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Author Topic: Anyone heard about this?  (Read 6938 times)

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Offline WillyWump

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2010, 06:59:52 PM »
This finding is great news. If it pans out it will mean that less people get HIV....Isnt that a win in everyone's book??? It should be.

-Will
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6/25/13 CD4- 1036, UD,
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Offline Dachshund

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2010, 07:00:57 PM »
once again, I present YOUR threat in YOUR own words.

I never said you actually changed any wiki entry, but you did threaten wtf  that your actions could be to "pop over there" and "edit each of the links" just to prove your point of the supposed unreliablity of wikipedia ergo you would have had to change the links and made them incorrect to prove your point ergo vandalism.
(umm. no. that isn't a withdrawal  ;) )

However, i think you should have to withdrawn your comments of calling other members lunatics and weirdos. and I think it's still incumbent upon YOU to disprove whatever it was that you believed was wrong in the links provided by wtf.
a hardon for you?? not bloody likely.  :D

We're still waiting for you to apologize to all the heterosexuals for calling them breeders.

Offline Boze

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2010, 07:09:20 PM »
We're still waiting for you to apologize to all the heterosexuals for calling them breeders.

As the token heterosexual I provide the indulgence.
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Offline Dachshund

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2010, 07:13:57 PM »
As the token heterosexual I provide the indulgence.

Token is right. What I should have said is leather shouldn't accuse anyone of name calling with unclean hands.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2010, 07:20:36 PM by Dachshund »

Offline jcelvis

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2010, 07:45:18 PM »

The fact of the matter is that history supports my opinion.  If you think I'm so wrong, find me some meaningful historical examples of major advances in treatment occurring after vaccination.  Please, make these advances in treatment as expensive and rare as HIV.  Believe me, I want to be wrong about my arguemetn as much as you want me to.  Probably more.  I haven't gotten my resistance test yet, and I'm scared to death that my options are going to be limited.  


And please, don't accuse me of promoting "self serving crap".  What we're looking at is a difference between a disease becoming manageable for tens of millions versus a disease being fatal for millions.  Its not as easy my simple failure to appreciate their good luck.  
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How you you try this   http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-hep-b.pdf. A vaccine for Hep B was available for commercial use in 1981, 29 years ago. The Hepatitis B Foundation  still exists and current drugs are being developed in the market. Go to http://hepb.org/.

As for polio you aren't comparing apples to apples. Polio is an acute viral infection that is shed from the body. Treatment is for EFFECTS caused by the virus, and not actual treatment OF the virus. Completely different models of treatment.

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Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2010, 07:54:42 PM »
As the token heterosexual I provide the indulgence.

You better mover over buddy I was here first.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2010, 08:00:16 PM »
This finding is great news. If it pans out it will mean that less people get HIV....Isnt that a win in everyone's book??? It should be.

-Will

Not in my book.  I like to breed underage twinks.
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Offline leatherman

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #57 on: July 10, 2010, 08:02:56 PM »
We're still waiting for you to apologize to all the heterosexuals for calling them breeders.
so now you're going to cause trouble after Ann told us to stop??? you're a little late for the "discussion" but once again I see you have nothing good to say or add to the discussion. i'll be reporting your post as flamebaiting, and let the mods handle this.
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Offline Dachshund

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #58 on: July 10, 2010, 08:07:52 PM »
Report away, just pointing out the obvious.

Offline Boze

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #59 on: July 10, 2010, 08:08:24 PM »
You better mover over buddy I was here first.

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Apr10 - cd4 600
May10 - VL 4,500
Jun10 - started Atripla ; VL 113
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Aug 10 - UD, CD4 810, 52%
Nov 10 - UD, CD4 980

Offline WillyWump

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #60 on: July 10, 2010, 08:09:11 PM »
Not in my book.  I like to breed underage twinks.

WHA WHAT? you can top??

-amazed in San Antonio
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #61 on: July 10, 2010, 08:18:19 PM »
WHA WHAT? you can top??

-amazed in San Antonio

When I keep my mouth shut, hide the vintage Vivienne Westwood and wear chaps everyone thinks I'm a top.  I've even pissed all over a hot Catholic priest.  He wanted me to fist him but I wasn't going there.  Total poppers whore as well, then had to rush off at 5 AM for mass in Bensonhurst.  Amazing what one meets at a leather bar, isn't it?
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Offline WillyWump

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #62 on: July 10, 2010, 08:26:52 PM »
Vivienne Westwood


...One sec, Googling.
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6/25/13 CD4- 1036, UD,
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #63 on: July 10, 2010, 08:31:43 PM »
...One sec, Googling.

10 gay demerits!
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Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #64 on: July 10, 2010, 08:34:45 PM »
You snooze, you lose


Don't cry over spilt milk, what's done is done son!! :D
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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #65 on: July 10, 2010, 10:05:20 PM »
You think it's good?  I think it's scary as hell.  The report I read on that study promised nothing for those already infected save that there *may* be treatment applications for those already infected that could be used in conjunction with existing therapies.  To me, a vaccine preventing 90% of infections results in a market collapse for future HIV pharmeceutical development, and probably to all forms of treatment to those if us already infected,  to say nothing of the giant "fuck you" the remaining newly infected will receive upon diagnosis of increasingly resistant strains.  I think i'd feel better off without it.

So you don't want a vaccine discovered because saving the rest of the population from HIV infection doesn't benefit your self-interest? Is that what you are saying?

Offline hotpuppy

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #66 on: July 10, 2010, 10:16:50 PM »
Oh I love a pissing match... just make sure you aren't wearing a wetsuit when you get in one!

Wikipedia is no more biased than Encyclopedia Brittannica or any other "source."  The difference is that WP is widely reviewed and edits can be suggested by people in tin-hats or PHDs.

I'll jump on this in a minute, but I always find it mesmorizing how we tend to forget everything we know when someone comes out telling us that drinking caffeinated cat piss will cure HIV.  By the way, jumping off a cliff will cure HIV as well.  It just has a bad prognosis for the rest of your life... and fails miserably should you somehow manage to survive by choosing a cliff with insufficient vertical abilities or one that is bordered by the fresh bodies of fluffy bunnies.
Don't obsess over the wrong things.  Life isn't about your numbers, it isn't about this forum, it isn't about someone's opinion.  It's about getting out there and enjoying it.   I am a person with HIV - not the other way around.

Offline wtfimpoz

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #67 on: July 10, 2010, 10:17:35 PM »
So you don't want a vaccine discovered because saving the rest of the population from HIV infection doesn't benefit your self-interest? Is that what you are saying?

I've never said that.  In fact I've rather specifically outlined the opposite, that I'm scared not just for myself but for all of us who are infected, all who will be before the vaccine and whoever becomes infected After the vaccine.  Is it some weird form of self hatred that keeps everyone feling like they're supposed to be overjoyed for a vaccine which will inadvertanly screw some even as it helps many?
09/01/2009-neg
mid april, 2010, "flu like illness".
06/01/2010-weakly reactive ELISA, indeterminant WB
06/06/2010-reactive ELISA, confirmed positive.

DATE       CD4     %     VL
07/15/10  423     33    88k
08/28/10  489     19    189k
09/06/10-Started ATRIPLA
09/15/10  420     38    1400
11/21/10  517     25    51

Offline Ann

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #68 on: July 10, 2010, 10:19:35 PM »
We're still waiting for you to apologize to all the heterosexuals for calling them breeders.

Well Dox, you're correct, but I really wish you hadn't left the Wiki bit in your quote as it was the Wiki debate I called a halt to. You were obviously talking about the name-calling though.


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Offline wtfimpoz

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #69 on: July 10, 2010, 10:24:10 PM »
Let's remove our reasoning here from the passions linked with HIV.  If we had to kill every tenth newborn child so that the other nine need never know suffering, would that be an acceptable bargain?  That is what this vaccine does.
09/01/2009-neg
mid april, 2010, "flu like illness".
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DATE       CD4     %     VL
07/15/10  423     33    88k
08/28/10  489     19    189k
09/06/10-Started ATRIPLA
09/15/10  420     38    1400
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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #70 on: July 10, 2010, 10:24:43 PM »
so now you're going to cause trouble after Ann told us to stop??? you're a little late for the "discussion" but once again I see you have nothing good to say or add to the discussion. i'll be reporting your post as flamebaiting, and let the mods handle this.

Who died and left the moderating to you? You say you want to "let the mods handle this", but your actions say otherwise.  It clearly states in the Welcome Thread that you're not supposed to respond to inappropriate behaviour yourself.


We would like to remind everyone at this time to use the "Report to moderator" link rather than respond to inappropriate behaviour yourself.


Please consider yourself warned!

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Anyone heard about this?
« Reply #71 on: July 10, 2010, 10:27:52 PM »
You know what, this thread is finished. It's been nothing but trouble. If you want to discuss this development, go and post in the similar (minus flamebaits) thread in Research. It's linked to very early on in this thread.

This one is locked.
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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