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Author Topic: Reduced VL (19-4k) but I started ARV yesterday  (Read 9035 times)

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Offline Ann

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Re: Reduced VL (19-4k) but I started ARV yesterday
« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2010, 09:04:06 AM »




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Re: Reduced VL (19-4k) but I started ARV yesterday
« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2010, 10:46:08 AM »
;D

Oh that's rich. :)

If nothing else I like to think of the service we do your wife. At least when you're online braying at us it gives that poor bedevilled woman a few hours peace.

MtD

It has been suggested that this post has crossed a line which should not be crossed.

This is indeed correct. I should not have dragged Borezl's wife into this rather tacky exchange. It has lowered the tone of this thread and detracted from what has been a particularly uplifting and edifying discourse.

I apologise to the Community for my lapse of tact and judgement.

MtD

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Re: Reduced VL (19-4k) but I started ARV yesterday
« Reply #52 on: June 11, 2010, 11:21:20 AM »
touche!
==========
Aug08 - Seroconversion
Mar10 - Diagnosis; cd4 690 - VL 19,000
Apr10 - cd4 600
May10 - VL 4,500
Jun10 - started Atripla ; VL 113
Jul 10 - UD vl, CD4 590
Aug 10 - UD, CD4 810, 52%
Nov 10 - UD, CD4 980

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Re: Reduced VL (19-4k) but I started ARV yesterday
« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2010, 11:42:24 AM »
It's certainly a list of supplement that Samantha would approve.

(Those who have watched Sex and the City 2 would know..)  ;)

Tongue in cheek aside..

Good luck with your liver.
Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
July 11 CD=520 (28%)/VL=UD
Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
Aug 12 CD=657 (29%)/VL=UD(<20)
Dec 12 CD=532 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
May 13 CD=567 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
Jan 14 CD=521 (21%)/VL=UD(<50)

Offline Boze

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Re: Reduced VL (19-4k) but I started ARV yesterday
« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2010, 11:44:41 AM »
Good luck drinking water

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865/
==========
Aug08 - Seroconversion
Mar10 - Diagnosis; cd4 690 - VL 19,000
Apr10 - cd4 600
May10 - VL 4,500
Jun10 - started Atripla ; VL 113
Jul 10 - UD vl, CD4 590
Aug 10 - UD, CD4 810, 52%
Nov 10 - UD, CD4 980

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Re: Reduced VL (19-4k) but I started ARV yesterday
« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2010, 11:49:56 AM »
Borzel, you are getting obtuse now, and making your own arguments shallow in the extreme.  Don't you think it is time to maybe accept that you made an erronious postulation and leave it at that?
The Bible contains 6 admonishments to homosexuals,
and 362 to heterosexuals.
This doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals,
It's just that they need more supervision.
Lynn Lavne

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Re: Reduced VL (19-4k) but I started ARV yesterday
« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2010, 11:52:19 AM »
Good luck drinking water

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865/

Easy dude.. you're the one who's taking those pills, and I don't see myself entering a water drinking contest like, er, ever.

Actually before clicking that link I thought it could be one of those stories about the nutty water fluoridation conspiracy.
Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
July 11 CD=520 (28%)/VL=UD
Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
Aug 12 CD=657 (29%)/VL=UD(<20)
Dec 12 CD=532 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
May 13 CD=567 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
Jan 14 CD=521 (21%)/VL=UD(<50)

Offline Boze

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Re: Reduced VL (19-4k) but I started ARV yesterday
« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2010, 12:23:46 PM »
Borzel, you are getting obtuse now, and making your own arguments shallow in the extreme.  Don't you think it is time to maybe accept that you made an erronious postulation and leave it at that?

Which postulation is that?
 
Easy dude.. you're the one who's taking those pills, and I don't see myself entering a water drinking contest like, er, ever.

Actually before clicking that link I thought it could be one of those stories about the nutty water fluoridation conspiracy.

Don't you see the equivalence? You show me a story about some nut who overdosed on supplements (guy was taking steroids as well - just to illustrate the character involved), I show you another story about an idiot who died drinking too much water. Both stories are about one individual doing harm to their body by taking too much of what is otherwise reasonable susbtance.
Moreover - I have made it abundantly clear that I support early start of HAART and that supplements should only be used before one's CD4 count drops to a level that warrants starting it.
Therefore I find your example spurious and ill-fitting.
==========
Aug08 - Seroconversion
Mar10 - Diagnosis; cd4 690 - VL 19,000
Apr10 - cd4 600
May10 - VL 4,500
Jun10 - started Atripla ; VL 113
Jul 10 - UD vl, CD4 590
Aug 10 - UD, CD4 810, 52%
Nov 10 - UD, CD4 980

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Re: Reduced VL (19-4k) but I started ARV yesterday
« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2010, 12:32:07 PM »
Which postulation is that?
 
Don't you see the equivalence? You show me a story about some nut who overdosed on supplements (guy was taking steroids as well - just to illustrate the character involved), I show you another story about an idiot who died drinking too much water. Both stories are about one individual doing harm to their body by taking too much of what is otherwise reasonable susbtance.
Moreover - I have made it abundantly clear that I support early start of HAART and that supplements should only be used before one's CD4 count drops to a level that warrants starting it.
Therefore I find your example spurious and ill-fitting.


So here's the dealio.

You've elected to take the pills, which makes you just like the rest of us. Your viral load will soon hit undetectable and your CD4 count will rise in a commensurate fashion.

These things cannot be helped.

Nobody cares what you think about early treatment or the administration of decoction of milk-thistle as an alternative to HAART or whatever.

Why not be a nice chap, put the stick down and step away from the dead equine, eh?

MtD

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Re: Reduced VL (19-4k) but I started ARV yesterday
« Reply #59 on: June 11, 2010, 12:34:01 PM »
Which postulation is that?
 
Moreover - I have made it abundantly clear that I support early start of HAART and that supplements should only be used before one's CD4 count drops to a level that warrants starting it.

Sorry Borzel, can't stick around, gotta get back in bed and nurse my fever.  Shit, I hate being sick.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2010, 12:37:20 PM by Moffie65 »
The Bible contains 6 admonishments to homosexuals,
and 362 to heterosexuals.
This doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals,
It's just that they need more supervision.
Lynn Lavne

Offline Boze

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Re: Reduced VL (19-4k) but I started ARV yesterday
« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2010, 12:56:12 PM »
So here's the dealio.

You've elected to take the pills, which makes you just like the rest of us. Your viral load will soon hit undetectable and your CD4 count will rise in a commensurate fashion.

These things cannot be helped.

Nobody cares what you think about early treatment or the administration of decoction of milk-thistle as an alternative to HAART or whatever.

Why not be a nice chap, put the stick down and step away from the dead equine, eh?

MtD

I guess my nuanced position was too nuanced for some to bear. Just to sum up:

1) I'm all for early start of HAART and believe it to be the only way to defeat HIV
2) I fully allow that certain individuals may want to wait before until their CD4 drops to a certain level before starting HAART
3) I believe that it is in their interest to research what "supplements" - minerals/vitamins/herbals/anti-herpes drugs  - they can take in order to prolong the time frame until their CD4 drop to the level that warrants HAART. Studies have found certain substances to be beneficial to HIV+ individuals.
4) I put together a list of such substances using the information found on this forum. I started using this mix myself for a short period, over which my VL dropped. I accept that it could happen independent from one another.

I really don't see what is so contentious about my position and why this continues to generate debate. I am putting the gun down and backing away...
==========
Aug08 - Seroconversion
Mar10 - Diagnosis; cd4 690 - VL 19,000
Apr10 - cd4 600
May10 - VL 4,500
Jun10 - started Atripla ; VL 113
Jul 10 - UD vl, CD4 590
Aug 10 - UD, CD4 810, 52%
Nov 10 - UD, CD4 980

 


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