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Author Topic: Connection Between Smallpox Vaccine and HIV  (Read 2499 times)

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Offline edfu

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Offline Assurbanipal

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Re: Connection Between Smallpox Vaccine and HIV
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2010, 07:45:21 AM »
Fascinating.  What if we had a vaccine that cut transmission rates perceptibly (and could get people vaccinated). 
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Offline TabooPrincess

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Re: Connection Between Smallpox Vaccine and HIV
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2010, 03:24:17 PM »
Smallpox vaccine isn't recommended for those with compromised immunity?  It sounds like a nasty vaccine...don't really understand the connection tbh but sounds interesting....
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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Connection Between Smallpox Vaccine and HIV
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2010, 04:36:42 PM »
Smallpox vaccine isn't recommended for those with compromised immunity?  It sounds like a nasty vaccine...don't really understand the connection tbh but sounds interesting....

Smallpox vaccine is not derived from the smallpox virus (variola) rather it's made from live vaccinia virus aka cowpox. Vaccinia is closely related to the virus which causes smallpox and provides immunity to both.

From my reading of the article in the OP this is about smallpox vaccination somehow making people less susceptible to HIV infection rather than using it as a therapeutic approach in HIV poz folks.

That said, smallpox vaccination is contraindicated for HIV positive people.

MtD

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Re: Connection Between Smallpox Vaccine and HIV
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2010, 01:02:05 AM »
I read it differently.  From an epidemiology perspective.  Smallpox vaccine maybe made populations more likely to express HIV infections as LTNP - infected but suppressed, thus the few infected with HIV did not spread the disease because they weren't shedding much virus.
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Offline BlackLion

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Re: Connection Between Smallpox Vaccine and HIV
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2010, 03:01:07 AM »
I read it differently.  From an epidemiology perspective.  Smallpox vaccine maybe made populations more likely to express HIV infections as LTNP - infected but suppressed, thus the few infected with HIV did not spread the disease because they weren't shedding much virus.

Yes, I agree with you.

Offline Boze

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Re: Connection Between Smallpox Vaccine and HIV
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2010, 06:00:33 PM »
I am sceptical. Smallpox vaccinations normally happened after birth. In this study

"Researchers looked at the ability of white blood cells taken from people recently immunised with vaccinia (cowpox virus used to vaccinate against smallpox) to support HIV replication.

They found significantly lower HIV replication in blood cells from such individuals."

They should be looking at blood cells of people vaccinated after birth - which is when most developed countries did it.

Also - vaccinations stopped in 1971 in the US and 1978 in Russia. So everybody born before those days should've been vaccinated - ie all the people who were sexually active in 80s-90s.

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Offline TabooPrincess

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Re: Connection Between Smallpox Vaccine and HIV
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2010, 05:38:12 AM »
I am sceptical. Smallpox vaccinations normally happened after birth. In this study

"Researchers looked at the ability of white blood cells taken from people recently immunised with vaccinia (cowpox virus used to vaccinate against smallpox) to support HIV replication.

They found significantly lower HIV replication in blood cells from such individuals."

They should be looking at blood cells of people vaccinated after birth - which is when most developed countries did it.

Also - vaccinations stopped in 1971 in the US and 1978 in Russia. So everybody born before those days should've been vaccinated - ie all the people who were sexually active in 80s-90s.



I thought the vaccinations only lasted 3-5 years?  Which would tally....
09/ 2008 - Seroconversion
11/2008 - Tested pos, cd4 640 vl 25400
12/2008 - cd4 794 vl 27798, 35%
03/2009 - cd4 844 vl 68846, 35%
06/2009 - cd4 476 vl 49151, 33% (pregnancy confirmed)
08/2009 - cd4 464 vl 54662, 32%
Started meds for pregnancy (Kaletra, AZT, Viread)
09/2009 - cd4 841 vl 3213, 42%
10/2009 - cd4 860 vl 1088, 41%
11/2009 - cd4 771 vl 563, 38%
12/2009 - cd4 885 vl 151 42%
Discontinued meds after baby born
02/2010 - cd4 841 vl 63781, 38%
05/2010 - cd4 1080 vl 113000, 39%
08/2010 - cd4 770 vl 109242
12/2010 - cd4 642 vl 111000, 34%
06/2011 - cd4 450 vl 222000, 33%
11/2011 - cd4 419 vl 212000, 24%
03/2012 - cd4 280 vl 118000, 26% (repeated Cd4 at 360)
05/2012 -cd4 360 vl 99,190
10/2012 Atripla, cd4 690, vl 80
12/2012 Darunavir, norvir, truvada, Cd4 680, vl u/d
07/2013 cd4 750,ud

Offline Boze

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Re: Connection Between Smallpox Vaccine and HIV
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2010, 06:55:27 AM »
Princess,

you're absolutely right (http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/healthy/vaccines/740.html). So then it does make sense.
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Aug 10 - UD, CD4 810, 52%
Nov 10 - UD, CD4 980

Offline veritas

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Re: Connection Between Smallpox Vaccine and HIV
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2010, 08:03:35 AM »
The relationship between smallpox and hiv has been known for quite awhile. Both viruses use the same ccr5 receptor. The vaccine might have helped if one was vaccinated before contracting hiv, however, mtd is correct, the smallpox vaccine is contra-indicated for those with HIV:

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/162/3/406

However, the potential for new therapies exist with more research.

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