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Offline roma2010

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i hava a couple of questions please help
« on: August 28, 2010, 12:47:50 PM »
on may 5th i had sex with this girl and had a condom breakage, after a few weeks i started having all these crazy symptoms which i never had before, almost all of them are gone but only a few are still here a have multiple dermatofibromas on my back shoulders and arms, i have several white blotches in my skin and some raised spots as well, i have a lot GI issues, irregular bowel movements, nausea, weird looking stools, never hungry, get full real fast and burp a lot for no reason and i hear a lot of rumbling and it's been going on for over two months now, i have severe neurological problems my brain doesn't function as well i feel as if i was in a dream and i feel as if i had fog in my brain really spaced out all the time, i have an itch and tingles in my right eye and i have  an upper burning lip which i have had for like two months now, and i have a really thick white coat on my tongue and i can see the teeth marks on the side of it i also feel as if i had a hairball in my throat, i have several new moles and freckles in my face and arms, i have lost 10lbs since all this started, the dermatofibromas are multiple ones and i have read that this means you have an autoimmune condition such as hiv or lupus so far  i have tested negative two days before the 3 month mark with the oral swab, negative at the hospital with rapid blood test at aug 8th and negative at week 15 aug 20th wit the stat pak, i don't know if these are approved or for that matter really reliable i was told by a infectious disease specialist that to be sure of your status you need an elisa test at the 3 month mark well i haven't had that elisa the counselors that administered the rapid tests say that, that result is conclusive at 3 months , but the symptoms are still here specially the brain thing and dermatofibromas, im waiting on the results of an elisa and a PCR RNA which will be ready either monday or tuesday but i know that most likely they will be positive due to all these symptoms i have been feeling and that they were all triggered after the incident..

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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2010, 12:58:52 PM »
Roma,

You have reliably and conclusively tested hiv negative. You do not have hiv and your next round of test results will also be negative.

You were never likely to end up positive following a condom break (with you being the insertive partner) anyway. Not only is hiv much more difficult to transmit from a woman to a man, but you were protected up until the condom broke. I've yet to see the insertive partner end up positive following a condom break.

If you continue to feel unwell, see a doctor. It's nothing to do with hiv. You do not have hiv.

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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2010, 02:19:52 PM »
thanks for the quick response, another possible scenario i am bisexual and like a week after i was with this girl a had a 3some with two guys we gave each other blow jobs and they both penetrated me i know they had condoms on and i know this because i saw them putting them on and taking them off after we were done and this was a week after maybe like around may 10th or so i was with the girl again on may 29th but this time i put two condoms on which now i know is not recommended anyways when i was done i pulled out and i saw the semen in the condoms so i know it was protected but after i started getting sick i told this girl what was going on and she admitted she had been with another guy like a week before she was with me the second time meaning like around may 20th or so and she said she didn't know if the guy used a condom or not because it was dark, i told this to the counselor and he said that if she got infected a week or two before i was with her the second time that it could be possible to get infected even with a condom on(two condoms this time) because of the spike in the viral load.. anyways she got tested on july 21th negative which it would have been week 10 for her from the first time we were together and week seven from the second time we were together the guys tested too and were negative which i wasn't too concerned about to begin with because i have been with them before and i have know them for a while and i know they get tested very often plus even it was a 3 some it still was protected so my window period would cover all of these except the second time i was with the girl which was on may 29th my last test was on Aug 20th so that would be like a week before the 3 months even if in reality the only one time that i was concerned about was may 5th due to the condom breaking ...or would i be worried about something else i mean sex with a condom is protected sex as far as i know, i don't see anything saying otherwise as for oral sex with the guys i don't think it would be of great risk but what im more concerned about is that they all tested negative and went on with their lives they didn't do any more testing so there's no way for me to know if in fact one of them is infected, and i have been the only one with symptoms i have talked to all of them and they seem to be fine with no symptoms whatsoever, anyways any insight with be helpful, thank you as far as symptoms goes the dermatofibromas and the tongue are the things that worry me the most due to the fact the these are very hiv specific symptoms..

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2010, 02:40:58 PM »
Roma,

Your test on August 20th was one day short of twelve weeks. You are conclusively hiv negative.

None of the symptoms you're worrying about have anything to do with hiv. If you feel unwell, see a doctor. You are conclusively hiv negative, therefore whatever is going on with you has nothing to do with hiv.

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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2010, 12:36:12 PM »
just some update, i went to the clinic yesterday and they gave me the results of a test they did on aug 25th they did an elisa and western blot both came back negative, the counselor said that this is more than conclusive and definite she said you do not have hiv period and i told her about the second time i was with the girl with a condom on and she said if she was recently infected when you were with her the second time there could be some chance you could have gotten infected even with a condom on because of the spike in the virus,(but very unlikely she said) but she said this last test would have been positive if that was the case so she refused to do anymore testing because it would be a waste of resources she also said that according to her experience of ten years and the records of the clinic the vast vast majority of people will test positive at an average of 25 to 28 days and if your test is negative at 6 weeks it is very very unlikely to change, but she also said she could see all the skin problems and other stuff i have going on but it's nothing to do with hiv she said either go to your doctor or change doctor and tell him whats going on, she and other counselors at the clinic said whatever symptom you have going on it's nothing to do with hiv...so they told me to go back in a couple of months if i wanted to to take another test just for my peace of mind even though they said it was completely unnecessary, still waiting results of the PCR RNA the Dr. ordered ..

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Re: really scared please help please
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2010, 02:15:13 PM »
You're HIV negative. Period. End of story.

You can diddle daddle as much and for as long as you want to about the issue but the bottom line is you're HIV negative. You can search on the web and seek out more advice elsewhere and of course you will find nuggets of junk to feed your worst fears but we're not going to indulge you in that manner.

Again, you are HIV negative. And if you continue to return here with more drama about this then you are going to find yourself getting a Time Out from the site. Consider yourself warned.

HIV is not your issue. Period.
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Re: really scared please help please
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 03:52:21 PM »
hey i have a question please, i don't mean to be questioning your advise in any way but i didn't know there were different subtypes of hiv i thought it was only hiv 1 and 2 as it turns out there's subtypes which are more predominant in africa well as it turns out the girl i was with is from africa she is actually african american meaning she has two actual nationalities USA and another one from Africa i dunno which country in specific but i know she mentioned she visits her family in africa every couple years or so, now so far i have gotten done oraquick test twice, stat pak, pcr dna, elisa and western blot all negative, now will any of these test pick up these other weird strains or subtypes of hiv or do i have to ask for an specific hiv test that will pick these up, i just wanna make sure i can officially rule out hiv as my problem even though my persistent symptoms really suggest hiv..should i get a cd4 test done?

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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2010, 04:47:10 PM »
You don't need anymore testing for HIV. Just because someone has a partly African heritage and visits there from time to time doesn't mean they are HIV+.

You've reliably tested negative and you need to let this concern go.  Talking about possibly doing CD4 tests is frankly ridiculous. When HIV status is questionable the ONLY test to use is an HIV specific test. You've done that and have reliably tested negative. Stop searching the net because for sure you are going to find nonsense to feed your worst fears and all to no good purpose.

Cut it ouit and get on with your life.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2010, 12:03:46 AM »
i went to the clinic a few days ago and got another rapid test it was the finger prick hiv1/2 and came back negative this was at 18 weeks after possible exposure due to condom breakage, i also got the result of a PCR RNA hiv1 at 17 weeks and it was undetected, now the counselor said that whatever is happening with me as far as symptoms goes has nothing to do with hiv because im negative, then i was seen by an infectious disease specialist at the same clinic and told him my story how it happened and all the symptoms i had and have so far some are recurrent and some are new symptoms while he assured me that the test are reliable he started second guessing himself after i told him i have a tumor in my knee(told is benign) since 4 years ago and it's never bothered me up until a couple of months ago when this ordeal started i also told him i have been having chronic back problem in my upper back due to surgery 9 years ago and i have had pain ever since but it's gotten  a lot worse lately since this started, when i told him this he had a surprised look on he's face but didn't say anything and he said he was gonna ordered a second round of PCR RNA for both hiv1/2.. now the real question here is, is it possible that due to my previous health problems my body hasn't been able to mount up a good amount of detectable antibodies? i know that people treated with chemo, I.V. druggies and organ transplants fit this category but the infectious disease guy seem like he doubted it my results so far...and one more question is it possible to have an undetected amount of virus after 4 months of infection assuming that i would be infected because my first PCR RNA for hiv1 was undetected and it was done by COBAS Ampliprep qualification range of this assay is 48 to 10.000.00 copies so if i was infected with hiv1 is it possible to be undetected after 4 months with out any treatment .. i really hope you guys can shed some light on this it would be greatly appreciated

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Re: really scared please help please
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2010, 03:14:14 AM »
 You don't have HIV, you have a conclusive test result.

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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2010, 08:55:34 AM »
Roma,

Regardless of the doctor second-guessing himself, you don't have hiv. The tests have proved that conclusively.

If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: i hava a couple of questions please help
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2010, 04:21:21 PM »
i went to see an internist yesterday and to begin with he said that my tests so far as really encouraging but to be 100% sure i need to test again at six months, i could tell that he is aware of what the CDC says about the window period but he ordered an elisa en western blot anyway, we are talking about a very well respected Dr. here in Chicago who just told me i need to test again at 6 months which has bring my hiv fears back specially because i still have many unexplained symptoms, i will be getting these results by the end of the week or next monday, he also ordered a brain MRI to check for any infection and he ordered like 6 other tests because he said i have too many symptoms and at this point could really be anything including hiv and he does not wanna risk missing something life threatening(he didn't use those words exactly but i could tell that's what he was trying to say) he also said that antibodies test is the only one people should be really using for diagnostic because sometimes even newer PCR RNA test miss an infection even if they can detect as low as 48 copies,(is this true please answer) i really don't know how accurate this information is but that's what he said..so yeah i will let you know when i get my results of all the tests, and by the way this hiv test will be at 20 weeks which is 5 months if it comes back negative(which im hoping) what are the odds that will become positive by 6 months? which would be only 4 more weeks, hopefully very little to zero..

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2010, 04:49:03 PM »
You do not have HIV.

Even the CDC lowered the HIV testing window to three months. Years ago.

I am sorry you are having symptoms. The fever/rash associated with Acute Retroviral Syndrome does not linger. It lasts MAYBE a week or so, then disappears. At that point, a person will test positive BECAUSE that syndrome IS the body mounting a defense against the virus, which means producing antibodies.

That you continue to experience symptoms means they CAN NOT be associated with HIV. You have tested reliably negative for HIV.

The PCR RNA test is known to be prone to false POSITIVES. It is NOT recommended as a diagnostic test.

This forum cannot address your fixation on HIV. It simply was not meant for that therapeutic purpose. Please work with your doctor to find the REAL solution.

You do not have HIV.

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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2010, 05:13:37 PM »
It is most unfortunate and totally unnecessary in terms of HIV science that these professionals continue to feed your unfounded fears.

I will tell you can't keep coming back here with more worries and symptoms when it's very clear that the problem is not HIV. If you do that you will be at risk for getting a Time Out from the site. HIV is not your problem and there really isn't anymore we can do for you here.

Best of luck in getting your problems resolved in the proper professional setting.
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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2010, 05:39:06 PM »
thank's a lot for your quick response like i said earlier i will be getting my results later in the week or maybe next monday i will let you know what they are, as far as symptoms goes i have way too many to count and they started maybe like in early or mid june so yeah i figure it they were related to hiv i'm thinking tests would have been positive a while back and i have read too here and other websites that in the vast vast majority of new infections symptoms are not recurring they usually come and go in a week maybe a couple of weeks, but sometimes people get infected and may feel symptoms and general sickness throughout the course of the disease but this is rare most get ARS and then feel fine for a number of years, im no expert but its just what i have read, the reality is that there is a lot of misinformation in the internet and you read so many things and so many stories about people who think that got infected through oral sex others say they seroconverted after many many months sometimes even a year and to tell you the truth i have been reading a lot of forums here and at  thebody.com  for the last 3 months and the vast majority of people who are in the "living with hiv" or "just testes poz" forums do not have any idea when they got infected they just know that one day they felt sick and tested positive for hiv, so to sum up when dealing with many many unexplained symptoms after a risky encounter i think the best thing one can do is keep testing for hiv and whatever other disease the doctors think you may have, another thing i don't understand is why the cdc says 3 months is conclusive except when your partner is known to be hiv +..shouldn't the window period be the same regardless of the status of your partner?what about the people who have a risky situation with somebody who is hiv+ but don't know it? in this situation should it be 3 or 6 months? this is where it gets really tricky and confusing..please i don't mean to offend anybody or get anybody mad, i hope you guys are 100% right and hiv is not my problem, thanks you for your kind comments and your good luck wishes..

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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2010, 09:01:54 PM »
The period for testing is the same whether your partner is positive or not. 3 Months for a conclusive result.

Unfortunately you are so caught up with stuff in your head and misinterpreting anything that goes on with your body as yet another sign of HIV that you can't accept the simple fact that you have reliably tested negative for HIV. Period.

Do what you want to do. Any further HIV testing is a waste of resources and I wonder what it will take to convince you that HIV is not the issue.
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2010, 09:14:12 PM »
Can someone explain to me how is it that "Ranger" and "findingaway" both tested negative after the 3 month window period and then tested positive? are they in denial or are we just giving people the wrong information? i think that moderators should ask this guys to really clarify themselves or explain why they are saying this because a lot of people like myself are still struggling with that fact that i might be infected with hiv but have tested negative so far at the 5 month mark, but yet you find posts as this that clearly say that the window period is not 3 months ... i have nothing against Ranger or Findindaway but i wish you guys would really explain your situation...

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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2010, 09:43:13 PM »
Roma,

I removed the post you wrote in the I Just Tested Poz forum and placed it here, in your own thread. This is the ONLY thread in which you are permitted to talk about hiv.  If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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Those men did not test positive outside the window period. Neither ever mentioned being in a window period because they got regularly tested as a matter of course. Many gay men do what all people should do - test regularly when sexually active.

They had risks in between their tests. It's as simple as that.

And you, sir, are still hiv negative.

I'm giving you that time out you have been warned about. Do not attempt to create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned.

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