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Offline dudder12

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Risk after brief unwanted insertion?
« on: October 07, 2010, 09:50:51 AM »
Hello, was messing around with a guy I was on my back he was sitting on my stomach reaching around giving me a handjob.  I noticed that it started feeling different and realized he had slowly sat on my dick, ( he was like really really loose ) I am guessing it could have been a minute before I threw him off.  There was no thrusting but no condom as I had not planned to do that!  Grossly he blew me right after.

I plan on getting tested but was curious of the risk.  I looked at my dick and his asshole for any signs of blood there was none.  

He said he was DDF and gets tested every three months, but we didn't know eachother and he just sat on it so that is worrisome.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2010, 10:02:56 AM by dudder12 »

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Re: Risk after brief unwanted insertion?
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2010, 10:51:12 AM »
Your concern  is understandable but I do expect you to come out of this ok.

HIV is a fragile virus and not easily transmitted. As the insertive partner you were at lower risk than if you had been the receptive partner. And it was a single, very brief incident. All of these factors work significantly in your favor that you will test negative.

You can get a conclusive result at 13 weeks. If you test at 6 weeks and get a negative (as I expect), then you will in all likelihood continue to test negative.

Good luck and make sure to keep those condoms handy for anal intercourse. And use one everytime. No exceptions.

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Re: Risk after brief unwanted insertion?
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2010, 11:21:42 AM »
Dudder,

Any bottom who pulls a trick like that and then claims to be DDF is deluding himself. Bottoms are at the highest risk for hiv infection and if he's going around sticking unwrapped dicks of unknown status inside of him, if he's not poz now, it's only a matter of time.

Next time you have a hook up like this, lay the condom ground rules out from the very beginning. Never take a guy's word for it that he's DDF and neg. He may be lying, he may be lying about regular testing and/or he may actually believe he's neg, even though an hiv test would show otherwise. Protect yourself, please.

As Andy says, as the top you didn't have a high risk in this brief, insertive incident, but that doesn't mean zero risk. You would be prudent to test but I do expect you to come out of this ok.

Here's what you need to know in order to remain hiv negative;

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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Re: Risk after brief unwanted insertion?
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2010, 12:13:36 PM »
Thanks for your replies.  I am very pro condom, and I dont play very much, so this was rather a rude suprise that hopefully will turn out ok.

Can HIV just live in the rectum, or does there actually need to be enough friction that causes blood to leak out for a risk of infection?

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Re: Risk after brief unwanted insertion?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2010, 12:38:30 PM »
Dudder,

Hiv can be present in some of the cells lining the rectum as well as in anal secretions. (the lube your body naturally produces to facilitate having a BM) There doesn't necessarily have to be blood present.

The reason hiv transmission is more difficult to achieve from a bottom to a top is because there are fewer areas on the penis where hiv can infect. Hiv can only infect a very few, very specific types of cells. On the penis, these cells are found in the lining of the urethra and in the underside of the foreskin - the part of the foreskin that is hidden when the foreskin is folded over the head.

As we have told you, you are highly unlikely to end up poz over this very brief experience, but you would be wise to test because it is not zero risk.

I'm glad to hear that you are pro condom. You can have as many of these play sessions as you like as long as condoms are being used for anal. As I said earlier, it would be a good idea to make it clear to your trick that condoms are a must. Make it clear before he even arrives at your house.

If he's one of these guys who proclaims the DDF status and baulks at your condom use, tell him that you are neg and intend on staying that way. Don't ever accept his word for it that he's also neg, he may not know for certain. Even a guy who tests every three months, but still barebacks, may have been infected the week before, an infection that has yet to be picked up on a test.

Good luck. I expect you to come out of this ok.

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Re: Risk after brief unwanted insertion?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2010, 01:06:59 PM »
Thanks again :) 

About other STDs, what others would be wise to be tested for considering my exposure?

Also - I have read that condoms lower your risk between 85 and 95%, I am guess they are accounting for breaks?  If a condom doesnt break, how low is the actual risk?

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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2010, 01:30:42 PM »
Dudder,

You'd be wise to test for them all. You can test for most of them ten days to two weeks after, but syphilis shares a three month window with hiv.

And yes, the percent of risk with condoms you see is to account for breakage. If your condom doesn't break, we're talking no risk for hiv. However, many of the other STIs are MUCH more easily transmitted than hiv and it is possible to get some of them despite condom use. Ones that are transmitted through skin-to-skin contact are the main ones (syphilis, herpes and HPV [warts]). However, this is an hiv site and we don't go into detail on the other STIs. Go to a sexual health clinic or your doctor for further information.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Risk after brief unwanted insertion?
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2010, 02:57:17 PM »
Hey me again,

I am still two weeks out from my 6 week mark when I was planning to get my HIV test, however the other day I noticed a bit of white stuff on the back of my tongue, on the top right in the middle, it doesnt hurt, it looks like they are a patch white tastebuds. (covers an area the size of a tic tac or two) It is slightly rougher than the rest of my tongue.

My first thought went to thrush, but it doesnt come off, well, if I get one with a tweezer I can pluck it off :) My head first went to thrush, but everything I have read says it is supposed to hurt, and its supposed to wipe or scrape off.  There is no blood when I manage to get one off, no bad taste, or ordor, and spicy food doesnt hurt.  But I dont know if it always does.  I feel perfectly fine otherwise. But looking in the mirror I see something on my tongue I never have before :)

Anywho - to my question, should I consider getting a test now?  It has been about 24 days since the incident.  I dont quite know what is normal (or if there is normal) when thrush infections become common.  
« Last Edit: October 23, 2010, 03:04:04 PM by dudder12 »

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Re: Risk after brief unwanted insertion?
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2010, 03:33:38 PM »
3 months post exposure is when you receive your conclusive negative test result.

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Re: Risk after brief unwanted insertion?
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2010, 04:18:11 PM »
The average time to seroconversion is 22 days. All but the smallest number of those who are going to seroconvert will do so within 4-6 weeks after an exposure. So no negative test result is going to be meaningful before 6 weeks. And a negative at that point will be a good indication that point given the level of your risk you will likely continue to test negative.

Even if you had thrush that would not be an indicator for HIV. Thrush is not an HIV specific occurence. In fact neither the presence nor the absence of symptoms will ever tell you anything accurately about your HIV status. Only an HIV test can give you that answer reliably. Right now of course your head is working overtime to no good purpose looking for "signs." Forget it. You have some waiting time to get through so get busy with other things. Really.

And the odds are in your favor as I see it.
 
Cheers.   
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