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Author Topic: Malawi Couple Not Gay?  (Read 1700 times)

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Offline edfu

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Malawi Couple Not Gay?
« on: May 21, 2010, 09:34:42 PM »
This blog claims that the now-famous couple in Malawi is not "gay," and that one of them, Tiwonge Chimbalanga, is a "trans woman." 

http://skipthemakeup.blogspot.com/2010/05/marriage-in-malawi-gay-issue.html
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Re: Malawi Couple Not Gay?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2010, 10:11:22 AM »
It is just awful what the couple are going through. Forget about gender or sexual orientation. They should be treated with basic human dignity.
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Re: Malawi Couple Not Gay?
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2010, 10:15:00 AM »
It is just awful what the couple are going through. Forget about gender or sexual orientation. They should be treated with basic human dignity.

I feel like someone had it exactly right earlier, attach strings to the money we give their government and force them to at the minimum treat their citizens with some modicum of respect.  Although honestly if they don't take gay rights seriously in the US, why do I expect the US government to do anything for us overseas.

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Re: Malawi Couple Not Gay?
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2010, 10:42:42 AM »

I feel like someone had it exactly right earlier, attach strings to the money we give their government and force them to at the minimum treat their citizens with some modicum of respect.  Although honestly if they don't take gay rights seriously in the US, why do I expect the US government to do anything for us overseas.


Hellraiser, I'm sure you noticed that the previous thread on this topic was locked because it was hijacked with this same idea of financial sanctions - and it was causing arguments bordering on flamebait.

If people decide to go down the same road in this thread, it will also be locked.

This is a warning to EVERYONE.

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Re: Malawi Couple Not Gay?
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2010, 11:59:26 AM »
For those of you in Malawe who are reading this forum; please understand that many of us in the United States, support this couple, and wonder why your country has decided on this action.  Their conduct has hurt nobody, and to stand in judgement of two people who's only misconduct is to love one another, is possibly the most perverted form of law enforcement.

My heart is sad for you and for them.
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Re: Malawi Couple Not Gay?
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2010, 02:02:31 PM »
I heard that Britian is forcing the issue of "Human Rights" to that country and this may force the government to change its point of view on Gay Rights.  

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/30/gay-malawi-couple-plead-not-guilty-to-indecency-charges/


A gay couple in Malawi who held a wedding ceremony last weekend have denied charges of gross public indecency.

Tiwonge Chimbalanga and Steven Monjeza had a traditional ceremony in the south African country on Saturday.

Malawi punishes homosexuality with up to 14 years in prison and the couple were arrested.

They appeared at a court in Malawi's biggest city Blantyre and are expected to ask for bail on Monday.

Police on Tuesday they would be held in custody and could face further charges.

The UK is currently the largest bilateral donor of aid to Malawi with a ?75 million programme in 2009/2010.

Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell has said there should be "no blank cheque" for countries which "violate human rights".

He told the Scotsman that ministers should call for the charges against the couples should be dropped.
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Re: Malawi Couple Not Gay?
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2010, 02:45:29 PM »
Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell has said there should be "no blank cheque" for countries which "violate human rights".
that sounds like he is suggesting "financial sanctions" ;)

since it takes a public uprising and none of us individually can realistically influence our governments to change policies to support human/gay rights, change policies of withholding or contributing funds, or even whether they may use armed force to coerce another nation to changing it's customs and social practices, there's not much I can do than agree with Moffie.

I too think this situation in Malawi is an abuse of both human and gay rights, though perhaps I shouldn't even discriminate that much and just say, sexual orientation rights. I also abhor hearing of similar practices in Iran and from other nations with a more Muslim faith-based population.

I call/email/fax the legislators in my state and federal government and frequently protest the human rights issues and funding cuts within my own nation. I know my country spends large amounts of money overseas, in Malawi, in particular, trying to not only reform the government to become more human-rights orientated; but also to help with the vast food and HIV problems in that nation. It's a crying shame that neither nation is perfect and that people are still dying without access to meds and are being abused through human right violations.
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Re: Malawi Couple Not Gay?
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2010, 04:02:13 PM »
The guy you are talking about, Peter Tatchell, is a gay activist in London.

He enjoys little political influence and could not be considered any spokesman for the country and those on power.  Although quite well known, he is very much on the fringes.

He has supported many causes, even before they were taken up generally.  For instance, he has for a very long time been an outspoken critic of Mugabe in Zimbabwe.

He has also experienced many threats to his own safety for holding his views.

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Re: Malawi Couple Not Gay?
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2010, 04:41:40 PM »
a gay activist in London.....He has supported many causes, even before they were taken up generally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Tatchell
http://www.glbthalloffame.com/PeterTatchell/bio.htm

quite an interesting person, definitely with a long history of being an activist for gay rights
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Malawi Couple Released
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2010, 11:23:19 AM »
"Malawi's president pardons, releases gay couple"

Malawi's president says he has pardoned and ordered the release of a jailed gay couple sentenced to 14 years in prison.

President Bingu wa Mutharika made the announcement Saturday during a press conference with U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon in Lilongwe, the capital.

A judge earlier this month convicted and sentenced Tiwonge Chimbalanga and Steven Monjeza on charges of unnatural acts and gross indecency, both colonial-era laws.

The two were arrested in December, a day after they celebrated their engagement.

The case has drawn international condemnation and sparked a debate on human rights in this conservative southern African country.

Homosexuality is illegal in at least 37 countries in Africa, including Malawi.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37413443/ns/world_news-africa/
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