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Author Topic: Deal Reached for Ending Law on Gays in Military  (Read 1211 times)

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Offline Miss Philicia

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Deal Reached for Ending Law on Gays in Military
« on: May 24, 2010, 08:22:21 PM »
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May 24, 2010
Deal Reached for Ending Law on Gays in Military
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

WASHINGTON ? The White House and leading Congressional Democrats reached agreement Monday on legislative language and a timeframe for repealing the military?s ?don?t ask, don?t tell? policy, but it was not clear whether the deal had secured the votes necessary to pass the House and Senate.

Under the deal, lawmakers could vote soon to repeal the contentious 17-year-old policy, which bars gay men and lesbians from serving openly in the armed services; the House Democratic leaders is considering taking up the measure as soon as this week. But the policy would not change until sometime after Dec. 1, when the Pentagon completes a review of its readiness to deal with the new policy. President Obama would also be required to certify that repeal would not harm military readiness.

If it passed, the measure could clear the way for gay men and lesbians to serve openly in the military as early next year, ending a policy that Mr. Obama, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, all say they oppose.

Representative Patrick J. Murphy, Democrat of Pennsylvania and a leading advocate in the House for repeal, is planning to unveil the proposal Tuesday morning, with the aim of attaching it to a defense authorization bill that will come up for a vote later this week, officials said.

In the Senate, Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, intends to introduce the language on Thursday in the Armed Services Committee. In a letter to Mr. Obama Monday evening, Mr. Murphy, Mr. Lieberman and Senator Carl M. Levin, the Armed Services Committee chairman, asked the White House for its ?official views? on the proposal.

But Capitol Hill aides said the letter was pro forma; Mr. Obama?s budget director, Peter R. Orszag, quickly replied the White House?s assent.

The compromise emerged Monday after a flurry of closed-door meetings at the White House and on Capitol Hill. Gay rights advocates, who have been pressing for repeal, met with Obama administration officials at the White House, but declined to talk about their negotiations. So did White House and Pentagon officials, who met separately with aides to the leading proponents of repeal in Congress.

?Given that Congress insists on addressing the issue this week,? said Geoff Morrell, a spokesman for Mr. Gates, ?we are trying to gain a better understanding of the legislative proposals they will be considering.?

Mr. Obama has been under intense pressure from gay rights groups since the beginning of his presidency to live up to his campaign promise to work with Congress to repeal the 1993 ?Don?t Ask, Don?t Tell? law.

Already this year, the administration has taken significant steps toward doing undoing the policy; just last month, the Secretary of the Army, John M. McHugh, said he was effectively ignoring ?don?t ask, don?t tell? and had no intention of pursuing discharges of active duty service members who have told him they are gay.

But full-fledged repeal, which requires an act of Congress, has been moving slowly. Gay rights advocates are especially concerned about having a vote before the November midterm elections, when Democrats are expected to lose seats. The language that is now circulating allows lawmakers to do that, while still allowing Mr. Gates to keep the timetable for his review intact.
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Offline tednlou2

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Re: Deal Reached for Ending Law on Gays in Military
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 10:02:12 PM »
I saw this on the news today and was quite surprised they were saying this could come by the end of the week with implementation by the end of the year. 

ABC NEWS also included a photo essay/exhibition of real gay soldiers.  Below is a link to those pix of the gay soldiers.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/slideshow/photos-volume-10436973

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Re: Deal Reached for Ending Law on Gays in Military
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 10:09:06 PM »
I saw this on the news today and was quite surprised they were saying this could come by the end of the week with implementation by the end of the year. 

ABC NEWS also included a photo essay/exhibition of real gay soldiers.  Below is a link to those pix of the gay soldiers.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/slideshow/photos-volume-10436973

Uniform...fetish....overload.....

Offline Dennis

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Re: Deal Reached for Ending Law on Gays in Military
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2010, 10:21:47 PM »
I saw this on the news today and was quite surprised they were saying this could come by the end of the week with implementation by the end of the year. 

ABC NEWS also included a photo essay/exhibition of real gay soldiers.  Below is a link to those pix of the gay soldiers.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/slideshow/photos-volume-10436973

Very nice and cleverly photographed. You can almost feel the shame cast upon them by this dreadful law.

Offline tednlou2

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Re: Deal Reached for Ending Law on Gays in Military
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 10:43:34 PM »
Uniform...fetish....overload.....

I know, I like uniforms too.  Is it that uniforms are just sexy or is it that it brings authority and dominance?  Or both?

Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Deal Reached for Ending Law on Gays in Military
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2010, 08:29:46 PM »
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Yesterday I was chatting with a House aide about the ?Don?t Ask, Don?t Tell? legislative repeal. Before I could ask about inflection points for passage in a House vote that could come as early as this evening, the aide waived me off his entire chamber. Don?t even bother with the House, the aide told me. The big question for is whether the Senate Armed Services Committee can approve the repeal.

And it just did. The vote was 16 to 12, with Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) joining 15 Democrats in voting to attach an amendment to repeal the military?s ban on open gay service to the fiscal 2011 defense authorization.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Deal Reached for Ending Law on Gays in Military
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2010, 10:25:59 PM »
Update: House Passes 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Repeal Amendment

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The House vote was 234 to 194, with 229 Democrats and 5 Republicans in favor, after an emotionally charged debate. Opposed were 168 Republicans and 26 Democrats.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2010, 10:28:46 PM by Miss Philicia »
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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Deal Reached for Ending Law on Gays in Military
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2010, 12:02:24 AM »
Very encouraging!

Offline tednlou2

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Re: Deal Reached for Ending Law on Gays in Military
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2010, 01:15:31 AM »
Very good news.  I'm surprised neither ABC or NBC reported this.  I TIVO both and didn't see it on either.

Offline edfu

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Re: Deal Reached for Ending Law on Gays in Military
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2010, 02:34:17 AM »
Do not be deceived by the misreporting of most media, including the New York Times, and the obfuscation of the White House, with its Kabuki shadow play.  NO ONE voted for repeal of DADT yesterday.  Even the homophobic Army Chief of Staff and the Air Force Chief of Staff, in their letters to Sen. McCain, who threatens a fililbuster in the Senate, do not understand the difference between immediate repeal of DADT and taking steps TOWARD repeal.  

The amendment that the House and Senate are voting on provides that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" will be considered repealed IF and WHEN the following happens:

1.  The Secretary of Defense receives the Pentagon Working Group implementation study.

2.  The President, the Secretary of Defense, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff all certify that:

*they have considered the recommendations of the study;
*DOD has prepared the necessary policies and regulations needed to implement a repeal;
*the implementation of the repeal is consistent with the standards of military readiness, military effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and retention.

Current policy will remain in place until the above conditions are satisfied, and if the above conditions are never satisfied, the current DADT policy will remain in place.

There is NOTHING in the amendment being voted upon that says the repeal MUST happen, and there is NO deadline or time structure for any of the above provisions.  

There are also no provisions in the amendment to guarantee a change in the military code of justice that would provide relief from gay harassment or that would overturn the prohibition of "sodomy" as a court-martial offense.  

To quote Lt. Dan Choi:  "Do not celebrate compromise.  Do not post MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banners.  DADT is not dead."
























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Re: Deal Reached for Ending Law on Gays in Military
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2010, 05:34:45 PM »
The photos got to me. 
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