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Online mecch

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School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« on: August 04, 2010, 10:57:39 AM »
Fine and dandy if you're (you are) not a native English speaker, but come on anglophones, we can do better.

Let's start with homophones, you homos and heteros.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lists_of_common_misspellings/Homophones

What's the difference between there, their, and they're?

http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000256.htm

Their is a possessive pronoun. It always describes a noun.

   Note the spelling of their. It comes from the word they, so the e comes before the i.

There is an adverb meaning "that location."
  
   It is sometimes used with the verb to be as an idiom. It is spelled like here which means "this location."

They're
is a contraction of they are. Note the spelling: The a from are is replaced by an apostrophe.

    Examples: Their dog has fleas. (possessive of they)

    I put the collar right there. (that location)

    There are five prime numbers less than ten.
    (with to be)

    They're 1, 2, 3, 5, and 7. (contraction of they are)
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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2010, 11:18:09 AM »
This is exactly why people find you pretentious. It's such bad form to lecture others about their grammar. Plenty of people have not had your advantage of a higher education. Plenty of people are insecure about posting and your scolding them about their grammar is insulting. Put down your red pencil teach and focus on the person's intent and not their grammar.

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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2010, 11:26:34 AM »
This is exactly why people find you pretentious. It's such bad form to lecture others about their grammar. Plenty of people have not had your advantage of a higher education. Plenty of people are insecure about posting and your scolding them about their grammar is insulting. Put down your red pencil teach and focus on the person's intent and not their grammar.

Edited to add:

You have no idea who has a learning disability, dyslexia, or a variety of other physical, mental or emotional issues. Which just might make writing a bit of a challenge.

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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2010, 11:37:21 AM »
Edited to add:

You have no idea who has a learning disability, dyslexia, or a variety of other physical, mental or emotional issues. Which just might make writing a bit of a challenge.

You are absolutely correct.  I have been working with quite a few teens with significant disabilities and they use the internet to communicate with others. So what if they can't spell things correctly all the time.


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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2010, 12:26:06 PM »
Not buying it.

Notice I started my own thread and didn't criticize someone personally.  Nor, did I use judgmental emotional language like you do, as always, against me, Dachshund.

Use of English online is a hot topic these days as is communication via mobile technologies.

Minor grammar such as their, there, and they're is taught in elementary and junior high school, which almost all people have "benefited" from.  

I teach dyslexic students and have some in my family, and have some formal training.  In most cases, a correction does not inhibit people with learning disabilities from communicating, quite the opposite.  Mockery does, and I am not mocking people who struggle with grammar and spelling.

The post is meant as a reminder to those who care to learn the difference.  If you don't care, bug off!

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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2010, 12:48:52 PM »
people get "lectured" all the time round these parts about using l33t speak or spacing out their posts in "internet paragraphs" rather than following actual grammatical rules. This thread isn't any different

Following the rules of the language to keep it an actual usable language isn't such a bad idea. Once we all start making up how we want to spell words, we'll eventually lose the ability to communicate.

Just because someone is color-blind doesn't mean they can run a stop light. Just because someone doesn't follow grammatical rules does mean that it's ok for them to use "bad English".

search the word "grammar" here and see how many times people edit to correct their grammar and how many times people ask to be excused for their grammar; but especially how many times people say that they can't understand someone's post because of the grammar. That's why grammar is important - so we can understand what the heck people are trying to say.

plenty of people at facebook have issues too with the incorrect usage of "there, they're, and their"
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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2010, 01:10:48 PM »


Minor grammar such as their, there, and they're is taught in elementary and junior high school, which almost all people have "benefited" from.  


Well then we will start with you. This sentence should not end in a preposition.

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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2010, 01:42:53 PM »
Not siding with anybody here, but I learned basic grammar and spelling early on... certainly way before high school or college.  I won't speak about those who have learning disabilities but only about many that I know personally who can't (don't?) spell or punctuate correctly.  Like most things, it takes practice.  Years ago, I was much better at both.  What's different now?  I don't write as much or as often (except for on-line and email).  When I do write, I generally type, and you can bet I run a spell check.  I'm so anal about it I use the iespell add-on for Internet Explorer and the one built in to Firefox.  Why?  It's important to me to spell correctly as much as possible.  When I see poorly spelled words or poorly punctuated sentences (not just one or two, but numerous), I wonder if the person is lazy, uneducated, or has some sort of disability.  Regardless, proper writing is just one of those things that was so ingrained into me that it's very difficult to NOT notice (very obvious) mistakes. 

None of this is to say that I look down on those who can't / don't spell properly or punctuate correctly.  I just notice it in the same way I would notice if somebody was dressed inappropriately or differently than the norm... an observation, not a judgment.  I should also mention that I have mild Dysgraphia/Visuo-Graphic Disorder, ADD/ADHD, and some other 'issue', but I can't recall what it's called.  I also never claim to write perfectly, but I do try to get the basics correct.   
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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2010, 01:50:38 PM »
Given what I read in forums and the web, the English language is slowly eroding. Spelling words correctly seems to be an afterthought, if at all, as if phonetically spelling a word is good enough, assuming you can decipher the characters intent. Mecch, you provide an excellent example, but I think it would be more effective, if it were presented more simply. It reads more like an algorithm than a simple English lesson. One thing I always try to do, when posting, is to remember my audience. You cannot help someone to learn, if they cannot understand the lesson.

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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2010, 01:59:36 PM »
While I agree that the English language is eroding, I think (and this is opinion only) that it might be better to do a post commenting on that and giving some examples (i.e. improper use of there, their, and they're).  Provide links to sites where one can "brush" up on grammar, punctuation, etc.

I don't know if someone really wants to be hit with an actual English lesson/course when coming to these Forums (afterall, we refer people to sources to learn basics such as treatment protocols, etc.)

While incorrect grammar can stand out to me (at times), I would not want to have someone feel less comfortable posting on these forums for fear of being judged/graded on their use/understanding of the English language.

That all said, the lesson on "their, there, and they're" took me back to 3rd grade and 7th grade English classes.   :)
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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2010, 02:14:37 PM »
Writing in tween text speech is annoying as hell. But grammatical mistakes which do not cause confusion in the context of the post is hardly worth commenting upon. This is a site for information and support regarding one of the more serious diseases out there.

If we have time and energy to lecture about "there" and "they're" then obviously this site has nothing further to offer.

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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2010, 02:24:56 PM »
This is exactly why people find you pretentious. It's such bad form to lecture others about their grammar. Plenty of people have not had your advantage of a higher education. Plenty of people are insecure about posting and your scolding them about their grammar is insulting. Put down your red pencil teach and focus on the person's intent and not their grammar.
Edited to add:

You have no idea who has a learning disability, dyslexia, or a variety of other physical, mental or emotional issues. Which just might make writing a bit of a challenge.

Well said......

Well then we will start with you. This sentence should not end in a preposition.

And good catch...  

This is a sad thread.
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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2010, 02:27:45 PM »
Well said......

And good catch...  

This is a sad thread.


Their you go skeebo!  I loved your reply up they're and hope you will respond to there other posts.   ;) ;D
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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2010, 03:49:05 PM »
Fine and dandy if you're (you are) not a native English speaker, but come on anglophones, we can do better.

Let's start with homophones, you homos and heteros.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lists_of_common_misspellings/Homophones

What's the difference between there, their, and they're?

http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000256.htm

Their is a possessive pronoun. It always describes a noun.

   Note the spelling of their. It comes from the word they, so the e comes before the i.

There is an adverb meaning "that location."
  
   It is sometimes used with the verb to be as an idiom. It is spelled like here which means "this location."

They're
is a contraction of they are. Note the spelling: The a from are is replaced by an apostrophe.

    Examples: Their dog has fleas. (possessive of they)

    I put the collar right there. (that location)

    There are five prime numbers less than ten.
    (with to be)

    They're 1, 2, 3, 5, and 7. (contraction of they are)

You will now be held to this higher standard. Expect every single post you make to be proof read and, when errors are found, a belittling correction will follow.

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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2010, 04:10:19 PM »
I don't know if someone really wants to be hit with an actual English lesson/course when coming to these Forums
If we have time and energy to lecture about "there" and "they're" then obviously this site has nothing further to offer.
A recent thread (about "spitting") had a disagreement about which forum it should be placed under, and it has been suggested to some recent members that their posts should go into the "just tested" forum as opposed to "living with" because of the content and caliber of their topics.

since this topic is already in the "off topic" forum, I would point out that this thread is in the appropriate forum already. If there are issues with the content of this thread, I could readily name many others (about music, about porn, about tv shows) that are wildly inappropriate for the site as they offer nothing to the HIV/AIDS discussion.
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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2010, 04:21:43 PM »
A recent thread (about "spitting") had a disagreement about which forum it should be placed under, and it has been suggested to some recent members that their posts should go into the "just tested" forum as opposed to "living with" because of the content and caliber of their topics.

since this topic is already in the "off topic" forum, I would point out that this thread is in the appropriate forum already. If there are issues with the content of this thread, I could readily name many others (about music, about porn, about tv shows) that are wildly inappropriate for the site as they offer nothing to the HIV/AIDS discussion.
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I wasn't questioning the placement of this thread in the Off Topic content area.  I was merely expressing my opinion that I didn't know if people are really looking for an English lesson when they come to these Forums.  Now, that said, if someone wants to build a thread around the mechanics of assembling an automobile - and put it in Off Topic - go for it. 

Off course, when talking about those mechanics of putting together an automobile, they then open themselves up to an open discourse regarding said mechanics, purpose of the discussion, probable or intended desire or outcome they are looking for by putting the post.

In regards to topics such as porn, music tastes, etc. that you referenced - these topics generate discussion and some are asking for personal tastes regarding these things.  These topic areas are not there to brickbat those who may not follow (by choice or lack of knowledge) English punctuational and grammar protocols.  And, when someone does set up a thread with the intent of brickbatting others (as we have seen in some recent thread regarding why an HIV+ person would want to have sex, or - in an effort to keep it off HIV - let's say a thread about the President, etc. we have seen a pretty good amount of attacks occur.

I stick by what I initially said.  I don't think people come to an HIV/AIDS  forum looking for an English lesson; however, if someone wants to use the Off Topic content area to address "appropriate grammar" then so be it.  I will read it - if I feel like it.  I will respond - if I feel like it.  I just find it ironic that someone can get offended when others make remarks and/or give feedback regarding his hoarding thread, but then is the one who initiates a post about lack of grammatical appropriateness.
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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2010, 04:57:09 PM »
As for moving the spitting thread, guilty as charged. To me, the very presence of a thread, asking if saliva was infectious, was just unacceptable in the Living forum. I found it so distasteful, that I think I will start a thread on the very subject.

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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2010, 05:08:08 PM »
Mikie -
  I was merely expressing my opinion that I didn't know if people are really looking for an English lesson when they come to these Forums. 


I know I'm not !!  I make plenty of mistakes when posting, and I am certainly not one of the brightest people when it comes to properly getting my thoughts down on the page, or the proper use of language.  It was my worst subject in school. Why do you think I edit so often.

I figure, if I don't make myself clear on something, people can ask me to clarify.

I didn't join this site in 2003, wondering whether I would be chastised or ridiculed, for not spelling correctly, or not using proper  punctuation or wording a sentence correctly.

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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2010, 05:09:25 PM »

If we have time and energy to lecture about "there" and "they're" then obviously this site has nothing further to offer.



Looks as though that's the way it's heading.  Sad...

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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2010, 05:46:58 PM »
A recent thread (about "spitting") had a disagreement about which forum it should be placed under, and it has been suggested to some recent members that their posts should go into the "just tested" forum as opposed to "living with" because of the content and caliber of their topics.

since this topic is already in the "off topic" forum, I would point out that this thread is in the appropriate forum already. If there are issues with the content of this thread, I could readily name many others (about music, about porn, about tv shows) that are wildly inappropriate for the site as they offer nothing to the HIV/AIDS discussion.

  Were you the class jock that bullied all the kids who couldn't shoot a free throw?  Can you at least understand how this would make some posters feel?  Sheeesh, this is unbelievable.
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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2010, 06:09:59 PM »
Apologies if someone felt insulted by the thread.
Glad to see the subject at least provokes some discussion, as much as my pretentiousness.
It's hardly out of the blue, since it's a discussion, as leatherman points out, in many online discussion forums.

It's in off-topic, so yeah has nothing to do with AIDS HIV.

I don't think I belittled anyone. If I did, I didn't mean too.

I wrote the title "School Marm" as a sort of acknowledgment that the subject is nitpicky and my role introducing it a bit school marmy ridiculous.  I meant it as something a bit frivolous, but interesting enough to discuss.

If I said that vulgarity has limited value in an online discussion forum, some of you would tout suite tell me I'm being insensitive with those with Tourette's.  But I love people with Tourette - there's one in my city who wakes everyone up from their daily zombie lives of Swiss calm.  
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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2010, 06:16:01 PM »
Looks as though that's the way it's heading.  Sad...
yes, it is sad if people think that one little ol' thread about grammar destroys all the use of this site leaving it with "nothing further to offer". ;D Are y'all suggesting that we can't have threads about proper grammar, music, porn, and HIV issues? ??? That somehow a thread about proper grammar usage in the Off Topic forum trumps all the HIV/AIDS info on this site? That's the way I'm reading some of y'all's comments and that's just crazy. :D

I didn't join this site in 2003, wondering whether I would be chastised or ridiculed, for not spelling correctly, or not using proper  punctuation or wording a sentence correctly.
that's kinda disingenious. You weren't specifically called out about your grammar. You also had the choice, as with any other thread, to "not read in the first place" or to "read it and move along". I have left out the other option to "read it and complain about the topic", because if we all started to complain about every topic that got posted eventually it wouldn't matter how bad our grammar issues were as none of us would be talking to each other anyway. :D


I have no idea what thread(s) caused Mecch to get concerned enough to post about this; but as I pointed out, millions of FaceBook users are concerned about the same issue. As we are just a microcosm of the world, we shouldn't be surprised that some people here are also concerned about the destruction of the English language.

So what are some of you saying then? That Mecch (and I and others) are not allowed to be concerned about the destruction of proper English grammar rules? That we're not allowed to post about certain things in which we are interested? I personally didn't find the ebay thread, the Chesla thread, the Jersey Shore thread, the Mad Men thread, or the pot store thread all that interesting either. (although I did like the true blood, turtle, gay porn and crazy christian threads) However I didn't post in those threads I wasn't interested in, saying that they made the whole site worthless nor I didn't complain that the OPs had no rights to even start those threads.

Were you the class jock that bullied all the kids who couldn't shoot a free throw?
no, I was the class nerd that made straight A's in English. :D

Sheesh, I feel bad that I'm too poor to go to any of the AM gathering; but that doesn't stop other people from talking about their plans and making me feel like poor white trash. It just seems silly to think that someone pointing out a common grammatical mistake ("its" and "it's" is another one. Even worse though is "our" and "are" that I see all the time. Or "hear" and "here") would be the cause of such a bruhaha.

I've been chided before on this site by the grammar-gestapo for not capitalizing "aids" or "hiv", and when a moderator offered up a complaint/suggestion about my long posts, I chose to stop following the grammatical rules and started posting in "internet paragraphs". I didn't have a big ol' fit about how rude it was that someone pointed out that they had a hard time understanding my posts because of the long paragraphs.
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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2010, 06:17:53 PM »
It's in off-topic, so yeah has nothing to do with AIDS HIV.

Don't hyphenate "Off Topic".

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I don't think I belittled anyone. If I did, I didn't mean too.

This should be "mean to" not "mean too".

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If I said that vulgarity has limited value in an online discussion forum, some of you would tout suite tell me I'm being insensitive with those with Tourette's.  But I love people with Tourette - there's one in my city who wakes everyone up from their daily zombie lives of Swiss calm. 

Do you mean "Tourette's" or "Tourette"? Either is acceptable but you should be consistent. Also one is "insensitive to" not "insensitive with".

You committed sundry other lapses, but these corrections will do for now.

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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2010, 06:22:53 PM »
heheheheh  ;D

Got me on the "too".  You feel more awake now?  You're welcome.

Tourette's because I didn't write the compound noun. 

Bring it on, if it helps raise awareness that, in fact, precision isn't all bad.

Listen we are a community here so if I introduce topics that aren't about HIV but are about communication, I don't see the problem.

Glad to see at least a few got into the spirit of the subject and not another boring attack on moi meme.
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Re: School Marm scolding about crappy grammar and spelling.
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2010, 06:25:22 PM »
OMG I am laughing so hard at this thread. To me, the very fact we can quibble about proper English and keep bitch-slapping each other, shows me just how comfortable we are with each other. These are discussions among friends and given the wild variance in members here, I am sure we could even argue about the definition of "up".

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« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2010, 06:50:32 PM »
A friend of mine bitch slapped me about my crappy French the other day. Maybe that was part of why I posted this thread about English.

You know, English is an amazing amazing language. It absorbs so easily. Some of the brouhaha about the decline of English in written expression is silly, but not all.

Anyway, it's a thread that is a bit meta - who are we? how to we communicate?

When I wrote "we can do better" it was in good faith.  

I am very much in the same camp as David, or at least what he wrote here.  I spend the better part of every academic year explaining to engineers that despite their intelligence and creative ideas, or considering the lack thereof, when they start working people will also get an impression about the way they express themselves.  I've had many brilliant young people pass through my classes with no investment in the way they present themselves and their ideas.

It's just a forum, so the subject isn't do or die, just something to think about.
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« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2010, 06:55:29 PM »
I actually caught the title of the thread; I actually thought it was a worthwhile thread to have in Off Topic.  I merely was stating that I don't think most people want to come here to get English grammar lessons.  

This in no way was meant to take away from the thread and the discussion it generated.  Not that it matters, but I have a job as a Grant Developer.  My writing style (punctuation, verb usage, grammar overall - including active/passive voice, etc) is under constant scrutiny.  It has to be impeccable.  I don't want to come to a site that I come to for support and to feel a part of - to share opinions, to share feelings, thoughts and emotions, and have a back and forth discussion or just let off some solo steam to then be gauged on whether I misused a word or didn't have subject, verb, noun agreement.  I have to do those things 8 hours a day.  Many times when I'm on here, I want to turn that part of my brain off.

Also, whether us old schoolers want to admit it or not, the English language is ever evolving.  Over the past decade it has went through and is going through some of its greatest evolutionary changes.  Back in the day, one would not find "slang" words listed in Webster's - now they are common place.  Back in the day we woudn't have thought about or been allowed to use contractions when writing - speaking maybe, but not writing.  Times they are a changing.  They have always been changing otherwise I would be writing in Old English stlye right now (wilst thou I were).  

Good thread - I just don't want us to focus on grammar and punctuation and forget they we are here to offer support and encouragement.  
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« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2010, 07:18:18 PM »
You know, English is an amazing amazing language.

Indeed. One day you might take the time to learn English.

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« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2010, 07:27:30 PM »
i say to hell with capitalization on the inet...too much effort   ;D
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« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2010, 07:55:22 PM »
I have leaning disability's that keeps me from participating in many conversations I run across on the forum .

 I'm certainly not offended by the conversation but it would be helpful for those without disability's to understand how it feels to us that live with them when some one pulls the I'm intellectually superior to you card . What I share here is as good as its going to get for me as far as grammar and spelling are concerned .     

 At first I was afraid of having to explain it or apologise for something I have little control over . I don't worry about that so much now , its the time it takes me to type proof read and post that holds me back .

The forum can be allot of fun sometime and it can be a place to get and give needed support . I don't think you have to be a scholar or a poet in order to show people you care .   

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« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2010, 07:57:54 PM »
The forum can be allot of fun sometime and it can be a place to get and give needed support . I don't think you have to be a scholar or a poet in order to show people you care .   

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« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2010, 07:59:03 PM »
I have leaning disability's that keeps me from participating in many conversations I run across on the forum .

 I'm certainly not offended by the conversation but it would be helpful for those without disability's to understand how it feels to us that live with them when some one pulls the I'm intellectually superior to you card . What I share here is as good as its going to get for me as far as grammar and spelling are concerned .     

 At first I was afraid of having to explain it or apologise for something I have little control over . I don't worry about that so much now , its the time it takes me to type proof read and post that holds me back .

The forum can be allot of fun sometime and it can be a place to get and give needed support . I don't think you have to be a scholar or a poet in order to show people you care .   
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« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2010, 08:37:26 PM »
I'm certainly not offended by the conversation but it would be helpful for those without disability's to understand how it feels to us that live with them when some one pulls the I'm intellectually superior to you card

Duly noted.
I'm not pulling that card by the way. Any teacher (and I am a teacher) knows that people with learning disabilities are average and usually above average in "intelligence".  And people with dyslexia specifically are extremely visual and creative thinkers whose contributions are very important to society. 
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« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2010, 08:38:33 PM »
The prose represented in the forums is considered informal writing.  In my VE elementary classroom writing workshops, one style of writing I focus on everyday is informal writing.  I want my students to feel comfortable expressing themselves with the written word.  When I look over their journal, my red pen is kept in my desk.  I ignore grammar and spelling errors.  Instead, I read for for content.  I want my students to learn to love writing.  That's not possible if a red pen is taken to everything they write. Their formal writing is a different story.  

And like phildinftlaudy, my motive in these forums is not to impress.  I write a minimum of 4 term papers a semester, countless lesson plans, and correct students speech all day long.  It is during these periods I mind my grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc.  So, until this place is flooded with principals wanting to offer me a job, you'll just have to put up with my laziness and errors.  

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« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2010, 08:40:03 PM »
no, I was the class nerd that made straight A's in English. :D


Hence why I felt you would understand the example I gave you since you wasn't part of the jock set.  You might have made A's in English, but reading The Old Man and the Sea is not helping you comprehend what I'm saying.

It's all good though..  great discussion, I guess.
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« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2010, 08:51:52 PM »
Duly noted.
I'm not pulling that card by the way. Any teacher (and I am a teacher) knows that people with learning disabilities are average and usually above average in "intelligence".  And people with dyslexia specifically are extremely visual and creative thinkers whose contributions are very important to society. 



Nothing you have said is offensive to me . If anything a topic like this makes me all the more comfortable .

A friend of mine who is a college professor asked me to send him an unedited email with out using spell check so he could use it in his class not long ago . I can say truthfully posting in the forum has helped me some with my spelling . If spell check doesn't catch errors I have no way of knowing if I have made a mistake , sometimes when I read replies I notice the difference and try to correct or retain it .    

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« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2010, 09:41:44 PM »
Well this did turn into a fun topic in its own way (thank Goddess I didn't say it's).

It is most significant to understand that scaring a single soul away from what could possibly be a life-changing experience for them to come to this site and gain knowledge, support, assistance, friendship or even the wonderful love of its members would be tragic.  So we can understand when a post has some grammar or spelling errors and let it go and still be helpful and not make that perspn feel inferior and shy away from returning.

Now Mecch your spelling and grammatical errors are being watched by the great Eye in the Sky, our one and only Matty the Damned one will get you too (uh- to) - Oh never mind  ;)

Just don't even think of trying to get me to understand when to say who and when to say whom !!!
I don't think anyone knows which is correct. ;) 

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« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2010, 10:06:17 PM »
The word is moot, bitches.

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« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2010, 11:02:40 PM »
The word is moot, bitches.

yeah, this whole thread is a "mute" point.
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« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2010, 11:12:07 PM »
This thread requires three klonnies, stat
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« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2010, 11:51:23 PM »
This thread requires three klonnies, stat

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