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Author Topic: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado  (Read 8454 times)

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Offline Catman

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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2010, 10:24:21 PM »
I checked my eggs and choked my chicken just to be safe .

LMAO! :D But i guess I'd better check those eggs at the supermarket because I think we do get those Farm Fresh eggs shipped to Puerto Rico. We do have island fresh eggs but the American eggs are bigger...and I like them BIG! ;)
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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2010, 10:44:57 PM »
I was appalled when I found out that kind of thing goes on there , very disturbing .

I did get drunk one night in Puckett and pay to see a young lady shove a bird up her pussy but the joke was on me , the bird girl wasn't available so we had to settle for a girl and a clever gold fish trick .

All in all bargain entertainment for around five bucks .

 

Still wanna see the bird trick?  For you I'll only charge 3 bucks.

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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2010, 10:49:10 PM »
Still wanna see the bird trick?  For you I'll only charge 3 bucks.

oh, coool. So your doing some side shows when you get time off from the the Circus?

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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #53 on: August 21, 2010, 09:24:38 AM »
Still wanna see the bird trick?  For you I'll only charge 3 bucks.

I will be glad to pay the five bucks but you have to let me use my special bird for the trick .

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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #54 on: August 21, 2010, 12:43:58 PM »
ick, I'm not sure I could eat goose eggs, or even quail eggs. I remember my grandmother telling me about how they ate Turkey eggs and how they were so big. I'm sure eggs other than a chicken egg are jsut fine, I think I'm just mentally conditioned to believe that an "egg" should only come from a chicken. Perhaps ill put that on the list of things to discuss with my psychotherapist.

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Our language does that: we say "egg" and "wine" because we simply assume the "chicken" and "grape" part.  In Chinese they say "chicken egg" and "grape wine" because they are more accustomed to other kinds.  On the other hand they simply say "meat" to mean pork, since it is so overwhelmingly the norm.  Every other kind of meat needs to be specified: cow meat, chicken meat etc. 

I remember my first time having a duck egg--not as dramatically different from chicken egg as I'd hoped.  But I love quail eggs and when I entertain in spring I often put a lot of them, just boiled in their beautiful shells, in a nice little nest on the table.  Almost everyone thinks it's just decoration until I tell them otherwise....

Speaking of China and eggs, has anyone had those wonderful preserved ones with gelatinous black "white" and creamy, grey/blue yolk?  Delicious with some good vinegar! 
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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2010, 12:49:13 PM »
Speaking of China and eggs, has anyone had those wonderful preserved ones with gelatinous black "white" and creamy, grey/blue yolk?  Delicious with some good vinegar! 

by "preserved" dont you mean the eggs that sit around for 20 years? I think ive heard of those, and Im sure I would have projectile vomitting occuring if I was forced to sit down and eat one. If my egg is not shot out of an ass of a chicken within the previous 30 days it doesnt cross my lips.

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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2010, 01:05:40 PM »
That's it!  You can real all about them and see a picture here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_egg
 
I love them!  But for normal fresh eggs, of course I agree--the fresher the better.  

Edited to add--this is a beautiful picture: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Arranged_century_egg_on_a_plate.jpg

But they should have a mixture of rice wine vinegar, soy sauce, and scallions drizzled over them.  Ginger also goes well. 
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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #57 on: August 21, 2010, 01:09:22 PM »
Don't forget those vile pickled eggs sitting in a musty huge jar in English pubs.  Is that why everyone's always vomiting out on the street when the pub closes?
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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #58 on: August 21, 2010, 01:18:37 PM »
The iron skillet dish with the eggs and meat looked gross to me but this quinoa one looks delectable.


Whether the iron skillet dish looks gross or great to me, would depend on the gravy.  I love eggs, bacon or scrapple, and biscuits, so as long as the gravy is good I'd enjoy the dish. 

But how did I miss the mention of quinoa?  I love it!  Here's a recipe I love: 

Sautee a lot of onions, leeks, garlic and hot peppers in olive oil or butter.  Add quinoa and a lot of good chicken or beef broth.  Barely simmer for around two hours.  An hour in, add lots of potatoes.  Just before serving, stir in chopped parsley and cilantro, sour cream, and cream cheese.  That's it!  No eggs in this recipe, but I'm sure a poached egg or two on top would be good. 

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I spend the extra few cents and always buy cage-free, free-range eggs, usually organic, where the hens were not fed a diet of crap. Most eggs sold in the US come from chickens that are fed hormones, are tortured and live in filthy conditions. It's a sad situation for the animals and potentially dangerous for those who eventually eat those eggs, a perfect breeding ground for salmonella and other pathogens. If you saw one of these large scale commercial egg operations you might not want to eat those eggs again.

Absolutely.  And in addition, the eggs of truly free-range hens are so much more delicious!  My father used to scoff at these things until I gave him supermarket eggs and the eggs from my Amish farmer, side by side.  Wow! 

I would actually like to abstain from all meat that came from factory or caged animals, but that would mean not eating in restaurants and I just can't get to that point yet.
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Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2010, 03:56:57 PM »
Don't forget those vile pickled eggs sitting in a musty huge jar in English pubs.  Is that why everyone's always vomiting out on the street when the pub closes?

They would have been a nice snack for you as you took your horse drawn hackney carriage from one pub to another. ::)
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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2010, 03:57:18 PM »

But how did I miss the mention of quinoa?  I love it!  Here's a recipe I love: 

Sautee a lot of onions, leeks, garlic and hot peppers in olive oil or butter.  Add quinoa and a lot of good chicken or beef broth.  Barely simmer for around two hours.  An hour in, add lots of potatoes.  Just before serving, stir in chopped parsley and cilantro, sour cream, and cream cheese.  That's it!  No eggs in this recipe, but I'm sure a poached egg or two on top would be good. 

 

Thanks, I'll have to try that  ;)


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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #61 on: August 21, 2010, 04:44:20 PM »
All the more reason to look for a locally laid egg, if possible?

I was in the supermarket today (in Switzerland) and the same thing that happened years ago in US is happening hear - everything imported from the cheapest source and not many people complaining because it keeps the price low.

But also, conversely, in the US, "local" produce has been coming up for many years now. I know you can go to a farmer's market in many cities and get local veges and stuff.  I'm not saying that local always mean safer, but it is alarming that 2 "farms" in Iowa managed to ship 500 million eggs in a couple of months.  Half a BILLION.  I also see, in the US and here in Switzerland too, that supermarkets have to put the origin of food on the price label.  You can see if the apple was grown in your state, or Chile, for example.

Here in Switzerland, the two big supermarket stores resisted buying cheap until about 5 years ago. Now, in Switzerland, you can get a full range of eggs - Swiss bio eggs, Swiss free range open air farm eggs (but not bio), luxury open air French eggs, factory French, and factory German eggs.  You can go to the farmer's market but a local farmer's egg costs 75 cents or even a buck. Thats too expensive. I buy them for a treat, when I want a hard boiled egg pretty simple, on a open sandwich or a salad.  I guess nobody is going to make cookies with eggs that are 12 bucks a dozen!

Today, I couldn't find one real farm grown open field Swiss tomato in the big supermarket. Its mid August.  You go to the farmer's market and there are piles and tables of Swiss farm tomatos, and they are cheap!  Why can't the supermarket manage to buy these and sell them?  Why isn't there a single bell pepper from the Swiss farms - just all those tasteless ones from Holland. In August.  

Not everyone has the time or the idea or the money to buy something "sustainable" - but we could all use a wake up all about buying cheap (therefore afforable) eggs (or any food) from some sort of conglomerate factory capable of producing hundreds of millions of eggs to supply a vast country like the US.

Those cheap eggs should, of course, be safe! Imperative.  But consumers need to be smart and stop expecting the impossible.  

In the documentary, Food Inc, there is a good expose on local chickens versus factory chickens.  The butcher in the local family run chicken farm shows how the health authorities tried to cut their operations because they slaughter in open air, under the sun, and clean and pack the chickens.  But he explained, thats how its been done for generations and it produces a chicken that's healthy to eat, for us humans, and a decent enough life for the chicken!


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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2010, 04:55:40 PM »
Isn't there some sort of middle-ground, finally?  Where food comes from semblance of a farm, even if its pretty huge, and raised in some semblance of normal animal or vegetable production that we have known for hundreds if not thousands of years? 

Swiss beef is still pretty small time production here, and thus restaurants can still serve rare beef, or steak tartar.  I'll make mayonnaise with raw eggs with a egg laid a few days ago locally, trusting the shop and the source.  Maybe that's a bit foolish. 

In the US - does the government say its safe to eat ANY egg raw, nowadays? 
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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #63 on: August 21, 2010, 05:10:55 PM »
All the more reason to look for a locally laid egg, if possible?


Today, I couldn't find one real farm grown open field Swiss tomato in the big supermarket. Its mid August.  You go to the farmer's market and there are piles and tables of Swiss farm tomatos, and they are cheap!  Why can't the supermarket manage to buy these and sell them?  Why isn't there a single bell pepper from the Swiss farms - just all those tasteless ones from Holland. In August.  



I've wondered about this for years.  We produce apples right here in NY state, and the farmer's market is full of them.  But in the supermarket--even at Whole Foods--all the apples are from the opposite end of the continent.  Why? 

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In the documentary, Food Inc, there is a good expose on local chickens versus factory chickens.  The butcher in the local family run chicken farm shows how the health authorities tried to cut their operations because they slaughter in open air, under the sun, and clean and pack the chickens.  But he explained, thats how its been done for generations and it produces a chicken that's healthy to eat, for us humans, and a decent enough life for the chicken!


 I saw that documentary; it was good.  The health authorities either are operating on pure ignorance, or else are deliberately contriving things to hurt the small family farm.  There was salmonella at a restaurant once and they immediately blamed the one farm that didn't wash its eggs.  But this is idiotic.  When you was an egg, you strip the shell of the protective oils that keep bacteria out.  Unwashed eggs are safer than washed.  But what do they know? 

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In the US - does the government say its safe to eat ANY egg raw, nowadays? 

I have no idea and wouldn't care, but I eat raw egg (yolks, of course, never whites) all the time and have no problem.  Mayonnaise, egg nog, sukiyaki, on top of a steak tartare, in salad dressing or tiramisu or even some drinks. 

If I make fried or poached or soft boiled eggs and the yolk is still liquid, does that count as cooked or raw?  If the latter, then I have raw yolk on a virtually daily basis. 
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Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
Aug '11      677     22      21,000
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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #64 on: August 21, 2010, 07:13:46 PM »
I used to know a guy who raised chickens and he told me free range meant his chickens has access to go outdoors if they so wish .

He also added they never wish to go out in the hot sun and preferred to stay inside . It was good for business being able to sell free range chicken but it meant little but in title .

Our conversation was kind of tongue and cheek so I really don't know how accurate that info is /was .   

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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #65 on: August 21, 2010, 07:20:17 PM »
Yeah really -- my grandparents had a chicken coop on their farm and the chickens stayed in the little building. They probably only walked around when screaming about the black snakes that would venture in regularly.

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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2010, 07:20:46 PM »
Don't forget those vile pickled eggs sitting in a musty huge jar in English pubs.  Is that why everyone's always vomiting out on the street when the pub closes?

Not where I live. I can only think of one pub on the Rock that has a jar of those behind the bar. I totally agree - they're vile.
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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2010, 09:29:59 PM »
My grandmother raised chickens on her farm as well.  One thing I could not bring myself to do was catch them and wring their necks.  My grandmother did it with such a quickness and flair but I "chickened out" everytime until she gave up asking me to do it.

But, I can not tell a lie, I make fantastic, finger licking, lip smacking fried chicken.
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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #68 on: August 21, 2010, 10:38:23 PM »

In the US - does the government say its safe to eat ANY egg raw, nowadays? 

I remember hearing somehwere that they recommend for raw recipes (Eggnogs, Ceaser dressing, etc) and for special groups (elderly, compromised immune system, etc...)... that you use pastuerized eggs (they are supposed to have a little "P" stamped  on the egg themselves) However im not sure Ive ever seen an egg with a "P" on it, or even how much they cost. Ill have to check it out next time im in the store.

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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #69 on: August 21, 2010, 10:58:06 PM »
I'm already craving my Sunday late morning omelettes - the eggs are Publix, so I should be fine - let's hope (and they'll be thoroughly cooked.   :)
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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #70 on: August 21, 2010, 11:02:30 PM »
- the eggs are Publix, so I should be fine - let's hope

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11-6-14 CD4- 871, UD
6/3/14 CD4- 736, UD 34%
6/25/13 CD4- 1036, UD,
2/4/13, CD4 - 489, UD, 28%

Current Meds: Prezista/Epzicom/ Norvir
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Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #71 on: August 21, 2010, 11:05:12 PM »
Atta'boy! Way to roll the dice!!


I guess I've always lived a little bit on the precipice of danger   ;D
September 13, 2008 - diagnosed +
Labs:
Date    CD4    %   VL     Date  CD4  %   VL
10/08  636    35  510   9/09 473  38 2900  12/4/09 Atripla
12/09  540    30    60   
12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
02/12  1,102  42  <20
11/12   549    35  <20

Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #72 on: August 21, 2010, 11:11:55 PM »
I had (soft) scrambled eggs and bacon this morning -- supermarket eggs, and store brand no less.  The lowest of the plebeian low.  The bacon was Smithfield... gotta support Virginia pork.
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Offline mecch

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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #73 on: August 21, 2010, 11:12:20 PM »
Yeah really -- my grandparents had a chicken coop on their farm and the chickens stayed in the little building.

Yep, I am not a farmer. Didn't say any gimmick of labeling (free range, bio, etc.) makes it sure you have a healthier chicken. But my gram had a chicken coop too, and it was NOT the pitch black factory with chickens that couldn't walk that I saw in Food Inc.  

I've tasted all the varieties and its true the "traditional" French farm chicken (free range, not bio) tastes better and has a better texture than the "budget ones".  But they are 3-4 times the price.  The same thing goes for the gamme of eggs.  

It would be good to keep a happy medium.  If it keeps up like this, I think we'll end up with only two lines of food, like in Soylent Green.  Real tomatoes for the rich in gated communities, and industrial cracker-like food substances for the masses.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #74 on: August 21, 2010, 11:19:35 PM »
I agree that free range chicken tastes much better, especially for a tasty roasted chicken.  Fortunately I have several good butchers near me in the old Italian market area.
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Offline WillyWump

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Re: Salmonella Eggs in California, Minnesotta and Colorado
« Reply #75 on: August 22, 2010, 10:35:40 PM »
Since we are talkin BAd Eggs, how bout this list..

Top Ten Riskiest FDA Regulated Foods:

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/health/2009/10/07/riskiest-fda-regulated-foods#slide=10

1. LEafy Greens
2. Eggs (duh)
3. Tuna
4. Oysters
5. Potatoes (that was a surprise)
6. Cheese
7. Ice Cream (Whhhhhhat?)
8. Tomatos
9 Sprouts
10. BErries

-W

POZ since '08

Last Labs-
11-6-14 CD4- 871, UD
6/3/14 CD4- 736, UD 34%
6/25/13 CD4- 1036, UD,
2/4/13, CD4 - 489, UD, 28%

Current Meds: Prezista/Epzicom/ Norvir
.

 


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