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Author Topic: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT  (Read 8902 times)

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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2010, 05:47:21 PM »
I personally feel things have gotten MORE conservative and backwards... :-\

Than in the 1930s?

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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2010, 06:19:00 PM »
Than in the 1930s?


Well, let's see - up until 1937 pot was legal... Homosexuality was mostly overlooked and no big deal.. Yeah, I'd say so.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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« Reply #52 on: June 09, 2010, 06:30:32 PM »
Well, let's see - up until 1937 pot was legal... Homosexuality was mostly overlooked and no big deal.. Yeah, I'd say so.

Ok pot being legal I can dig, but I think you need to back up the assertion "homosexuality was mostly overlooked and no big deal" with some evidence.

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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2010, 06:31:31 PM »
Ok pot being legal I can dig, but I think you need to back up the assertion "homosexuality was mostly overlooked and no big deal" with some evidence.


Such as?
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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« Reply #54 on: June 09, 2010, 07:35:52 PM »
Such as?

I dunno boy. You're making the assertion, the onus of proof rests with you.

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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #55 on: June 09, 2010, 07:39:47 PM »
I dunno boy. You're making the assertion, the onus of proof rests with you.

Understood, but what do you consider "proof"?
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2010, 07:47:01 PM »
Understood, but what do you consider "proof"?

Something must have made you draw the conclusion that "homosexuality was mostly overlooked and no big deal" in the 1930s.

What was that something?

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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #57 on: June 09, 2010, 07:51:00 PM »
Something must have made you draw the conclusion that "homosexuality was mostly overlooked and no big deal" in the 1930s.

What was that something?

Well, I have heard several military guys state that up until DADT and all of the fervor raised over it that homosexuality in the military was not a big deal at all - and know of 2 friends of my father that were homosexual and grew-up in the same time period (he was born in 1937 also)... And it simply wasn't publicly discussed one way or the other, for or against.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #58 on: June 10, 2010, 04:35:05 AM »
I personally feel things have gotten MORE conservative and backwards... :-\

I am convinced that is NOT TRUE.  There has been so much progress for the civil rights of Gays and Lesbians (and everything inbetween homo and hetero and male and female).

However we live in a very mediated age where its easy for the minority on any side of an issue to make themselves heard. And its much easier to engage in depate - the Internet is a 24/7 soapbox. That doesn't mean people go about their days 24/7 explicitly fighting political and cultural battles.

Since civil rights for gays are going forward at a steady clip, there is bound to be, in this media age, a large display of all the ways people are uncomfortable having to adjust their worldviews. 

Pleasantly, I find the younger generation has plenty of chilled-out souls without any feelings of disgust or threat about gay/lesbians issues. 

I don't see the situation as ideal or close to resolution, I dont have rose coloured glasses, but I do feel like there is steady progress.
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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #59 on: June 10, 2010, 09:39:42 AM »
Well, I have heard several military guys state that up until DADT and all of the fervor raised over it that homosexuality in the military was not a big deal at all - and know of 2 friends of my father that were homosexual and grew-up in the same time period (he was born in 1937 also)... And it simply wasn't publicly discussed one way or the other, for or against.
Well, let's not forget Oscar Wilde, the famous author.  In his time, being Gay was a crime and one could be sent to jail, which is no picnic.  I like to think of the good old days also, but let's not forget of the social, economical, gender, race, creed and color issues.  It is not like the movies or plays my dear.  If you lived in those times, you may find yourself downtrodden or invisible.  Depending on what social status and country you were born into, life was either a bowl of cherries or definitely not a bed of roses.  Although, it must be said that much has changed, some for the better and some for the worst.
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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #60 on: June 10, 2010, 10:35:23 AM »
Well, I have heard several military guys state that up until DADT and all of the fervor raised over it that homosexuality in the military was not a big deal at all - and know of 2 friends of my father that were homosexual and grew-up in the same time period (he was born in 1937 also)... And it simply wasn't publicly discussed one way or the other, for or against.

Homosexuality was both illegal and classified as a mental illness during that time.

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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #61 on: June 10, 2010, 11:55:22 AM »
Well, let's not forget Oscar Wilde, the famous author.  In his time, being Gay was a crime and one could be sent to jail, which is no picnic.

Oscar Wilde was also a pedophile that liked 12-year-old boys....
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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« Reply #62 on: June 10, 2010, 04:20:04 PM »
Oscar Wilde was also a pedophile that liked 12-year-old boys....


::)

Again evidence? And this time it better be something more than what your Pa told you when you was a young 'un in Crow's Ass Indiana.

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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #63 on: June 10, 2010, 05:30:37 PM »
::)

Again evidence? And this time it better be something more than what your Pa told you when you was a young 'un in Crow's Ass Indiana.

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Um, duh... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde

He hung-out with a child ("Bosie" aka little Lord Douglas), introduced him to what is now called "rent-boys" and is also believed to have sodomized him & participated in orgies with him.

Got that, "city-slicker"? Even us "dumb hicks from Indiana" know that isn't right...
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2010, 05:55:54 PM »
Peeps, please lower the heat level some before it gets problematic in here.

Thanks for your cooperation.
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« Reply #65 on: June 10, 2010, 07:05:25 PM »
Um, duh... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde

He hung-out with a child ("Bosie" aka little Lord Douglas), introduced him to what is now called "rent-boys" and is also believed to have sodomized him & participated in orgies with him.

Got that, "city-slicker"? Even us "dumb hicks from Indiana" know that isn't right...

I meant to respond to this earlier, but I was busy taking a shit.

Oscar met Alfred, Lord Douglas (aka Bosie) in Chelsea when Bosie was 22 years old. Oscar was 15 years his elder and they commenced a life long relationship. The sexual aspect of that relationship soon ended as they both preferred young working class men (stablehands, grooms etc).

They certainly did indulge in orgies and employ male prostitutes, who in England are commonly known as "rent boys". The term "rent boy" does not refer to prepubescent youths, as you erroneously assume.

Moreover Oscar had two sons with his wife Constance. Cyril (1885-1915) and Vyvyan (1886-1967) He was a doting and attentive father who adored both his boys.

Your assertion that Oscar was a child molestor is as obnoxious as it is ignorant.

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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2010, 07:24:42 PM »
Oscar Wilde was also a pedophile that liked 12-year-old boys....


that is some bullshit.  Evidently you have not read 'De Profundis.'

Can you learn your history before posting such absurdities?
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« Reply #67 on: June 10, 2010, 07:41:58 PM »



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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #68 on: June 11, 2010, 12:33:32 AM »
They certainly did indulge in orgies and employ male prostitutes, who in England are commonly known as "rent boys". The term "rent boy" does not refer to prepubescent youths, as you erroneously assume.

Allegations during the trial for the sodomy charges stated many of them WERE underage.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: Groups Using Fear about HIV in Regards to DADT
« Reply #69 on: June 11, 2010, 12:34:02 AM »
that is some bullshit.  Evidently you have not read 'De Profundis.'

Wilde's version.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2010, 01:03:16 AM »
Allegations during the trial for the sodomy charges stated many of them WERE underage.

Produce some fucking evidence to substantiate that claim otherwise you're just embarrassing yourself.

Sodomy with any male in 19th century England was an offence, thus there was no age of consent for homosexual behaviour. Homosexual behaviour amongst men was an offence no matter what the ages of the participants.

In fact Oscar was prosecuted for "gross indency with other male persons" - charges which arose from his failed suit for criminal libel against Bosie's father, the Marquess of Queensbury. Queensbury produced evidence of Wilde's homosexual dealings with other men and the suit collapsed.

But please, produce evidence of Oscar's alleged pedophilia. Names of the boys and their ages. If you can't do so then you should desist.

Wilde's version.

Of course it's Oscar's version. He wrote the fucking thing.

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« Reply #71 on: June 11, 2010, 05:57:06 AM »
 ???  How did this thread get so off track?  If you guys want to dish it out and spam eachother, make another thread or get married or something.   :D
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« Reply #72 on: June 11, 2010, 06:33:07 PM »
???  How did this thread get so off track?  If you guys want to dish it out and spam eachother, make another thread or get married or something.   :D

Agreed... His fan-club is going to refute any charges ever made against him, and accept no evidence that doesn't come from Oscar himself.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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« Reply #73 on: June 11, 2010, 06:38:01 PM »
Agreed... His fan-club is going to refute any charges ever made against him, and accept no evidence that doesn't come from Oscar himself.


You haven't presented any evidence, boy. You might wanna git yerself some more of that book learnin' afore you shoot yer piehole off in future.

;)

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« Reply #74 on: June 11, 2010, 06:42:33 PM »
You haven't presented any evidence, boy. You might wanna git yerself some more of that book learnin' afore you shoot yer piehole off in future.

;)

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Yessa, massa, youse issa right... All of ussa people notta from you city izza rednecks...  ::)

You have yet to show any evidence that his tricks weren't underage either - and that is the first time I have ever heard he met met "Bosie" at 22, not the age that Lord Douglas' father stated at all.. It's become kind of a pointless discussion on both sides. You believe the evidence you choose to believe and I believe the evidence I choose to believe.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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« Reply #75 on: June 11, 2010, 06:50:50 PM »
Yessa, massa, youse issa right... All of ussa people notta from you city izza rednecks...  ::)

You have yet to show any evidence that his tricks weren't underage either - and that is the first time I have ever heard he met met "Bosie" at 22, not the age that Lord Douglas' father stated at all.. It's become kind of a pointless discussion on both sides.

I don't have to show you a fucking thing. You asserted that Oscar was a kiddy fiddler and have failed to provide a single fucking iota of evidence to back it up.

Everything I've stated regarding Oscar in this thread I know to be a stone cold motherfucking fact. Don't believe me? Google what I've said. See if I'm wrong. I'll suck William Shatner's dick before an audience of rattlesnake handling pentecostal Christians if I am.

And for the record I relied on sources other than the Wiki.

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« Reply #76 on: June 11, 2010, 06:57:02 PM »
I don't have to show you a fucking thing.
Everything I've stated regarding Oscar in this thread I know to be a stone cold motherfucking fact. Don't believe me? Google what I've said. See if I'm wrong. I'll suck William Shatner's dick before an audience of rattlesnake handling pentecostal Christians if I am.And for the record I relied on sources other than the Wiki.

MtD

Oh, you were there? You know it to be fact firsthand?
And what would those sources be, other than Oscar's works?
 ::)
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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« Reply #77 on: June 11, 2010, 07:25:11 PM »
Oh, you were there? You know it to be fact firsthand?
And what would those sources be, other than Oscar's works?
 ::)


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« Reply #78 on: June 12, 2010, 05:17:54 AM »
less hate please unless you want this thread to be close by the "Powers That Be."
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