fine with inserting the whole thing...

Do you change the shower head for... a bigger one ? (just kidding)
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Offline 1228GUY

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2010, 09:43:56 PM »
Ahhhh thanks guys for giving me a good laugh along with serious advice.....

Will try to address everyone's comments...

Diet Comments/Advice:  Will start following that kind of diet and see if it improves 
                                   have also started exercising so im sure that will help.

My colonic wash 10 years ago was done by a roommate but he said that he was instructed to do so because it was part of a physical.... I guess now I know it was not true!!!!

Well I never shit rose petals, it was more like Gardenia scented!!!! 

I've done the shower tube up the love tunnel but I guess i've turned into a clean freak that obviously i do it anytime a penis, fingers or tongue will go up there or I do it like everyother day because i dont like being backed up and I know just taking a dump does not clear everything out!!

I've not asked my ID Dr yet, have not had time but will email him tomorrow to see what he says.....

As a side note but unrelated to why i want to do this... im sure it will make my bloated belly go down and i wont have to suck my stomach so much when im out and about shirtless to not look like I have a belly!!!!  This is just a secondary thing that will come out of the colonic wash.... I SWEAR it's not why i want to do it....

But seriously!!!  it makes sense that one would want to do a colonic wash every so often to get rid of any fecal matter that does not empty out!!!!

Uggg the bathhouse here does not have a douche/love tunnel hose!!!  That would be gross to be sharing with others!!!!  PPL in L.A are weird!!!!


Jokes dont offend me just so y'all know... I'm past my suicide thoughts due to being POZ.... It will be a year in Dec 29 and I feel I've come a long way and am thankful for this forum and the ppl in here that take the time to read and respond even if it's joking around!  Amongst the jokes there is some good advice.....

 ;D

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Offline Hellraiser

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2010, 09:48:11 PM »
I've done the shower tube up the love tunnel but I guess i've turned into a clean freak that obviously i do it anytime a penis, fingers or tongue will go up there or I do it like everyother day because i dont like being backed up and I know just taking a dump does not clear everything out!!

Actually, the human body is pretty damn good at cleaning itself out.  There's absolutely no need to ever have a colonic in your lifetime.  You seem to feel it's necessary, as you mentioned earlier you do it fairly often (not just once ten years ago in the military with some random dude).  Should I link you some literature about why you shouldn't be trying to scrub your colon clean with water constantly?

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2010, 09:57:25 PM »
Are you just talking about a simple pre-butt fuck anal douche -- I don't think that's the same as a full colonic irrigation.  If it's just a simple douche then of course I've done that while HIV+.  I mean, my boys like a clean ride from a professional.
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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2010, 11:05:21 PM »

Uggg the bathhouse here does not have a douche/love tunnel hose!!!  That would be gross to be sharing with others!!!!  PPL in L.A are weird!!!!

 ;D


Oh honey, I doubt any of the tubs have them today. That was Mac's Baths, on Hyperion, in Los Angeles - and the last time I was there was 1983.

But, at the time, we thought it quite innovative. The hoses were in the showers, so you could douche and dash, so to speak.

That bathhouse was where I heard my first group discussion of AIDS, except it wasn't called that then. At the time, it was "Gay Cancer," was probably caused by poppers and needed a catalyst like syphilis or the clap or such to make a person sick.

Ah, the good old days, when we knew nothing, but were scared shitless (if the hoses in the showers didn't already do it for us.)

OHHHH, I used to have encounters there with the hottest Guatamalen!  ;D ;D ;D Boy Howdy, that man was hot in the sack, and the maze, and the orgy room, and the sling room, and the semi truck cab in the basement ..

. . . But, I digress.

HUGS,

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2010, 11:52:35 PM »
Actually, the human body is pretty damn good at cleaning itself out.  There's absolutely no need to ever have a colonic in your lifetime.  You seem to feel it's necessary, as you mentioned earlier you do it fairly often (not just once ten years ago in the military with some random dude).  Should I link you some literature about why you shouldn't be trying to scrub your colon clean with water constantly?

Well I just do a quick flush it's not like I spend more than 2 minutes doing so.... as a pre-butt fuck ritual, then yes, at least 5-7 minutes to ensure that it's clean because no one likes a messy ride!  It kills the mood!!!

The whole doing it 10 years ago with some random dude was a joke.  It was done by a Colon Hydrotherapist.... there were some jokes being thrown here and there if I was sure it was a professional or it was just some guy that said it needed to be done..... I would never let some untrained person other than myself do that.... ewwwww
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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2010, 12:41:49 AM »
What 19 year old goes to a Colon Hydrotherapist?
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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2010, 01:30:09 AM »
What 19 year old goes to a Colon Hydrotherapist?

A lucky 19 year old!!

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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2010, 11:02:51 AM »
Hey 1228guy -

Have you been checked out for intestinal parasites?  They can definitely cause bloating and smelly loose stools.   

Actually I read some studies that showed that intestinal parasites, hook worms, "Helminthics" etc can affect HIV disease progression and that "deworming" had a significant impact on outcomes. The study was in Africa however so it may be less of a concern for those of your in developed countries HOWEVER there are certain activities (one in particular I can think of) that gay men engage in that may make them susceptible to helminthic infections (can anyone guess what it is?).

Still it wouldn't hurt to consider since HIV seems to be turning out to be largely a GI disease. There are very simple and inexpensive medicines you can take that kill all of the various things that maybe living down there.

Here is the study and conclusion:

1) Helminthic infections induce a state of chronic immune activation and anergy. 2) Eradication of helminths by itself, (independent of changes in nutrition and environment), is followed by gradual return of the immune profile to normal values. 3) PBMC of ETI are more susceptible to HIV infection 4)) Deworming can be associated with significant decrease of VL in helminth and HIV coinfected individuals.
--http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1716992/
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Re: HIV and Colon Cleansing???
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2010, 06:57:55 PM »
in countries were such problem are rare, parasitic infection will show on standard blood work as the bugs make your Oesinophiles go out of range and would normally be spotted out easily (their normal range is below 3% in a person clean of parasites.)

You are right to point this out since while country of residence is important, it is imporant to remember that people travel...

Cheers

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