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Author Topic: Supplements with Meds?  (Read 13688 times)

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Offline newbieguy

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Supplements with Meds?
« on: July 30, 2010, 01:05:19 PM »
I am starting Atripla this weekend and am wondering about what I should do about the vitamins I take? I take a multivitamin and B-12 every morning, and one D at night. Should I keep taking these with the Atripla? Also, pretty happy about my weight gain over the past year (when not on any meds) I jumped from like 128 to 140!!!!  :) I chose Atripla because it seems to be the least associated with wasting. Just would like your guys' thoughts on these things, thanks!  :)

Offline metekrop

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2010, 01:41:17 PM »
Better you talk to to your doc, the best person who can advise you.
Diag on Dec 8, 2000, CD 440 VL 44K, No Meds
Dec/08 - Feb/09 CD< 50 & VL >500k hosp'z.
St. Atripla - July/09 CD 179, VL 197k
Oct/09 CD 300 VL UD Chol 267
Mar/10 CD 468 UD, Ch 220
Aug/10 CD 460 UD, Ch 195
Dec/10 CD 492 UD, Ch 172
Mar/11 CD 636 UD, Ch 201
Aug/11 CD 530 UD, Ch 98
Jan/12 cd 616 UD, ch 189
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Offline Ann

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2010, 02:35:58 PM »
Newbie,

I've moved your thread to the Nutrition forum which is the more appropriate place for it.

Regular OTC vitamin supplements are fine, but do let your doctor know you're taking them.

Ann
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Offline PeteNYNJ

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2010, 01:57:22 AM »
Multivitamins are fine, but look at the information given to you when you receive the Atripla.  I know with Reyataz, you shouldn't take vitamins/minerals within two hours of taking the med. 

Pete

Offline Boze

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2010, 07:02:09 AM »
1) I wouldn't expect  your doctor to tell you much about supplements - that's not their expertise. For this you would have to do your own homework.

2) I take the following supplements. I've done a lot of research on what is helpful for those with HIV who are on HAART (I take Atripla as well) and narrowed the list to these:


Omega-3
Now Adam Multivitamin
Calcium  & D
Alpha Lipoic Acid
N-acetyl Cystein
PB8 Pro-biotic
CoQ10
Acetyl L-Carnitine

I decided to take them every other day - so I take half on Mon/Wed/Fri and the other half on Tue/Thur/Sat.  Except Omega-3 and Now Adam Multivatamin which I take every day.

If you want more details let me know.
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Aug08 - Seroconversion
Mar10 - Diagnosis; cd4 690 - VL 19,000
Apr10 - cd4 600
May10 - VL 4,500
Jun10 - started Atripla ; VL 113
Jul 10 - UD vl, CD4 590
Aug 10 - UD, CD4 810, 52%
Nov 10 - UD, CD4 980

Offline Nestor

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2010, 04:33:02 PM »
1) I wouldn't expect  your doctor to tell you much about supplements - that's not their expertise. For this you would have to do your own homework.



I agree with the above, with two small caveats.  First, your doctor certainly could tell you what not to take if there are any negative interactions between some supplement and your meds; secondly, he could tell you if you needed anything: if, for example, a deficiency in Vitamin D were to show up in your regular labs. Other than that Boze is correct; whether alpha lipoic acid or fish oil is something worth taking or not might be a question on which your doctor has something valuable to contribute but I wouldn't expect it. 
Summer 2004--became HIV+
Dec. 2005--found out

Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
Aug '11      677     22      21,000
Sept. '12    747     15      14,000

Offline Gio

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2010, 11:11:32 PM »
I would strongly suggest that you speak with your doctor.  I have always taken multi viatimins since i was a kid and have been very consistent.  I did ask and he requested that i take vitamin D and fish oil..  But the best way to get your needs is by eating a well balanced healthy meal.

Offline odyssey

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2010, 11:41:45 PM »
1) I wouldn't expect  your doctor to tell you much about supplements - that's not their expertise. For this you would have to do your own homework.

2) I take the following supplements. I've done a lot of research on what is helpful for those with HIV who are on HAART (I take Atripla as well) and narrowed the list to these:


Omega-3
Now Adam Multivitamin
Calcium  & D
Alpha Lipoic Acid
N-acetyl Cystein
PB8 Pro-biotic
CoQ10
Acetyl L-Carnitine

I decided to take them every other day - so I take half on Mon/Wed/Fri and the other half on Tue/Thur/Sat.  Except Omega-3 and Now Adam Multivatamin which I take every day.

If you want more details let me know.

I will have to respectfully disagree with Boze here. A good infectious disease doctor will also know the relevant information about supplements relating to HIV/AIDS. Mine sure does. He knows what supps will interact with meds as well as what supplements are shown to have a positive effect on the health of people with our condition and which are just touted as such for companies to make a profit, but have no proof.

According to my doctor, who has reviewed the relevant literature in the field and is quite an expert in the area, the only supplements shown to actually have a positive impact for poz folk are a multivitamin, fish oil, and selenium. That's it. All of the rest, CoQ10, N-acetyl cystein, etc. are just a bunch of speculatory unproven profiteering. No hard evidence.

I guess my point is, only take what is proven to work, and always check your meds/supplements with your doctor and/or your pharmacist. Hope this helps!

odyssey
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

Offline sharkdiver

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2010, 07:49:55 PM »
um...Boze is no longer on the forums...

that's why zombie threads aren't encouraged.

Offline odyssey

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2010, 08:11:42 PM »
um...Boze is no longer on the forums...

that's why zombie threads aren't encouraged.

Sorry, it came up near the top, I read the posts and responded. Should of checked the dates on some of the earlier posts. But please point the angry finger at the person who dug it up from the grave in the first place, lol. I honestly had no clue how old it was!

odyssey
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

Offline sharkdiver

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2010, 08:30:11 PM »
I'm not angry
..just saying he's been long gone

Offline Ann

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2010, 12:24:45 PM »
I'm not angry
..just saying he's been long gone

I wouldn't necessarily say he's "long gone". He was logged in as recently as two weeks ago, even though he hasn't posted since September.
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline sharkdiver

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2010, 05:35:58 PM »
I wouldn't necessarily say he's "long gone". He was logged in as recently as two weeks ago, even though he hasn't posted since September.

well there ya go.

   

Offline Ann

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2010, 03:55:12 PM »
well there ya go.

Yep, and everywhere I go, there I am! Funny how that works. ??? ;D
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline natthai

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2010, 05:47:06 PM »
I'm not angry
..just saying he's been long gone

Where did he go. It looks like he logged in a few weeks ago. I am confused now. You are saying he is no longer here and long gone, did he tell you someting? I hope he is okay I was following his progress.
Infection date: February 14, 2010 (yeah really)
08/03/2010 - CD4 621 (27%) VL 72,250
25/03/2010 - CD4 981 (28%) VL 122,719 <-started anti-oxidants (ABCDE, Se, ALA, NAC)
11/08/2010 - CD4 1,365 (31%) VL 5,451

Offline Boze

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Re: Supplements with Meds?
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2011, 10:47:54 PM »
Where did he go. It looks like he logged in a few weeks ago. I am confused now. You are saying he is no longer here and long gone, did he tell you someting? I hope he is okay I was following his progress.

Sorry for lack of update - I occasionally check in but haven't posted in a long time. Randomly was browsing the forums and saw this, decided to pipe up. Just have been busy with a few other things.

Knock on wood I'm fine, have been on Atripla for about 14 months now after having started treatment early. Hope it (health status) stays boring, wish you all the same :)
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Aug08 - Seroconversion
Mar10 - Diagnosis; cd4 690 - VL 19,000
Apr10 - cd4 600
May10 - VL 4,500
Jun10 - started Atripla ; VL 113
Jul 10 - UD vl, CD4 590
Aug 10 - UD, CD4 810, 52%
Nov 10 - UD, CD4 980

 


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