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Author Topic: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?  (Read 4339 times)

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Offline jackfrost

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Here in Canada if you are a man who has had sex with a man you are not allowed to donate blood. Doesn't matter if you don't have an infectious disease. If you are a man who has had sex with men you can't donate blood. A couple of years they started applying that rule for donating organs. Doesn't matter if you are one of the healthiest people in the world with no diseases, they won't take your organs if you are a man who has had sex with men. 

I was just curious if it is like that in the United States and other countries?

Offline PozBrian

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2010, 11:07:32 PM »
Last I heard it was though there was some effort to change that. A search of the forums should reveal the thread.

A similar thing occurred to me a little while ago regarding organ donation. I have long checked the organ donor box on my drivers license. Is that something that should be undone? Can it be undone or should I not worry about it?
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Offline tednlou2

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2010, 11:19:20 PM »
It is the same here, but there is a move to change the blood donation rule for gay men who are HIV neg.  It is discrimination and stupid for them to rely on people being honest with them.  I recently posted how they believe by banning gays, this will ensure the blood supply.  However, they don't care if straight people have 5,000 partners.  

I'm kinda surprised Canada has this same rule.  I thought Canadians were a little smarter about these things.  

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« Last Edit: May 24, 2010, 11:20:51 PM by tednlou2 »

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2010, 11:22:06 PM »
As far as the license organ donor thing...it can be removed.  I removed mine years ago long before I tested poz because I got paranoid the doctors wouldn't try as hard to safe me if I was in an accident.  Probably can just go to your local drivers license place. :)
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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 06:00:22 AM »
To be honest that's something that was never on the cards for me.

In the UK because i'm gay, and thank to mad cows disease there's a blanket ban on all people from the UK.

Thats before we get to the whole msm HIV thing.

Actually mad cows disease makes for a very handy excuse evertime theres a blllod drive at work and questions get asked

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2010, 06:45:11 AM »
In my country it's now allowed.
But many MSM donate blood instead of getting tested the regular way.
No test is 100% perfect.
So, there have been 4 cases of people getting HIV from donated blood in the last 5 years:.

Because of high prevalence in MSM population (5%) [1000 times more than in the general population], and the window period, the Croatian government thinks it's better to prevent.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2010, 06:53:50 AM by elf »
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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2010, 09:34:16 AM »
This keeps getting brought up.  Honestly it sucks that we as an easily targetable group have a stigmatized blood/organ supply.  Them's the facts though.  Gay men are a very high risk group so it's easy to just go ahead and disclude them.  This is not homophobia as I'm pretty sure the question is "Men who have sex with men" and lesbians can just fly right on by.

According to...
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf

Gay men represent 4% of the total US population supposedly, but 50% of the diagnosed AIDS cases.  From an epidemiological standpoint it's just smarter to do it this way.  Sure they test it, but what if you were recently infected?  No antibodies, no positive result.  Life sucks and then you die.  Those of us who actually are positive going on and on about not being able to donate blood seems...a little odd?

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2010, 10:10:38 AM »

Sure they test it, but what if you were recently infected?  No antibodies, no positive result. 


They test the blood supply with NAT testing which will catch most new infections within a week or so.

I've said it before and no doubt I'll say it again - instead of asking people WHO they have sex with, they should be asking people HOW they have sex.

The question should be:

"Have you had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse with anyone of unknown or hiv positive status in the past three months?"

Forget this MSM crap - people who have sex with members of the opposite sex (PSOS?) get hiv too.

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2010, 10:19:10 AM »
They test the blood supply with NAT testing which will catch most new infections within a week or so.

I've said it before and no doubt I'll say it again - instead of asking people WHO they have sex with, they should be asking people HOW they have sex.

The question should be:

"Have you had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse with anyone of unknown or hiv positive status in the past three months?"

Forget this MSM crap - people who have sex with members of the opposite sex (PSOS?) get hiv too.



The problem with "most" is that it's not all.  One person gets an hiv+ blood transfusion and then they could answer "No I've never had unprotected sex in my entire life" and perpetuate the cycle.  It's a sticky subject and yes I do think they should ask if people have had unprotected sex but in the US, HIV is heavily concentrated amongst gay men and don't we know it.

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2010, 10:24:10 AM »

The question about unprotected sex is a much better one and will ultimately stop more people who may have been at risk from donating - both gay and straight. Just because there are fewer straights who are poz, in comparison to gay men, doesn't mean they aren't capable of tainting the blood supply.

After all, you said yourself that 50% of the people with hiv diagnosis are gay men, and that means the other 50% are straight. ::)

on edit

I missed what you said about transfusions. That's one of the questions and people who have had transfusions are banned from donating.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2010, 10:26:15 AM by Ann »
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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2010, 05:48:05 PM »
This keeps getting brought up.  Honestly it sucks that we as an easily targetable group have a stigmatized blood/organ supply.  Them's the facts though.  Gay men are a very high risk group so it's easy to just go ahead and disclude them.  This is not homophobia as I'm pretty sure the question is "Men who have sex with men" and lesbians can just fly right on by.

According to...
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf

Gay men represent 4% of the total US population supposedly, but 50% of the diagnosed AIDS cases.  From an epidemiological standpoint it's just smarter to do it this way.  Sure they test it, but what if you were recently infected?  No antibodies, no positive result.  Life sucks and then you die.  Those of us who actually are positive going on and on about not being able to donate blood seems...a little odd?

Actually this may have been 'smarter' from an epidemological standpoint when it was instituted, but it no longer is.  What we now have is a policy based on fear, misperception and history -- it is not based in fact.  Actually, I believe they main reason they won't drop this approach is that it would cause (undue) fear in the public -- people would not only refuse to receive blood, but also to donate blood.

I wrote a paper on this back on the 90's, while getting my MPH (epidemiology concentration) and I made the very point that Ann has here -- it's not about who you are or who you have sex with -- it is about how you have sex (protected / unprotected).  The current ban creates a false sense of security -- if we ban all the fags and drug addicts we'll be safe.  This is not true -- we are as safe as science can make us.  Even straight people find out they are positive upon donation -- wonder how many of them "slipped" through??  We have to rely on science, not emotion.

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2010, 07:10:08 PM »
Actually this may have been 'smarter' from an epidemological standpoint when it was instituted, but it no longer is.  What we now have is a policy based on fear, misperception and history -- it is not based in fact.  Actually, I believe they main reason they won't drop this approach is that it would cause (undue) fear in the public -- people would not only refuse to receive blood, but also to donate blood.

I wrote a paper on this back on the 90's, while getting my MPH (epidemiology concentration) and I made the very point that Ann has here -- it's not about who you are or who you have sex with -- it is about how you have sex (protected / unprotected).  The current ban creates a false sense of security -- if we ban all the fags and drug addicts we'll be safe.  This is not true -- we are as safe as science can make us.  Even straight people find out they are positive upon donation -- wonder how many of them "slipped" through??  We have to rely on science, not emotion.

Mike

If you really feel this way then the questionnaire portion of blood donation should be just be junked and instead we can skip directly to the eventual testing for everything in the blood product.  While I can see you and Ann as having reasonable points of view do you really think the questions asked are invalid?  The MSM question is just one in a series in an attempt to weed out contamination in the blood supply.  If you think that one is invalid then it follows that you assume the others are invalid as well.

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2010, 07:49:37 PM »
I'm with Hellraiser. It's the basic public policy dilemma - whether the offense caused to the profiled group is worth the incremental reduction in risk.

If one factor is responsible for a 100x increase in disease prevalence, it should be considered.
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Offline tednlou2

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2010, 09:28:52 PM »
There is an update to the gay donation story on poz.com--see link below 

I agree with Ann.  They should ask if you've had unprotected sex and not with whom.  I've talked about this before.  I went to donate blood back in the 90's at work.  I answered the question honestly.  I was turned away.  I'm pretty sure I was not HIV poz then.  My straight co-worker who I knew had tons of unprotected sex with women could donate.  The form didn't ask straight people whether they've had a lot of sex partners.  They only asked whether you've had sex with a man, injected drugs, or were a prostitute.

And, how many gay people answer that question honestly?  When you are face to face with someone asking that question, how many are honest?  It is just silly in my opinion.  I remember I called the local Red Cross about the issue.  They said they ask to insure the blood supply.  I kept asking how that would insure the blood supply.  I said wouldn't only testing the blood do that.  She said since HIV may not show up for a while, the blood may go out with tainted blood.  Well, I don't know if she knew what she was talking about.  That seems dangerous to me if they aren't making sure they are sure the blood isn't tainted by HIV, Hepatitis, and other STDs before giving it out.

The thing that has lowered transmissions via the blood supply is testing the blood, obviously, and stopping paying people for plasma where many of them were IV drug users looking for money.  It hasn't been asking Are you gay that has led to the dramatic decrease. 

 http://www.poz.com/articles/FDA_lift__ban_1_18468.shtml

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2010, 07:38:07 AM »
If you really feel this way then the questionnaire portion of blood donation should be just be junked and instead we can skip directly to the eventual testing for everything in the blood product.  While I can see you and Ann as having reasonable points of view do you really think the questions asked are invalid?  The MSM question is just one in a series in an attempt to weed out contamination in the blood supply.  If you think that one is invalid then it follows that you assume the others are invalid as well.

No, of course they shouldn't scrap the questionnaire, I am advocating changing it - you are missing the point -- most questions ask about health conditions, well-being, history of diseases, surgeries, etc -- they are not about who you are.  There is no scientific reason to ban a man who had sex with another man back in 1976 (and never since), yet the current policy does just that.  You are doing the same thing that the policy makers do -- avoiding the real question and throwing out red herrings.  

To be clear -- I am trying to speak from a point of knowledge -- although it's been a long time, I have worked in blood banks, cross-matching units for patients and in blood donor centers, testing donated blood.  I want a safe blood supply -- that is why I think this ban is nuts.  It simply doesn't protect -- it just makes many people FEEL it is more protected.

Mike

Edited to add:  This subject comes up a couple times every year and the fact that even those banned think it is a sound policy is one of the reasons why this ban has little chance of changing.  The PERCEPTION of safety that it gives is enough to keep it in place -- the fact that it doesn't really increase safety (and may, in fact, decrease it) doesn't matter.  So with that, I'll leave this debate, as I've seen over and over that it is not possible to change minds with science in this area.
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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2010, 09:25:03 AM »
No, of course they shouldn't scrap the questionnaire, I am advocating changing it - you are missing the point -- most questions ask about health conditions, well-being, history of diseases, surgeries, etc -- they are not about who you are.  There is no scientific reason to ban a man who had sex with another man back in 1976 (and never since), yet the current policy does just that.  You are doing the same thing that the policy makers do -- avoiding the real question and throwing out red herrings.  

To be clear -- I am trying to speak from a point of knowledge -- although it's been a long time, I have worked in blood banks, cross-matching units for patients and in blood donor centers, testing donated blood.  I want a safe blood supply -- that is why I think this ban is nuts.  It simply doesn't protect -- it just makes many people FEEL it is more protected.

Mike

Edited to add:  This subject comes up a couple times every year and the fact that even those banned think it is a sound policy is one of the reasons why this ban has little chance of changing.  The PERCEPTION of safety that it gives is enough to keep it in place -- the fact that it doesn't really increase safety (and may, in fact, decrease it) doesn't matter.  So with that, I'll leave this debate, as I've seen over and over that it is not possible to change minds with science in this area.

This actually probably more is an effect of the way I come across in text.  I can be persuaded, but I'm just expressing my point of view from a very concrete stance so as not to show weakness in my argument.  This actually extends to basically anything I write on here.  Politics, religion, beliefs, they are all malleable but in text I think the back and forth seems more tenacious.  I value your point of view and your expertise if you have a Masters in Public Health, but I do tend to disagree with you though.  I just like debating, arguing, or whatever you'd like to call it even if I'm only playing devil's advocate.

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2010, 02:45:31 AM »
Hi, Sorry-I know Im a little late to be replying to this post but rather late than never,ey!

there should really be TWO seperate departments for the Organ Donation Centers: 1 for Hiv- organs ,and 1 for Hiv+ organs.
This is really important because people who Hiv+ and are on the waiting list for Organs may be discriminated against because of their status..and honestly i would rather receive a Hiv+ liver or KIDNEY rather than none at all (If I were ever in the unfortunate situation of needing one.
I googled it and found an interesting page called:Transplanting hiv positive organs into hiv positive patients
sorry- I dont know how to create a hyperlink. :-\
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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2010, 12:15:13 PM »
What would be the best way to screen people who are giving blood, or do we even need to screen other than asking if the donor has tested positive for a blood borne illness? It seems like asking people to be honest about their sexual habits would be too inaccurate, so why even bother. Even if people were honest, excluding people who have had unprotected sex would exclude a lot of people. It wouldn't matter whether people were married or in a monogamous relationship because we know people cheat.

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2010, 05:24:48 PM »
This has nothing to do with Public Health in the United States, as nearly all, if not all, blood banks are Privately Owned and run on the profit motive.  They don't give a shit if you are Gay or Straight, just that you don't have HIV in your blood.  I have no idea about organ donation.
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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2010, 09:41:30 AM »
This actually probably more is an effect of the way I come across in text.  I can be persuaded, but I'm just expressing my point of view from a very concrete stance so as not to show weakness in my argument.  This actually extends to basically anything I write on here.  Politics, religion, beliefs, they are all malleable but in text I think the back and forth seems more tenacious.  I value your point of view and your expertise if you have a Masters in Public Health, but I do tend to disagree with you though.  I just like debating, arguing, or whatever you'd like to call it even if I'm only playing devil's advocate.

So, you come here to basicly fuck with the membership, and really don't have a quality thought to donate.  You simply come here to stir, and then watch the results. 

Are you actually HIV+, or are we all just a  bit part in  your lifewheel which spins out of control? 

On another note, how do you know the qualifications of anyone on this fourm?  By what they say?  Oh doggie are you screwed up.  I suggest you take your drama and "Devils Advocate" bullshit to another board where you are really needed.  Mostly your posts are simply filling this one with drivel, and sometimes conservative, hateful drivel at that.
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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2010, 03:02:40 PM »
So, you come here to basicly fuck with the membership, and really don't have a quality thought to donate.  You simply come here to stir, and then watch the results. 

Are you actually HIV+, or are we all just a  bit part in  your lifewheel which spins out of control? 

On another note, how do you know the qualifications of anyone on this fourm?  By what they say?  Oh doggie are you screwed up.  I suggest you take your drama and "Devils Advocate" bullshit to another board where you are really needed.  Mostly your posts are simply filling this one with drivel, and sometimes conservative, hateful drivel at that.

This post disgusts me and I hope you feel better soon so maybe you won't be so cranky.

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2010, 03:23:50 PM »
Up until Moffie's comment, the conversation had remained civil. Moffie, please help keep it that way. We don't have to agree with each other's viewpoints, or motivations for posting, but it drives people away from the forums when we start engaging in personally insulting posts like this. Please cool it. If you think someone is flame-baiting, then please contact a moderator. Warning issued.

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2010, 07:21:03 AM »
Ban on gay men donating blood upheld

A federal committee recommends maintaining the policy preventing gay men from donating blood in the United States, provoking disappointment and anger from gay activist groups.

The Federal Advisory Committee on Blood Safety and Availability voted 9 to 6 against lifting the ban Friday. This committee makes recommendations to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.


http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/14/ban-on-gay-men-donating-blood-upheld/?hpt=Sbin

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2010, 10:25:19 AM »
My ex who passed away last year was an organ donor. He had kidney problems and died fairly young so I'm guessing if they did use anything it would have been skin.

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2011, 07:20:08 AM »
Here in Canada if you are a man who has had sex with a man you are not allowed to donate blood. Doesn't matter if you don't have an infectious disease. If you are a man who has had sex with men you can't donate blood. A couple of years they started applying that rule for donating organs. Doesn't matter if you are one of the healthiest people in the world with no diseases, they won't take your organs if you are a man who has had sex with men. 

I was just curious if it is like that in the United States and other countries?
I am Canadian with HIV. I did not know they won't except blood even if your healthy as can be. That saddens me. In a world where we need blood and organs how can they descriminate. Are they afraid our liver would turn a straight guy gay? This really maddens me!!

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Re: Can gay men in your country donate blood and/or donate organs?
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2011, 11:41:12 AM »
I've heard that MSM blood could be okay only if MSM spent 1 month in the Blood donation center quarantine, without any exposure to other men.  :o
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