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Author Topic: Arizona can go Fuck itself  (Read 6738 times)

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Offline alliance

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Re: Arizona can go Fuck itself
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2010, 11:51:35 PM »
How about some constructive  possibilities for controlling immigration  ??? ....
...Lets hear some possible ideas for making the Immigration to USA  practical and attractive..  

Thats right Nick, anyone can say "no" or "hell no", how about if we answer " no, but how about if we (fill in the blank)"


and to quote Matty:"All those friends have to compete, above board paying minimum wage to legal citizens, while others in the same professions break the laws and create a slave class of people here in the US"

I wouldnt mind seeing the naturalization process streamlined, so our fellow human beings can operate in the daylight and become productive MEMBERS of society. Perhaps less control of the PROCESS is needed. Not carelessly, but quicker. What is everyone so afraid of? Anything?


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Offline jkinatl2

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Re: Arizona can go Fuck itself
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2010, 11:58:17 PM »
imagine our economic structure when all workers are paid minimum wage. Seriously. Hotel workers. Landscapers. Berry pickers. And know that, increasingly, other countries are insisting on wages that match the level paid in the US.

We have an entire economic structure that DEPENDS on the inequality of wages, on the under-the-table wages paid to immigrant workers. We would collapse were this to vanish. It would be like every bank calling in every loan all at the same time.

Is it a GREAT system? Am I PROUD of it? Hells to the no. But lets think this through. So we stop exploiting illigal immigrant workers. And now what? Do you know something abotu our economic system, ESPECIALLY as it deals in service and agricultural industries that I don't? If so, please share.

I am not HAPPY to participate in the exploitation of workers when I buy strawberries at two dollars a quart. But once in a while. I do just that.

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Offline alliance

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Re: Arizona can go Fuck itself
« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2010, 12:28:19 AM »
By the way, Happy Workers Memorial Day.

"The first Workers Memorial Day was observed in 1989. April 28 was chosen because it is the anniversary of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration and the day of a similar remembrance in Canada. Every year, people in hundreds of communities and at worksites recognize workers who have been killed or injured on the job. Trade unionists around the world now mark April 28 as an International Day of Mourning."

http://www.aflcio.org/issues/safety/memorial/

"The influence of each human being on others in this life is a kind of immortality."
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5/10/12     CD4=426  %=32  VL=UD
11/15/11   CD4=296  %=29  VL=UD(20)
6/15/11     CD4=345  %=29  VL=UD(38)
3/15/11     CD4=317  %=31  VL=UD
12/1/10     CD4=315  %=28  VL=UD
8/11/10     CD4=250  %=25  VL=UD
6/10/10     CD4=380  %=24  VL=UD
3/4/10       CD4=340  %=22   VL=UD
1/11/10     CD4=312  %=22   VL =130
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Offline leatherman

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Re: Arizona can go Fuck itself
« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2010, 12:45:37 AM »
and to quote Matty
lordy! use the quote function next time please. ;) that is "mikie" you're quoting.
I'm sure Matty doesn't want to see MY words put into his mouth ROFLMAO

mikie
who thinks Philly complaining about tax expenidtures is no different than mikie complaining about tax expenditures, and Matty talking about illegal aliens doing jobs that americans wouldn't do isn't very rhetorical when those same types of job are being done by "decent" Ohioans ::)
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Arizona can go Fuck itself
« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2010, 12:50:04 AM »
You're either being willfully obtuse or your IQ isn't particularly very high.  Should we take a poll?
"Iíve slept with enough men to know that Iím not gay"

Offline alliance

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Re: Arizona can go Fuck itself
« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2010, 01:00:58 AM »
lordy! use the quote function next time please. ;) that is "mikie" you're quoting.
I'm sure Matty doesn't want to see MY words put into his mouth ROFLMAO


So sorry Mikie and Matty, Im just killing time here riding out my Aripla wave with a side order of zyrtec for severe allergy issues.  My thoughts arent the clearest tonight- some day I'll try to figure out how to put two quotes in one message. :)
"The influence of each human being on others in this life is a kind of immortality."
10/10/12   CD4=378  %=32   VL=UD
5/10/12     CD4=426  %=32  VL=UD
11/15/11   CD4=296  %=29  VL=UD(20)
6/15/11     CD4=345  %=29  VL=UD(38)
3/15/11     CD4=317  %=31  VL=UD
12/1/10     CD4=315  %=28  VL=UD
8/11/10     CD4=250  %=25  VL=UD
6/10/10     CD4=380  %=24  VL=UD
3/4/10       CD4=340  %=22   VL=UD
1/11/10     CD4=312  %=22   VL =130
11/30/09   CD4=228  %=19  VL=1726
11/20/09    started atripla
10/15/09   CD4=281  %=18   VL=85,000

Offline jkinatl2

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Re: Arizona can go Fuck itself
« Reply #56 on: April 29, 2010, 01:10:02 AM »
My BF is finally coasting down from a TWO DAY Zyrtec high. Man, that stuff is S-t-r-o-n-g.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Offline alliance

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Re: Arizona can go Fuck itself
« Reply #57 on: April 29, 2010, 01:17:37 AM »

This is the second day of my first time on Zyrtec. For the future, you can probably take me off the zyrtec list. 8)
"The influence of each human being on others in this life is a kind of immortality."
10/10/12   CD4=378  %=32   VL=UD
5/10/12     CD4=426  %=32  VL=UD
11/15/11   CD4=296  %=29  VL=UD(20)
6/15/11     CD4=345  %=29  VL=UD(38)
3/15/11     CD4=317  %=31  VL=UD
12/1/10     CD4=315  %=28  VL=UD
8/11/10     CD4=250  %=25  VL=UD
6/10/10     CD4=380  %=24  VL=UD
3/4/10       CD4=340  %=22   VL=UD
1/11/10     CD4=312  %=22   VL =130
11/30/09   CD4=228  %=19  VL=1726
11/20/09    started atripla
10/15/09   CD4=281  %=18   VL=85,000

Offline tednlou2

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Re: Arizona can go Fuck itself
« Reply #58 on: April 29, 2010, 02:45:29 AM »
Arizona Sheriff says he will not inforce the law.  He also talks about a provision in the law that allows any citizen to sue any police official for NOT inforcing the law.  How would this go?  A person would claim a police officer should have been pulling over more "illegals".

This is from "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" tonight and his interview with the sheriff.  You can jump to 4mins, 47 secs for the interview. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#36838270

On an interesting note--  Karl Rove believes the law is unconstitutional.  You can roll out of your chair now.   


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Re: Arizona can go Fuck itself
« Reply #59 on: April 29, 2010, 03:18:12 AM »
This statement is actually incorrect. A police officer, or anybody, can walk up to you on the street and start asking questions without probable cause. However, you don't have to consent. The flipside to this is if you don't consent, you then give them probable cause. Most people don't realize this, and this is why this is a bad law with too many loop holes. Also, in some states it is against the law to walk around without a state issued id. I know here in Florida if you are stopped and don't have proof of identity, you can be hauled into jail so they can verify who you are, when you otherwise would have only received a citation.

Interesting. I lived in FL for a year but never bothered to obtain a state ID, or driver's license since I didn't drive back then. I never got harassed by any cop, but I guess being white might have had something to do with it. I was still able to vote, with a US passport.

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Re: Arizona can go Fuck itself
« Reply #60 on: April 29, 2010, 03:20:26 AM »
lordy! use the quote function next time please. ;) that is "mikie" you're quoting.
I'm sure Matty doesn't want to see MY words put into his mouth ROFLMAO

The thought of anything of yours anywhere near my mouth makes me puke a little.  ;)  ;)  ;)  :)  :)  :)  ;)  :D

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Offline next2u

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Re: Arizona can go Fuck itself
« Reply #61 on: April 29, 2010, 06:56:42 AM »
before starting, i have not read a lot about this law and have only seen headlines.

with that said i truly believe with all my heart that ARIZONA can go FUCK ITSELF. i don't give a shit about illegal immigration. but that does not mean it isn't a real problem. i'm sure there is a negative impact but i'm damn sure there is a positive impact as well.

the law is racist. this is wrong. there is no way to fix something this broken at the state level. there is no quick fix and this is a band aid solution to a hemorrhage. AZ, like most states, has profited from immigrant labor and mexico has less than lovely living conditions for a lot of their citizens. their citizens, like myself, are global citizens. this means they deserve some respect until a better solution is found for a 2 country decades old problem. 

i don't like scapegoats. i dont agree with immigration laws that favor people with wealth, good education, and those with other one ups. i understand why this works but i do not agree with it. it will be a cold day in hell before you get me to do half of the jobs that are being stolen. why? because my family did them and they geared us away from them.

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