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Author Topic: "The View" Discusses The Ban On Gays Donating Blood  (Read 6690 times)

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Offline Ann

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Re: "The View" Discusses The Ban On Gays Donating Blood
« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2010, 08:32:06 AM »
Boze, You really do need to start doing some thinking before you post such inane topic suggestions. This isn't the first time you've done this sort of thing here, but it had better be the last. Got it?

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Re: "The View" Discusses The Ban On Gays Donating Blood
« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2010, 11:40:21 AM »
I realize this is sensitive - so apologize for treading on uncomfortable issues. But I assure you that I'm just intellectually curious, not a bit 'anti-what-you-are' :) Hellraiser got it right - it's like I  come from a different planet, unencumbered by taboos or topics closed for discussion. So think of me as a friendly alien who needs to be explained things you take for granted.

But you are not an alien and certainly not friendly, so drop that intellectually bankrupt argument right now. The reason that gays cannot donate blood or sperm, get married, adopt children and a myriad of other things, is because of people who think, speak and act, just like you. You seem to believe that curiosity justifies your saying whatever you want, as if you bear no personal responsibility, for the beliefs you espouse. You can try and couch them as honest queries, but when you use terms such as "your kind", it becomes obvious that you are just another homophobic person, who is incapable of displaying respect for anyone, who is different from you or hold views that you do not share.

I have had to suffer people like you, my entire life and the last place I expect to find homophobes like you, is on a forum that is heavily populated by decent, caring people, many of whom, just happen to be gay. You seem to be confused about what being gay means. The term encompasses much more than an attraction for the same sex and we each remain individual and unique individuals. Being gay is part of who and what I am, it does not define who and what I am.

Personally I find you to be a disgusting human being and I eagerly await the news that you have been banned from these forums. In the past six months, this forum has lost three beloved members and nobody cares if they were gay, straight or whatever. What mattered was who they were, what they did and how much they were loved. There is no room here, ever, for anyone who thinks they can spew whatever hatred and not be called to task for it. However, what I find most distasteful, is your thinking you can conceal your hate-filled views, under the cloak of intellectual curiosity. Not very smart... not smart at all and totally unacceptable.

In the end Boze, while I would like to understand your views, I am afraid that there is simply, not enough room, up your ass, for both of our heads.  ;D




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Re: "The View" Discusses The Ban On Gays Donating Blood
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2010, 03:05:46 PM »
Boze I guess i was the only one who understood you were asking in theory and not espousing your personal view.  Merde les gens ici peuvent etre tellement 1er dègre!
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Re: "The View" Discusses The Ban On Gays Donating Blood
« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2010, 03:08:56 PM »
Boze I guess i was the only one who understood you were asking in theory and not espousing your personal view.  Merde les gens ici peuvent etre tellement 1er dègre!

I caught that he didn't necessarily think that way, although he didn't specifically state he doesn't.  However, this is kind of a sensitive issue not necessarily for me, but I can see where others could be offended by it.

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Re: "The View" Discusses The Ban On Gays Donating Blood
« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2010, 03:22:04 PM »
Good news.  

There's something in media studies called "The Jerry Springer We".  He was a clever guy who decided to incite people to be incredibly lowbrow. Then at the end he would give a "we" statement of common wisdom truths and we the audience were supposed to join him in admonishment of the lowbrow lowlife offenses we just watched (and enjoyed thoroughly, thinking ourselves better).  However the cynical view was that "we" were therefore duped as well because nothing was real - neither the lowlife, nor the common wisdom.  And we couldn't really know what Jerry Springer thought, because he was speaking in tongues.  

Most talk shows were infected with this weird fakeness by the end of the 90's.

Internet boards are rife with the "we".  You simply have to make an effort to decide if something is personal or mostly for the sake of discussion, if it is ironic or sarcastic or earnest.   
« Last Edit: June 25, 2010, 03:24:58 PM by mecch »
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Re: "The View" Discusses The Ban On Gays Donating Blood
« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2010, 03:39:04 PM »
I caught that he didn't necessarily think that way, although he didn't specifically state he doesn't.  However, this is kind of a sensitive issue not necessarily for me, but I can see where others could be offended by it.

My issue with his comments, are the atmosphere in which he presents them. When you start throwing around terms like "your kind" or "you people", it is speech, meant to demean and nothing more. I am old enough to remember when "you people" was used against blacks, Jews or other minority groups and it is as demeaning and unacceptable now, as it was then. Can you not see that it is beliefs, shared by him, codified into laws or rules, that classifies gays as second class citizens? It is because of this prejudice that we cannot donate blood or the myriad of other things that we are barred from.

When you give a platform to hate speech and make no mistake, his is hate speech, you give legitimacy to those views. It may seem a minor point, but not all speech is equal, nor deserving of any platform from which to spew those views. I believe that so many people today, do not understand the damage that hate speech engenders. It always starts with a thought, put into words and often resulting in oppression of the target group. Even the US Supreme Court has ruled that not all speech is protected by the First Amendment and certainly not in a forum, so heavily populated by gays.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2010, 03:42:25 PM by killfoile »

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Re: "The View" Discusses The Ban On Gays Donating Blood
« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2010, 03:58:19 PM »
MTD routinely uses all kinds of faggot insults on other fags in these forums.  I dont really love it when he does it to me but I also know its between two fags so I'm not supposed to be offended. I'm supposed to know hes not a homophobic faggot!
Now how do you know Boze didnt use such expressions as "your kind" in some sort of clumsy attempt to show the opposite of homophobia.  As in, ironic, "speaking in tongues" use.

I never got a homophobic vibe from Boze. More like a gadfly and intellectual who likes to argue for the sake of arguing. 

You know, this forum welcomes all members with open arms. But when a newbie or newish member wants to start contributing to general discussions about wide ranging topics, he or she has to "muscle in" a little bit.
And then the shit parade rain starts, from established members who don't take to being muscled on the dance floor.  I think many of you could recognise this happens, and somehow be a little less personal with the criticisms and outright character attacks.

I don't think I have ever intended to offend someone though surely I have done so clumsily or inadvertently. A clumsy offense is still an offense, and can be called out, but its not a sign of some evil or dispicable character. 

The vituperative, personal attacks I sometimes get from long established members is surprising!
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Re: "The View" Discusses The Ban On Gays Donating Blood
« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2010, 04:15:25 PM »
As nobody has taken any interest in bringing the conversation back to its original intent, I'm locking this one up.

Oh, and Joe (Killfoile), taking issue with Boze's statement -- no matter what its intent -- is one thing, calling him a "disgusting human being" is another thing entirely. Consider yourself warned.

Tim

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Re: "The View" Discusses The Ban On Gays Donating Blood
« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2010, 04:30:45 PM »
Damn! Tim beat me to slamming down the locker on this one! I almost turned the lock this morning. Seems too much got stirred up to stay on subject. 

In the meantime, whether you are gay or stragiht, go on out now and have a great, safe and enjoyable Pride weekend.

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