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Offline 1228GUY

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Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« on: August 25, 2010, 11:46:46 PM »
Are there any good links with data on POZ on POZ Bareback, regardless of Undetectable VL or not?  I know there are lots of information on "SuperBug" or "SuperInfection" but wanted to read something that's somewhat trust worthy?  Informative Websites not hook up sites :)
« Last Edit: August 26, 2010, 12:07:18 AM by 1228GUY »
12.28.09 - Rcvd call I should test
12.29.09 - Confirmed
01.19.10 - VL 30015  CD4 172
03.18.10 - VL 1627    CD4 193
04.15.10 - VL 965      CD4 248
07.09.10 - VL 227      CD4 233 (19%)
08.12.10 - VL 99        CD4 280 (18%)
12.03.19 - VL 79        CD4 262 (21%)
02.09.11 - VL 90        CD4 376 (19%)
05.20.11 - VL 106      CD4 196 (25%)
06.23.11 - VL 82        CD4 289
08.05.11 - VL UD       CD4 286
11.04.11 - VL 54        CD4 305
03.02.12 - VL UD       CD4 523
04.30.12 - VL 74
08.12.12 - VL 153      CD4 353
11.15.12 - VL 43        CD4 443
01.11.13 - VL 39       
03.29.12 - VL UD        CD4 640
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Truvada.Norvir.Prezista - Serostim HGH

Offline Rev. Moon

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2010, 11:55:51 PM »
Are there any good links with data on POZ on POZ Bareback, regardless of Undetectable VL or not?  I know there are lots of information on "SuperBug" or "SuperInfection" but wanted to read something that's somewhat trust worthy? 

What are you asking for?  A sex site for poz on poz bareback sex?  Studies on that mystery known as superinfection?
"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

Offline tednlou2

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2010, 12:03:06 AM »
I've always wondered if you could be infected once, why couldn't you be infected more than once.  Most believe it only happens soon after initial infection.  I've read everything from HIV being a hard virus to transmit anyway, so the chances of it happening twice are low to maybe people who progress very quickly are probably infected with more than one strain.  I will often read where it is hard to prove, because it would take expensive tests to confirm.    

I have no idea what is truth or fiction.  I know there are really smart people here who can give you all the research.  

Offline 1228GUY

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2010, 12:10:14 AM »
What are you asking for?  A sex site for poz on poz bareback sex?  Studies on that mystery known as superinfection?

Hi Rev Moon!  Cute Pic!!! :)

I edited my post.... informative websites is what I'm looking for not hook up sites :)

Tednlou! How have you been buddy!  It's been a long long time since I've been back here....
12.28.09 - Rcvd call I should test
12.29.09 - Confirmed
01.19.10 - VL 30015  CD4 172
03.18.10 - VL 1627    CD4 193
04.15.10 - VL 965      CD4 248
07.09.10 - VL 227      CD4 233 (19%)
08.12.10 - VL 99        CD4 280 (18%)
12.03.19 - VL 79        CD4 262 (21%)
02.09.11 - VL 90        CD4 376 (19%)
05.20.11 - VL 106      CD4 196 (25%)
06.23.11 - VL 82        CD4 289
08.05.11 - VL UD       CD4 286
11.04.11 - VL 54        CD4 305
03.02.12 - VL UD       CD4 523
04.30.12 - VL 74
08.12.12 - VL 153      CD4 353
11.15.12 - VL 43        CD4 443
01.11.13 - VL 39       
03.29.12 - VL UD        CD4 640
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Truvada.Norvir.Prezista - Serostim HGH

Offline Rev. Moon

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2010, 12:25:36 AM »
Hi Rev Moon!  Cute Pic!!! :)

I edited my post.... informative websites is what I'm looking for not hook up sites :)


Hi there. Long time no see. Hope all has been going well.

Good luck on finding anything reliable and substantial about superinfection.  I'm not going to call it a myth, but I have my reservations on that topic.
"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

Offline Nestor

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2010, 12:35:28 AM »
Hi,

This page has a whole list of articles: 

http://www.thebody.com/index/treat/superinfection.html

A few months ago there was a scare that I had gotten reinfected; it's still possible that I was but seems less likely now.  Anyway those articles (all of them!) are what I read at the time to try to make sense of what I thought had happened. 

The bottom line seems to be that there is a very small handful of documented cases of reinfection, and even in those cases the reinfection did not make a big difference in the long run.  In one case it actually helped the guy out, because he had had a strain with some resistances before, and the new strain did not have any resistances. 

I should point out that reinfection is not the only thing that could result from poz on poz bareback sex.  There are other creatures out there too, unfortunately. 
Summer 2004--became HIV+
Dec. 2005--found out

Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
Aug '11      677     22      21,000
Sept. '12    747     15      14,000

Offline jkinatl2

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2010, 12:36:34 AM »
Yeah, I agree. A simple AEGIS search would point you to first-tiered, peer reviewed articles about "superinfection." Frankly, I think that it might have happened to a dozen or so people in the history of the pandemic, if that. Like Newt (one of my scientific heroes) states, the odd one-off situation does nothing to change the scientific perspective or consensus.

Most of the Poz couples I know do not use condoms. And when Ihave been in a relationship with a POZ person, I surely didn't.
"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Offline tednlou2

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2010, 02:31:39 AM »
Hi Rev Moon!  Cute Pic!!! :)

I edited my post.... informative websites is what I'm looking for not hook up sites :)

Tednlou! How have you been buddy!  It's been a long long time since I've been back here....

I'm hangin in there.  Thanks for asking.  I hope all is well with you. 

About your post, I wish I had the minds of many members here.  So many of them seem to be able to read studies, digest it, and comprehend what it says.  When I read a study full of numbers, my mind starts to wonder. 

Offline john33

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2010, 06:29:46 AM »
I'm hangin in there.  Thanks for asking.  I hope all is well with you. 

About your post, I wish I had the minds of many members here.  So many of them seem to be able to read studies, digest it, and comprehend what it says.  When I read a study full of numbers, my mind starts to wonder. 

You mean I'm not the only one, i see a load of numbers and my eyes glaze over.

Come to think of it I have the same problrm with my bank account, this could explain a lot lol

Offline Nestor

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2010, 10:56:55 AM »
You mean I'm not the only one, i see a load of numbers and my eyes glaze over.

Come to think of it I have the same problrm with my bank account, this could explain a lot lol

Same here. 
Summer 2004--became HIV+
Dec. 2005--found out

Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
Aug '11      677     22      21,000
Sept. '12    747     15      14,000

Offline BJS2011

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2011, 07:03:56 AM »
I've always wondered if you could be infected once, why couldn't you be infected more than once.  Most believe it only happens soon after initial infection.  I've read everything from HIV being a hard virus to transmit anyway, so the chances of it happening twice are low to maybe people who progress very quickly are probably infected with more than one strain.  I will often read where it is hard to prove, because it would take expensive tests to confirm.    

I have no idea what is truth or fiction.  I know there are really smart people here who can give you all the research.  
If you get infected with another strain you become resistant to all drug combos not to mention all the other STD's. Did we not learn the first time where unprotected sex got us. If you want to die fast just keep not using a condom.

Offline mecch

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2011, 07:35:01 AM »
If you get infected with another strain you become resistant to all drug combos not to mention all the other STD's. Did we not learn the first time where unprotected sex got us. If you want to die fast just keep not using a condom.

Bullshit.  Didn't you read the above?  The long history says this doesn't happen.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2011, 10:23:53 AM »
If you get infected with another strain you become resistant to all drug combos not to mention all the other STD's. Did we not learn the first time where unprotected sex got us. If you want to die fast just keep not using a condom.

How frightening -- thanks for that info!
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Offline MarcoPoz

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2011, 11:12:18 AM »
I've heard guys say they use bareback.com and like it.  Just be careful of the other viral and bacterial cooties out there.  No need to add another STD to the stew, eh?  We're seeing more syphilis in HIV positive men where I live.  Probably a good thing to make sure you don't have an other STD and if you do, get it treated.  Also, probably a good thing to make sure that those who you bareback with don't have an STD--help them get tested and treated if needed.

Just my 2 cents.

Offline Joe K

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2011, 12:41:23 PM »
If you get infected with another strain you become resistant to all drug combos not to mention all the other STD's. Did we not learn the first time where unprotected sex got us. If you want to die fast just keep not using a condom.

You really should stop posting about things you obviously know nothing about.

Offline Bucko

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2011, 12:42:46 PM »
You will not find much of anything that speaks positively about unprotected sex between HIV infected partners because "responsible types" don't want to be seen encouraging the practice. And please don't get me started on the whole re/superinfection thing.

I have lived with the virus for 27 years (my AIDS is older than several members here  :D), and have not used a condom since 2006, over the course of hundreds of encounters. The only detriment to my well-being has been a few UTIs; maybe I'm just lucky: I'm certainly not made of steel.

We live with enough grief from the stigmas and other negative judgements from others; the last place it should be perpetuated is amongst our own kind.  
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Offline newt

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2011, 04:13:39 PM »
I can count 6 confirmed cases of superinfection (reinfection) and maybe 3 dozen possible (undecidable) cases, plus 5 confirmed cases of household transmission (ie from daily living) in the literature.

What you gonna worry about?

Obviously, shagging around has additional risks, but there you go.

The key thing here is the likelihood of transmission and difference between two people's types of HIV. Both people on treatment, transmission of a 2nd set of HIV seems so very, very unlikely (I hate to say 0 chance, but it's close). People off treatment, transmission in any case is unlikely without additional factors (like an STI). If you have the same HIV as the other person then it ain't gonna matter. You can't drink a glass of water twice eh?

Medscape did a good review a few year's back, perhaps definitive, see here: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/504811_2

Choose wisely and enjoy  :-)

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« Last Edit: June 22, 2011, 04:16:32 PM by newt »
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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2011, 11:37:25 PM »
Well i know of a couple guys that setup bareback gangbangs every weekend,which he has done  for yours and is still UD and has a higher CD4 than i do.  go figure.   
11/02/2010  cd4-251, vl-591000
12/09/2010  started Atripla
02/18/2011  cd4-425, vl-800
06/10/2011  cd4-447, vl-70
10/10/2011  cd4-666, vl-80
01/05/2012  swiched med (prezista,norvir ,isentress, )
02/10/2012  cd4-733, vl-UD  Viread removed
06/10/2012  cd4-614, vl-UD
12/14/2012  cd4-764, vl-UD
09/01/2013  cd4-785, vl-UD
03/06/2014. cd4- 1078, VL-UD
09/05/2014  cd4-850 , VL-UD

Offline Ac75088

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2011, 02:03:28 AM »
I've heard guys say they use bareback.com and like it.  Just be careful of the other viral and bacterial cooties out there.  No need to add another STD to the stew, eh?  We're seeing more syphilis in HIV positive men where I live.  Probably a good thing to make sure you don't have an other STD and if you do, get it treated.  Also, probably a good thing to make sure that those who you bareback with don't have an STD--help them get tested and treated if needed.

Just my 2 cents.


I was hospitalized recently because of a bad syphilis infection that normal antibiotics would not take care of..Just be careful out there..There are other bugs even more nasty than HIV that I worry about now
01-12-08 Tested poz cd4 700 vl 8,000
04-25-11 Lowest cd4 count of 415 vl high at 250,000
05-03-11 Started Atripla
05-16-11 Hospitalized and treated for 2 weeks (neurosyphilis)
07-05-11 CD4 count 585 VL 550
10-04-11 CD4 count 700 VL 75
02-03-12 CD4 count 799 VL UD
08-08-12 CD4 count 838 VL UD

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2011, 05:59:21 PM »
Indeed, well said, choose wisely. But do what you judge is right. People make different decisions in this situation, some sane, some self-justifying. It's a world of difference shagging around to being intimate with your one true love (current or future).

- matt
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Offline drewm

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2011, 06:21:03 PM »
I was hospitalized recently because of a bad syphilis infection that normal antibiotics would not take care of..Just be careful out there..There are other bugs even more nasty than HIV that I worry about now

Well said...
Diagnosed in  May of 2010 with teh AIDS.

PCP Pneumonia . CD4 8 . VL 500,000

ATRIPLA - VALTREX -  FLUOXETINE - FENOFIBRATE


Numbers consistent since 12/2010 - VL has remained undetectable and CD4 is anywhere from 275-325

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2011, 06:28:22 PM »
Well i know of a couple guys that setup bareback gangbangs every weekend,which he has done  for yours and is still UD and has a higher CD4 than i do.  go figure.   

What kind of people are you hanging around Mikey?

Offline David_CA

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2011, 07:03:50 AM »
Wouldn't being on meds also be like PEP and PREP together in terms of re-infection?  I also don't use condoms with other HIV+ guys, but I request a full STD screening every other blood-draw or so.
Black Friday 03-03-2006
03-23-06 CD4 359 @27.4% VL 75,938
06-01-06 CD4 462 @24.3% VL > 100,000
08-15-06 CD4 388 @22.8% VL >  "
10-21-06 CD4 285 @21.9% VL >  "
  Atripla started 12-01-2006
01-08-07 CD4 429 @26.8% VL 1872!
05-08-07 CD4 478 @28.1% VL 740
08-03-07 CD4 509 @31.8% VL 370
11-06-07 CD4 570 @30.0% VL 140
02-21-08 CD4 648 @32.4% VL 600
05-19-08 CD4 695 @33.1% VL < 48 undetectable!
08-21-08 CD4 725 @34.5%
11-11-08 CD4 672 @39.5%
02-11-09 CD4 773 @36.8%
05-11-09 CD4 615 @36.2%
08-19-09 CD4 770 @38.5%
11-19-09 CD4 944 @33.7%
02-17-10 CD4 678 @39.9%  
06-03-10 CD4 768 @34.9%
09-21-10 CD4 685 @40.3%
01-10-11 CD4 908 @36.3%
05-23-11 CD4 846 @36.8% VL 80
02-13-12 CD4 911 @41.4% VL<20
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Offline mikeyb39

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2011, 09:06:43 AM »
hi bug,
i'm not hanging with these guys, I just know of them.  unfortunately for myself i'm not that sexually open, sometimes i wish that I was.  I have too many hang-ups,
11/02/2010  cd4-251, vl-591000
12/09/2010  started Atripla
02/18/2011  cd4-425, vl-800
06/10/2011  cd4-447, vl-70
10/10/2011  cd4-666, vl-80
01/05/2012  swiched med (prezista,norvir ,isentress, )
02/10/2012  cd4-733, vl-UD  Viread removed
06/10/2012  cd4-614, vl-UD
12/14/2012  cd4-764, vl-UD
09/01/2013  cd4-785, vl-UD
03/06/2014. cd4- 1078, VL-UD
09/05/2014  cd4-850 , VL-UD

Offline David_CA

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2011, 10:01:15 AM »
hi bug,
i'm not hanging with these guys, I just know of them.  unfortunately for myself i'm not that sexually open, sometimes i wish that I was.  I have too many hang-ups,
In that case, why not send us their contact info?   ;)
Black Friday 03-03-2006
03-23-06 CD4 359 @27.4% VL 75,938
06-01-06 CD4 462 @24.3% VL > 100,000
08-15-06 CD4 388 @22.8% VL >  "
10-21-06 CD4 285 @21.9% VL >  "
  Atripla started 12-01-2006
01-08-07 CD4 429 @26.8% VL 1872!
05-08-07 CD4 478 @28.1% VL 740
08-03-07 CD4 509 @31.8% VL 370
11-06-07 CD4 570 @30.0% VL 140
02-21-08 CD4 648 @32.4% VL 600
05-19-08 CD4 695 @33.1% VL < 48 undetectable!
08-21-08 CD4 725 @34.5%
11-11-08 CD4 672 @39.5%
02-11-09 CD4 773 @36.8%
05-11-09 CD4 615 @36.2%
08-19-09 CD4 770 @38.5%
11-19-09 CD4 944 @33.7%
02-17-10 CD4 678 @39.9%  
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Offline buginme2

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Re: Good Links on POZ on POZ Bareback?
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2011, 01:22:22 PM »
hi bug,
i'm not hanging with these guys, I just know of them.  unfortunately for myself i'm not that sexually open, sometimes i wish that I was.  I have too many hang-ups,

I was just joking.   I think now that I already got the coodies I might as well live out some boom boom.

 


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