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Offline milker

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my friend won't take meds
« on: May 03, 2010, 03:53:54 AM »
He's like "look at me, I'm not skinny, i look great, why the fuck would I take meds?"

I tried to explain to him that not only he might be suddenly be very ill and spend time in the hospital  and that is not going to be pretty, but also he is putting people at risk by barebacking all the time (top and bottom) and not being undetectable.

I'm out of ideas, I think this dude needs a big scare, but until then, what are your suggestions? He said to me "I don't have insurance". I know for a fact, because i've helped 3 other people in the last year get medication, that not having insurance is not a problem.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
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Re: my friend won't take meds
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2010, 06:17:00 AM »
What kind of numbers (t-cells etc.) does your friend have?
« Last Edit: May 03, 2010, 06:44:22 AM by Nestor »
Summer 2004--became HIV+
Dec. 2005--found out

Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
Aug '11      677     22      21,000
Sept. '12    747     15      14,000

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Re: my friend won't take meds
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2010, 10:42:34 AM »
no idea, he won't make his tests. I should have said "my friend doesn't care about being poz" in the title. I know that at least 2 other people have tried to convince him.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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Re: my friend won't take meds
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 12:26:35 PM »
no idea, he won't make his tests. I should have said "my friend doesn't care about being poz" in the title. I know that at least 2 other people have tried to convince him.

I have a friend pulling the same shit.  Tested poz from a home test 3 years ago, refuses to go see a doctor.  I found out about 5 days ago and I'm all torn up over it.  He's also recently admitted that he's now using heroin.  He made an overt attempt on his life last year and I think now he's going for a more subtle approach.  Not really sure what I can do however.

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Re: my friend won't take meds
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2010, 02:05:41 PM »
I think you drop the argument about meds, since that would be a second step and under the advice of his doctor. The only argument you can have with him is to teach the basics of disease progressing and cause some cognitive dissonance.  Since he enjoys life so much, and his carefree, persuade him that monitoring his health is the way to garantee that will continue to a ripe old age. 
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Re: my friend won't take meds
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2010, 05:24:57 PM »
I think you drop the argument about meds, since that would be a second step and under the advice of his doctor. The only argument you can have with him is to teach the basics of disease progressing and cause some cognitive dissonance.  Since he enjoys life so much, and his carefree, persuade him that monitoring his health is the way to garantee that will continue to a ripe old age.  

I think that's hopeless.  People of this type--I know one too--equate "life" with the thrills of sex and other stimulation.  To them "ripe old age" probably sounds like death.  The guy I know who is barebacking all the time said "I care more about the quality than about the length of life."  I said, I actually do too.  But a host of venereal diseases would do a great deal to impair the quality of my life, so I try to avoid them.  

By the way, I avoided the whole issue the first time I replied--it all sounded so outrageous I didn't want to go near it--but do the people he's barebacking with know that he has HIV?  
Summer 2004--became HIV+
Dec. 2005--found out

Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
Aug '11      677     22      21,000
Sept. '12    747     15      14,000

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Re: my friend won't take meds
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2010, 08:19:40 PM »
yes mecch, I totally agree, he should get his blood test done and then speak to a doctor.  That first step hasn't been done for more than a year when he discovered he was positive, this is what i'm trying to convince him to do.

Nestor, I don't like to qualify people as hopeless, although sometimes it seems like they are  >:( but there has to be a way to convince them to do the right thing, for themselves and for their partners. As for disclosure, he says he does, but who knows.

Hellraiser, sorry about your friend. My friend does do drugs from time to time but doesn't seem to be a main block so far. He's just young full of life and wants to get fucked by everything that moves, basically.

mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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Re: my friend won't take meds
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2010, 09:49:42 PM »
You cannot make another person do something they do not want to do. If your friend doesn't wish to take medications, that's his sovereign right.

MtD

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Re: my friend won't take meds
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2010, 10:06:24 PM »
True, but helping him understand the consequences and make better decisions is what friends  can do. I was looking for some guidance and new ideas by making this post, as I am sure i'm not the only one that has been in this situation. I have seen many refusals to act for their own good from posters in those forums, and many have been reversed with the help of the community. It can happen!

Milker.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

Now accepting applications from blowjob ninjas™

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: my friend won't take meds
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2010, 10:47:49 PM »
Sometimes leaving a person to make his own decisions is the best thing we can do. If your friend is not ready to take medications or unwilling to deal with his HIV at this time in his life then it's possible that your well intentioned interventions might only make things worse.

He's a grownup and once you've offered him the benefit of your wisdom you should let him decide these things on his own and potentially suffer the consequences. Difficult to do, I know, but that's the way of these things.

MtD

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Re: my friend won't take meds
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2010, 12:53:08 AM »
That's reasonable.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

Now accepting applications from blowjob ninjas™

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Re: my friend won't take meds
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2010, 07:39:42 AM »
Also dont be school marmy about suggesting he take stock of his health.  What you could do is say that YOU are concerned, even if he isnt, and YOU would like to know everthing is going well enough.  You could be rather positive and say that YOU know an HIV+ person can lead a normal life if medical care is part of it.
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