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Offline Matty the Damned

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The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« on: June 23, 2010, 08:13:31 AM »
It seems that we (Australia) may have a new Prime Minister in the next day or so.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's leadership is under siege tonight from some of the Labor Party's most influential factional warlords.

Factional support for Mr Rudd has collapsed around the country and the Australian Workers Union (AWU) is now supporting Ms Gillard.


Mr Rudd's deputy, Julia Gillard, would be Australia's first woman Prime Minister should the Federal Parliamentary Labor Party choose her to replace Mr Rudd as leader.

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For the record Matty the Damned is a member of the Australian Labor Party.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2010, 11:11:39 AM »
Hmmm, RŲhm-Putsch. That's one topic I'd never expect to find here. Have fun with the bloodshed.
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2010, 11:19:39 AM »
NotLK is an unfortunate phrase but it is customarily used to describe leadership disputes in the Australian Labor Party.

ALP politics is a vicious business.

Mr Rudd has been challenged by his deputy, Ms Gillard. Labor members of the Australian Parliament will vote on which of them should be leader (and thus Prime Minister) tomorrow morning at 9 AM Australian time.

Everything indicates that Ms Gillard (aka La Gillardine) will win the ballot and shortly thereafter the Governor-General will comission her to form a government.

Should she prevail, of course.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2010, 11:21:49 AM »
But will your internet still have a Chinese firewall, that's the question?
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2010, 11:26:20 AM »
But will your internet still have a Chinese firewall, that's the question?

No. The much feared Internet Filter has been shelved, NotLK notwithstanding.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2010, 06:54:06 PM »
No. The much feared Internet Filter has been shelved, NotLK notwithstanding.

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Until after the election someone said (?)  Must write to local members voicing disgust at it :-)
I hope the mining tax gets through!

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2010, 07:39:18 PM »
Australia has a new Prime Minister.

Julia Gillard has been elected unopposed as the 27th Prime Minister of Australia. She is the first female Prime Minister.

Kevin Rudd withdrew from the contest shortly before MPs were due to vote.

J,

NotLK == "Night of the Long Knives".

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2010, 07:50:23 PM »
Female huh?  That's great, but on the hand you're now as emasculated as the Kiwis, no?
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2010, 08:10:16 PM »
Female huh?  That's great, but on the hand you're now as emasculated as the Kiwis, no?

Her partner is a hairdresser, so go figure.

And, for the record, the PM of NZ is a man.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2010, 08:32:15 PM »
Oh my bad, didn't know Helen had departed.  Just shows you how much attention stuff like that gets on the news here.  In fact, I've not heard nary a mention of Australia's news with the Stanley "Bud Light Lime" McChrystal frenzy here all day.
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2010, 08:36:42 PM »
Oh my bad, didn't know Helen had departed.  Just shows you how much attention stuff like that gets on the news here.  In fact, I've not heard nary a mention of Australia's news with the Stanley "Bud Light Lime" McChrystal frenzy here all day.

Naturally. We're small and a long way away. This has it's advantages.

I imagine we'll rate a mention in the opening news section of Mr Lehrer's charming programme on PBS. :)

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2010, 08:03:43 AM »
No. The much feared Internet Filter has been shelved, NotLK notwithstanding.

MtD
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It's only shelved because they didn't have the balls to bring the proposed legislation to parliament in the run up to the next election. They didn't want another negative story to impact on their support. My understanding is (at least prior to today's events) that the legislation is ready to go, they are just waiting for the right time.

And to call it 'much feared' is an overstatement. Unfortunately, only a small minority within the chattering classes seem to care. Whenever they conduct surveys, around 80-85% of the people seem to support the filter.

Personally, I think the real debate in this country should not be about ISP filtering itself, but about what we censor across the board. The proposed ISP filter only blocks material that is already censored (refused classification) in every other form in this country. The breadth of material that this country refuses its citizens access to is astonishing.
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2010, 09:38:03 AM »
It's only shelved because they didn't have the balls to bring the proposed legislation to parliament in the run up to the next election. They didn't want another negative story to impact on their support. My understanding is (at least prior to today's events) that the legislation is ready to go, they are just waiting for the right time.

And to call it 'much feared' is an overstatement. Unfortunately, only a small minority within the chattering classes seem to care. Whenever they conduct surveys, around 80-85% of the people seem to support the filter.

Personally, I think the real debate in this country should not be about ISP filtering itself, but about what we censor across the board. The proposed ISP filter only blocks material that is already censored (refused classification) in every other form in this country. The breadth of material that this country refuses its citizens access to is astonishing.


Hyperbole. I was using it.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2010, 02:02:48 PM »
I followed this with interest.  Its fascinating to see how the Commonwealth countries handle this differently, despite the shared parliamentary heritage.  In Canada it would be unheard of for a leader 9let alone PM) to be dumped this way without a leadership convention, even losing an election doesn't mean the party leader will be dethroned. 
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2010, 03:00:59 PM »
Her partner is a hairdresser, so go figure.

And, for the record, the PM of NZ is a man.

MtD

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2010, 04:57:16 PM »
I followed this with interest.  Its fascinating to see how the Commonwealth countries handle this differently, despite the shared parliamentary heritage.  In Canada it would be unheard of for a leader 9let alone PM) to be dumped this way without a leadership convention, even losing an election doesn't mean the party leader will be dethroned. 

The ruthless removal of parliamentary leaders is not uncommon down here. K-Rudd flew unbelievably high for two years, but in the last six months his polling crashed and, with a General Election later this year, the backbenchers got panicky.

Politics is, in its essence, a supremely unsenitmental business. Though we've never put the spear through a first term PM before.

Kevin's final press conference was heartbreaking to watch. He is shattered by his removal and broke down several times during the presser. He intends to remain in Parliament, which is good. Most former leaders depart the scene. To his credit he attended Question Time as a backbencher yesterday.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2010, 08:12:23 PM »
The ruthless removal of parliamentary leaders is not uncommon down here. K-Rudd flew unbelievably high for two years, but in the last six months his polling crashed and, with a General Election later this year, the backbenchers got panicky.

Politics is, in its essence, a supremely unsenitmental business. Though we've never put the spear through a first term PM before.

Kevin's final press conference was heartbreaking to watch. He is shattered by his removal and broke down several times during the presser. He intends to remain in Parliament, which is good. Most former leaders depart the scene. To his credit he attended Question Time as a backbencher yesterday.

MtD

I kinda feel sad for him, was he at least any good as a prime minister?  Perhaps making unpopular principled decisions?

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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2010, 08:34:03 PM »
I have enormous respect for Kevin.

In 2007 he (along with Julia Gillard) led my Party to victory over the odious conservative regime of John Howard.

He apologised to the Stolen Generations of Aboriginal Australia. His government ended the vicious Workchoices labour law system imposed by the conservatives, introduced important law reforms for GLBTI people and ratified the Kyoto Protocol.

His government guided Australia through the GFC with almost no ill effects when compared with other developed countries. His policies kept people in work and our economy functioning.

He is a fundamentally decent fellow. He rose to the position of Federal Leader of the Australian Labor Party, the greatest honour a Labor person can aspire to.

Kevin has problems communicating with people. He often cast things (such as climate change) in moral terms and when one does that, it allows no room for negotiation. When he abandoned the Carbon Reduction Scheme earlier this year (the legislation was blocked in our Senate) he betrayed the base of the Party and lost standing with the electorate.

He also ignored the collegial conventions of Australian government. He attempted to run the country from his office, not via the agency of Cabinet. An Australian Prime Minister is first amongst equals, who must rule in consultation with his ministers.

He has an abrasive personal style and, most seriously, had no real factional base in the Party. The ALP is intensely tribal. You live and die on the basis of your factional allegiances. A Leader who loses the support of the factional warlords is doomed, particularly when there is an election in the near future.

So as PM he was something of a Curate's Egg. He was good in parts.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2010, 05:29:52 PM »
First woman PM, first red head PM, and now our first confirmed ATHEIST as PM.

For the PM to admit that she does not believe in God is an incredibly brave move. I think she/her party may have just won my vote. Go Julia.
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2010, 06:20:58 PM »
I hear Julia's fretting about Australia's 22 million population being too large.  Hold me while I laugh riotously.
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2010, 07:26:14 PM »
I hear Julia's fretting about Australia's 22 million population being too large.  Hold me while I laugh riotously.

If that's what you've heard then you need to clean the shit out of your ears.

Our previous PM (some bloke called Kevin) had stumped in favour of population growth and a "big Australia" in response to news that our population could reach 35-40 million by 2050. He appointed a Minister for Population to deal with the issue. Or at least give the appearance that the Feds were dealing with the issue.

This caused not inconsiderable fuss on the Left of politics. Julia (in an effort to differentiate herself from her predecessor) came out in favour of "sustainable" population growth and suggested that an uncontrolled increase in population was not necessarily favourable.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2010, 08:25:54 PM »
We have 40 million people along just a 200 mile stretch of I-95 here.  Get it together, folks.
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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2010, 08:40:54 PM »
We have 40 million people along just a 200 mile stretch of I-95 here.  Get it together, folks.

Yeah, and most of the Australian landmass is arid or desert. Bald heads would be badly sun burnt.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2010, 08:49:04 PM »
Yeah, and most of the Australian landmass is arid or desert. Bald heads would be badly sun burnt.

MtD

You've obviously never been to southern California.  Fatso's would perspire.
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2010, 09:17:58 PM »
Water is the sticking point Philly. Aus is the driest inhabited continent, mostly arid or semi arid. The bits that aren't tend to have highly variable rainfall. 
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2010, 09:27:45 PM »
I realize it's dry, that's why I threw in southern California as a comparison.  Same thing.  Smaller land area, same amount of people, just as arid. 

Otherwise I'm mostly just trolling Matty.
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« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2010, 10:01:11 PM »
I crave the attention. :)

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2010, 10:07:00 PM »
I realize it's dry, that's why I threw in southern California as a comparison.  Same thing.  Smaller land area, same amount of people, just as arid. 

Otherwise I'm mostly just trolling Matty.

With an atheist as PM we are bound to suffer with more droughts and plagues and things
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« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2010, 10:10:17 PM »
With an atheist as PM we are bound to suffer with more droughts and plagues and things

Well she's attempted to head off the worst of Jesus' Holy Wrath by underlining her opposition to gay marriage.

So that something at least. :)

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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2010, 12:24:59 AM »
Well she's attempted to head off the worst of Jesus' Holy Wrath by underlining her opposition to gay marriage.

So that something at least. :)

MtD

An atheist who has it out for gays?  Is that just her being political or does she just hate homos?

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« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2010, 12:42:52 AM »
An atheist who has it out for gays?  Is that just her being political or does she just hate homos?

The National Platform of the ALP establishes that marriage is restricted to heterosexuals. The Platform is binding on all Party members and can only be amended by the National Conference of the Party.

National Conference sat last year and rejected attempts to amend the marriage provisions of the Platform.

As the Leader of the Party Julia must honour the National Platform.

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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2010, 08:36:04 PM »
We should also mention that the ALP did amend something like 100 pieces of legislation to remove discrimination against same sex partners. Apart from not being able to legally marry, I'm not aware of any other area of govt law or policy where we are discriminated against.
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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2010, 08:49:38 PM »
We should also mention that the ALP did amend something like 100 pieces of legislation to remove discrimination against same sex partners. Apart from not being able to legally marry, I'm not aware of any other area of govt law or policy where we are discriminated against.

Precisely. There are still areas of reform to be undertaken, but these are primarily at a State level. Really the focus should be on the position of transgender folk -- who really have some things to complain about down here.

Gay marriage is such an impossible issue. Around 35% of Australians still hold a negative view of homosexuals and homosexuality. Religious leaders exercise political power here far beyond the support they enjoy in the wider community.

The Prime Minister simply cannot allow this issue to dominate the agenda the way it is allowed to dominate in the United States. It is the supreme diversion. There are far more important matters that the Australian Government must attend to than whether or not two blokes and a bichon frise should be recongised as a family for the purposes of the Marriage Act and/or the Family Law Act.

Realpolitik is a bitch I guess.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2010, 02:51:01 AM »
The ruthless removal of parliamentary leaders is not uncommon down here. K-Rudd flew unbelievably high for two years, but in the last six months his polling crashed and, with a General Election later this year, the backbenchers got panicky...
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Very ruthless indeed.  Reminded me of Baroness Thatcher getting the boots from the Tories.  Here even the hapless Stťphane Dion who led the Liberals (aka the Natural Governing Party) to their worst defeat, was allowed to leave on his own terms.

As noted, Commonwealth parliaments all have a slightly different take.  Witness the handwringing before the last UK election over a possible minority government, when we've had several.  Or our own odious Tory PM's disparagement of coalition governments even while trying to cozy up to David Cameron, proprietor of the same!
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« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2010, 03:19:08 AM »
Very ruthless indeed.  Reminded me of Baroness Thatcher getting the boots from the Tories.  Here even the hapless Stťphane Dion who led the Liberals (aka the Natural Governing Party) to their worst defeat, was allowed to leave on his own terms.

As noted, Commonwealth parliaments all have a slightly different take.  Witness the handwringing before the last UK election over a possible minority government, when we've had several.  Or our own odious Tory PM's disparagement of coalition governments even while trying to cozy up to David Cameron, proprietor of the same!

Ruthless but clean and relatively painless. Leadership changes so often involve extended periods of internal destabilisation which damage the Party. This way Kevin still has the prospect of a senior cabinet position in the future.

The Tories down here always govern in a coalition at the Federal level. The Liberal Party (meaning conservative party) requires the support of the rurally based National Party to form a majority.

The ALP almost never governs in coalition - though the Tasmanian state government is a coalition of Greens and the ALP.

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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2010, 06:39:25 PM »
So what's the inside scoop from Oz?  Is Lady Macbeth going to go down to defeat next week?

I have no idea what her opponent stands for but if he's on the Right he must be a rotter, though I do have a secret penchant for middle aged men in speedos:
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« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2010, 06:53:29 PM »
So what's the inside scoop from Oz?  Is Lady Macbeth going to go down to defeat next week?

I have no idea what her opponent stands for but if he's on the Right he must be a rotter, though I do have a secret penchant for middle aged men in speedos:
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It's been pretty grim for our side. The second and third weeks of the campaign were pretty much washed out by bungling. Former party leaders making bastards of themselves and the like.

We seem to have corrected sail last week and hopefully this week we'll make it to Saturday without shitting the electoral bed.

The polls are impossible to read. Western Sydney (traditionally a Labor stronghold) is looking dodgy, largely as a result of state government issues but race is playing a part. Queensland is a mess as our previous PM Kevin, is a native son of the Northern State.

I just want it to be over. I hate democracy.

I see you've discovered Tony (the Mad Monk) Abbott's penchant for wearing Not Very Much:


From the neck down, he's not too bad. He's an egregious conservative, though.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2010, 01:12:11 AM »
Uh oh, by the "mad monk" moniker do I take it he's an Uber-Catholic?  Oh well, I'm sure I could find some attractive left-leaning middle aged Aussie speedo wearers. ;)

I saw on BBC that Gillard had to bring Rudd back in for a photo-op to bolster the polls.  They did not look like a happy couple!
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2010, 01:15:46 AM »
Uh oh, by the "mad monk" moniker do I take it he's an Uber-Catholic?  Oh well, I'm sure I could find some attractive left-leaning middle aged Aussie speedo wearers. ;)

I saw on BBC that Gillard had to bring Rudd back in for a photo-op to bolster the polls.  They did not look like a happy couple!

Australia's senior Cardinal is the fucker's personal confessor. Decent campaign launch by the Ranga-in-Chief today though.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2010, 02:19:34 AM »
I've not seen anything on today's labor party launch - having a job and all, but I cannot help but think Mr Rabbit will put his foot in it tonight. Well, that's what I'm hoping.

They can script him and train him up and he seems half decent to the average racist, xenophobic and just downright stupid Australian punter. Ask him a question he has not been trained to answer and he invariably says dumb things ie the nbn.
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2010, 05:13:46 PM »
already posted my vote in!

I live in hope that Abbott does not get into power, all hail our ranga overlord !! :-)

(when will it be polite to get a paintball gun, go election poster hunting??)

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2010, 05:15:03 PM »
already posted my vote in!

I live in hope that Abbott does not get into power, all hail our ranga overlord !! :-)

(when will it be polite to get a paintball gun, go election poster hunting??)

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I'm reliably informed that acetone or nail polish remover loaded into a super soaker is best for dealing with election corflutes. :)

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2010, 05:17:50 PM »
I'm reliably informed that acetone or nail polish remover loaded into a super soaker is best for dealing with election corflutes. :)

MtD

I have no idea what that would do, but it sounds scary...

I wonder if we could have Prime Ministerial wedding ..... Bob Brown could be one of Julia's bridesmaids (he was just on the morning today show)

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« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2010, 05:40:50 PM »
I have no idea what that would do, but it sounds scary...

Makes 'em melt. Or so I'm told.

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I wonder if we could have Prime Ministerial wedding ..... Bob Brown could be one of Julia's bridesmaids (he was just on the morning today show)

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And Barnaby Joyce could be the creepy drunken uncle who gives the smutty speech at the reception before feeling up one of the flower girls. :)


Well with that I'm off to hand out How to Votes at the Boolaboolabongbong pre-poll booth and bingo hall.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2010, 12:07:08 PM »
No result tonight. We may end up with a hung parliament and minority govt. ie, they were both so pathetic we couldn't make up our mind.
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« Reply #45 on: August 21, 2010, 02:26:18 PM »
For Australian conservatives this election has been a triumph.

No result tonight. We may end up with a hung parliament and minority govt. ie, they were both so pathetic we couldn't make up our mind.

Quite. We will have the government we deserve.

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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #46 on: August 21, 2010, 09:02:21 PM »
Oh dear.  Not the result I know you were hoping for.  Still, minority parliaments aren't always a terrible thing.  helps keep the conservatives in check, if they end up with the most seats.  Our Tories have been reduced to little sideshows to keep their base happy (ie. scrapping the long form census) cause they can't push through their most draconian policies.

Now the "Big 3" parliaments all have minority gov't: UK, Canada & Australia.  As society fragments that may be the shape of things to come.
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2010, 09:10:42 PM »
"Big 3"?
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2010, 09:14:50 PM »
will be an interesting few days as the voting in several seats comes down to the wire and we figure out who has the most seats and who can do a deal with the Greens and independents. we don't even know which of the majors will have the most seats yet, but it is looking like the conservatives will have 1 or 2 more.
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Re: The Night of the Long Knives, Australian Style
« Reply #49 on: August 21, 2010, 09:15:48 PM »
"Big 3"?

Yeah. I had a chuckle too. Maybe the big 3 in the Commonwealth!
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