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Offline tednlou2

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Aderall Does the Body Good?
« on: April 26, 2010, 02:01:21 AM »
This may get moved to Off Topic, but even though the piece doesn't talk about HIVers, I know we were just talking about brain fog and HIV.  And, I've heard others talk about using Aderall and drugs like it to help. 

From "60 Minutes" tonight.  To use the video free, they make ya watch that 30 sec commercial.  If ya don't have the attention span for that, you may need Aderall---kidding

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6430949n&tag=contentMain;contentAux


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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2010, 03:17:09 AM »
I remember one of the hotties I met was adhd and had Aderall.  I was dead tired but after taking that, I was wide awake.  It helped me stay awake and "perform" with him.  Now I know why he gave it to me.  lol  Come to think of it, I don't think I even slept that night.
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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2010, 11:01:07 AM »
I'm a firm believer that Adderall does a body good... especially if that body has ADHD and takes Atripla.
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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2010, 11:02:21 AM »
When I was in college we would hit up the kids who had prescriptions for Adderall if we needed to study the night before a big exam.  It's the equivalent of No-Doze on steroids.

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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2010, 11:10:29 AM »
I have terrible problems with fatigue and have thought about asking my docs about Adderall .
My HIV clinic is notorious for being stingy with anything that could possibly make you feel good so I'm not sure how to bring up the subject .  

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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2010, 11:10:41 AM »
meth in a capsule... don't fool yourselves

And as a psychostimulate with similar pharmacology as methylphenidate (aka Ritalin) but much more potent I'd not be at all surprised if it was shown to increase viral replication of HIV, much like other stimulants.
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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2010, 11:53:16 AM »
meth in a capsule... don't fool yourselves

And as a psychostimulate with similar pharmacology as methylphenidate (aka Ritalin) but much more potent I'd not be at all surprised if it was shown to increase viral replication of HIV, much like other stimulants.

After my diagnosis, I wondered about this quite a bit.  I never found anything to substantiate it, though.  Also, I find Adderall to be much smoother than Ritalin.  Ritalin, while helping with my ADHD, made me sweat really badly, have hot flashes, and get jittery.  I was switched to Adderall to see if it was any better in terms of not having these side effects.  It was.  My prescribing Dr had found pretty much the same thing in other patients, too.  Of course, the dosage will have a lot to do with these side effects.  My dosage is on the low end of the normally prescribed range.  I know people that take double or triple the dosage I do; they are often overly aggressive, moody, and have a really bad low point when it wears off.  Like most things, I guess Adderall's OK in moderation.
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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2010, 12:03:03 PM »
After my diagnosis, I wondered about this quite a bit.  I never found anything to substantiate it, though.  Also, I find Adderall to be much smoother than Ritalin.  Ritalin, while helping with my ADHD, made me sweat really badly, have hot flashes, and get jittery.  I was switched to Adderall to see if it was any better in terms of not having these side effects.  It was.  My prescribing Dr had found pretty much the same thing in other patients, too.  Of course, the dosage will have a lot to do with these side effects.  My dosage is on the low end of the normally prescribed range.  I know people that take double or triple the dosage I do; they are often overly aggressive, moody, and have a really bad low point when it wears off.  Like most things, I guess Adderall's OK in moderation.

There has been a couple studies in the past year about amphetamines (namely meth) and how it increases viral replication.  I'm sure that the pharmacological/molecular structure is similar, though obviously slightly different and any discussion would involve dosing amounts.  Anyway, once HIV treatment is successful I'd assume the subject is somewhat moot.

Long term amphetamine use can lead to blood pressure issues, which I guess you realize.
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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2010, 12:09:02 PM »
meth in a capsule... don't fool yourselves

And as a psychostimulate with similar pharmacology as methylphenidate (aka Ritalin) but much more potent I'd not be at all surprised if it was shown to increase viral replication of HIV, much like other stimulants.


That's something for me to think about considering I had a nasty bout of the meth crazies about 10 years ago . It may not be right for me anyway because I have enough trouble sleeping at night as it is .   

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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2010, 12:25:13 PM »
There has been a couple studies in the past year about amphetamines (namely meth) and how it increases viral replication.  I'm sure that the pharmacological/molecular structure is similar, though obviously slightly different and any discussion would involve dosing amounts.  Anyway, once HIV treatment is successful I'd assume the subject is somewhat moot.

Long term amphetamine use can lead to blood pressure issues, which I guess you realize.


I've been pre-hypertensive since I was about 12.  When I was younger, diet (reduced sodium) kept my blood pressure in check.  Up until about two years ago, diet and exercise did the trick.  In the past two years, I've been taking a small dose of Lisinopril.  My blood pressure has never been particularly high but has been 'borderline' for the past two decades or so.  Mild hypertension is about the only health issue that seems to 'run' in my family.  Like you mentioned, dosing is probably a factor.  Perhaps some of the 'inert' ingredients in street meth contribute to the effects on viral load.
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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2010, 01:50:56 PM »
I have ADHD and have been on adderral for years ... Taking it makes my life better on multiple levels .. Not taking it causes all kinds of issues ...

I'm a firm believer in Adderral if it's needed ...

If you are going to take it check out the side effects first .. Extended release Adderral has different side effects from regular Adderral ... I have no side effects on the regular and experiences every single one on the extended release ..

Next to not having access to HIV meds my biggest medical concern is not having access to my Adderral ... Without my ADHD meds my literally begins to unravel ..

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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2010, 04:36:22 PM »
I am in awe.

What ever happened to "the less drugs the better".  This class of drugs almost took away my mind, and my relationship.  I wonder how many "issues" that are brought up here are the result of the use, or over use of drugs, and I am not talking about HIV drugs.  The fact that there are so many responses to this thread, and not one has shunned the subject or the drugs, tells me volumes.
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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2010, 05:12:24 PM »
Hey Tim,

While I prefer to take as few drugs as possible, I am also realistic. I take Ritalin daily, to help combat the fatigue and fogging issues I experience, because of my antidepressants and anxiety medication. Without the Ritalin, I would just curl up and die from fatigue and all of my drugs are coordinated between my shrink and ID doc, so I feel comfortable using the drug when needed.

I think it is very important to distinguish the use of non-prescribed, vs. prescribed medications. Anything in excess will mess you up, and sometimes we have to make trade offs and those decisions, are always, ours alone to make.

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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2010, 09:04:54 PM »
  I took Aderall for my ADD. The drug worked well with minimal side effects but with my addiction issues taking the stuff as prescribed can be like trying to stop a river so I no longer use it.
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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2010, 09:28:37 PM »
Hey Tim,

While I prefer to take as few drugs as possible, I am also realistic. I take Ritalin daily, to help combat the fatigue and fogging issues I experience, because of my antidepressants and anxiety medication. Without the Ritalin, I would just curl up and die from fatigue and all of my drugs are coordinated between my shrink and ID doc, so I feel comfortable using the drug when needed.

I think it is very important to distinguish the use of non-prescribed, vs. prescribed medications. Anything in excess will mess you up, and sometimes we have to make trade offs and those decisions, are always, ours alone to make.

Well said, Joe.  I think it's comparable to taking medication for pain when one's in constant pain vs abusing morphine or similar recreationally.  I've taken Ritalin or Adderall since the early 90's.  I won't say that I've never taken more than prescribed for a long road trip, etc, but I do not abuse it.  I take it as prescribed and generally take less.  My prescribed dosage is also on the very low end of the 'normal' range.  I was diagnosed with ADHD.  I wa subsequently  re-tested with the same outcome.  Through elementary, junior high, and high schools I had severe concentration problems.  I had the same issues through college.  It was only after college that we investigated the reason. 

The fact that there are so many responses to this thread, and not one has shunned the subject or the drugs, tells me volumes.

Tim, I'm not sure what you mean with "... not one has shunned the subject...".  It seems a bit judgmental to me, but I'm hesitant to say that since I don't understand what you mean.  I drink occasionally, but am not an alcoholic.  Likewise, I have not allowed myself to abuse these drugs.  They obviously can be addictive, but so can the Klonopin, muscle relaxers, and pain killers that I've saved for years.  I use them only when needed.

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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2010, 12:25:40 AM »
Well said, Joe.  I think it's comparable to taking medication for pain when one's in constant pain vs abusing morphine or similar recreationally.  I've taken Ritalin or Adderall since the early 90's.  I won't say that I've never taken more than prescribed for a long road trip, etc, but I do not abuse it.  I take it as prescribed and generally take less.  My prescribed dosage is also on the very low end of the 'normal' range.  I was diagnosed with ADHD.  I wa subsequently  re-tested with the same outcome.  Through elementary, junior high, and high schools I had severe concentration problems.  I had the same issues through college.  It was only after college that we investigated the reason. 

Tim, I'm not sure what you mean with "... not one has shunned the subject...".  It seems a bit judgmental to me, but I'm hesitant to say that since I don't understand what you mean.  I drink occasionally, but am not an alcoholic.  Likewise, I have not allowed myself to abuse these drugs.  They obviously can be addictive, but so can the Klonopin, muscle relaxers, and pain killers that I've saved for years.  I use them only when needed.



I feel the same way about certain meds.  If a person really needs them, then they should use them weighing the pros and cons.  This is the same thing with anxiety and pain meds in people who really need them.  Some people will say you should just take Tylenol.  I've talked about having really bad back pain after back surgery.  I had a pharmacist tell me the acetamenophen in the Lorcet was going to destroy my liver.  He said I should be taking Tylenol.  I pointed out to him that Tylenol was what he was just warning me about.  He obviously has issues with pain meds and was trying to scare me.  If someone takes meds properly and doesn't get out of control with them, then I feel they are very beneficial. 

As Miss P said, it would be good to make sure any med wasn't causing an issue with HIV, the liver, etc.

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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2010, 10:02:12 AM »
I think it is very important to distinguish the use of non-prescribed, vs. prescribed medications. Anything in excess will mess you up, and sometimes we have to make trade offs and those decisions, are always, ours alone to make.

In addition, I think there's still a double-standard for psychotropic drugs (and the conditions they treat).  I would guess a large segment of our society still see people who take drugs such as these as "weak" and that they can't handle what others can when in reality these conditions are just as "real" as any virus or bacterium.  This is likely due to the overall stigma that those with mental health issues face as well as the problem and inconsistency of diagnosing those with these issues.  It doesn't help that this class of drugs are the ones that are consistently abused by those who may not "need" them.  Nevertheless, our brain functions by use of chemicals - if one person has less than another (or that elusive "normal"), why shouldn't she be able to take a supplement to lessen that deficiency?
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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2010, 10:48:12 AM »
So I think that you guys are unfairly judging me for the black market adderall I crushed up and snorted this morning and frankly I'm tired of the abuse!

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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2010, 01:32:58 PM »
I had my scheduled doctors appointment today and brought up my fatigue issues and asked about aderall . They told me that they prescribe Ritalin for that and gave me a script .

I'm supposed to take it everyday but I probably wont because of the potential for tolerance problems .   

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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2010, 02:14:25 PM »
I'm supposed to take it everyday but I probably wont because of the potential for tolerance problems .   

When I started taking Ritalin, I didn't like the hot flash, sweaty feeling from the 10mg dose. My psychiatrist then suggested Methylphenidate SR (20mg), which I take in the morning and I don't get the hot flashes anymore. I also have 10mg for use later in the day, if I need it. I just kept changing types and doses of meds, until I found the ones that work for me.

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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2010, 02:58:55 PM »
When I started taking Ritalin, I didn't like the hot flash, sweaty feeling from the 10mg dose. My psychiatrist then suggested Methylphenidate SR (20mg), which I take in the morning and I don't get the hot flashes anymore. I also have 10mg for use later in the day, if I need it. I just kept changing types and doses of meds, until I found the ones that work for me.

I have been on Adderrall for years and years, long before I found out I was POZ .... Ritalin had HORRIBLE effects on my body and mind ...

But  I have fairly severe ADHD (60 mg Adderral a day) ...

So while I agree with statement regarding as few meds as possible ... We have to remember that wanting to have as few meds as possible should not mean we compromise our health ... Take what is needed and no more ... But, definitely take what is needed ...

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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2010, 03:15:10 PM »
I'm only going to be taking 2.5 mg in the morning . I have to break a 5 in half per my doctors instructions .

I'm really hoping it will be just enough to help with the fatigue and wont keep me up at night . If it doesn't feel right I will not use it and deal with the fatigue as I have for years now , day by day .

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2010, 12:14:48 PM »
I'm only going to be taking 2.5 mg in the morning . I have to break a 5 in half per my doctors instructions .

I'm really hoping it will be just enough to help with the fatigue and wont keep me up at night . If it doesn't feel right I will not use it and deal with the fatigue as I have for years now , day by day .

That is an extremely low dosage. I bet you will do fine on it.

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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2010, 03:23:36 PM »
That is an extremely low dosage. I bet you will do fine on it.


I took my first low dose today and feel like crap LOL . If I don't adjust in a day or two I think I prefer a nap to this feeling of speed . 

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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2010, 03:49:03 PM »
I apologise ( like so often lately) for my thoughts and my judgement about a subject I obviously know nothing about.
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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2010, 10:51:03 PM »
Did you get your Adderal or Ritalin from your regular (ID?) doctor or did you have to go to a psychiatrist?

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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2010, 11:37:45 PM »
Did you get your Adderal or Ritalin from your regular (ID?) doctor or did you have to go to a psychiatrist?


I got it from my ID doctor . I have only had one small dose and I don't intend on ever taking it again .
I felt like I was going to jump out of my skin for most of the day and then came the crash .

I ended up taking a nap just like any other day . Ordinarily I would give myself time to adjust to a new medicine but after taking Ritalin for fatigue today and felt its affects I'm kind of scared to be on it long term because it is an amphetamine and I don't handle them well . I had nothing to lose by trying it , now I know its not for me .      
  

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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2010, 08:45:51 AM »
Did you get your Adderal or Ritalin from your regular (ID?) doctor or did you have to go to a psychiatrist?

I have gotten my Ritalin from both my ID doctor and psychiatrist. While I believe that many ID doctors will prescribe Ritalin, I suspect you may have to get Adderal from a psychiatrist.

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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2010, 08:58:42 AM »

I got it from my ID doctor . I have only had one small dose and I don't intend on ever taking it again .
I felt like I was going to jump out of my skin for most of the day and then came the crash .

I ended up taking a nap just like any other day . Ordinarily I would give myself time to adjust to a new medicine but after taking Ritalin for fatigue today and felt its affects I'm kind of scared to be on it long term because it is an amphetamine and I don't handle them well . I had nothing to lose by trying it , now I know its not for me .      
  
Perhaps Adderall would work better for you.  Wow and I have both said we didn't care for Ritalin.  All speed is not created equally!  I started at a 10mg dose; I don't even think I would have noticed 2.5mg.  I've never had a 'crash' from Adderall; I just get a bit tired, but that happens around bed time.  Personally, I'd recommend it slightly earlier than the time of day I feel the most fatigued, not in the morning (unless that's when you're the most fatigued).  Perhaps you can have your Dr. write an prescription so you can try a very low dose of Adderall.  To keep it easy, and so you won't look like a 'drug seeker', maybe he could write it for a few pills so that an entire month's worth won't be wasted if it doesn't work for you.

Did you get your Adderal or Ritalin from your regular (ID?) doctor or did you have to go to a psychiatrist?
I initially got mine from a regular Dr (pre-HIV).  My ID Dr. now prescribes it for me, as he's my primary / only Dr. 
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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2010, 09:14:05 AM »
Perhaps Adderall would work better for you.  Wow and I have both said we didn't care for Ritalin.  All speed is not created equally!  I started at a 10mg dose; I don't even think I would have noticed 2.5mg.  I've never had a 'crash' from Adderall; I just get a bit tired, but that happens around bed time.  Personally, I'd recommend it slightly earlier than the time of day I feel the most fatigued, not in the morning (unless that's when you're the most fatigued).  Perhaps you can have your Dr. write an prescription so you can try a very low dose of Adderall.  To keep it easy, and so you won't look like a 'drug seeker', maybe he could write it for a few pills so that an entire month's worth won't be wasted if it doesn't work for you.
I initially got mine from a regular Dr (pre-HIV).  My ID Dr. now prescribes it for me, as he's my primary / only Dr. 


I go back in one month for a follow up with my doctor . I am going to take my unused Ritalin in with and ask about Adderall . They are familiar with me there and know I not a drug seeker . It would be nice if I could strike a happy/healthy balance in life but I am pragmatic about my situation as well and know there is not always a pharma. solution to some of the problems we face . I really appreciate your opinion on this .

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« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2010, 09:34:31 AM »
I have been asking for something to give me more ooph for months now. Both the psychiatrist and the HIV doc. In fact the psychiatrist sent me to the hormone doc and he said my levels are fine.

I have almost always experienced pot as an energizer.  In fact, I've seen recently that if I get stoned once or twice a week, just lightly stoned, then on those days I am MORE focused and have MORE energy and more stamina.  Its not illusionary.  The next day, i take stock, and am amazed what I did the stoned day.

So yesterday I asked my shrink about Aderall and Ritalin, and she was just not buying it at all.  

She said, why don't you experiment for a week and see if, now, you can be productive and energetic just by will power.  

Just thought I would share that.  Didn't get the testosterone, didn't get the Aderall.  

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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2010, 09:50:18 AM »
I have been asking for something to give me more ooph for months now. Both the psychiatrist and the HIV doc. In fact the psychiatrist sent me to the hormone doc and he said my levels are fine.

I have almost always experienced pot as an energizer.  In fact, I've seen recently that if I get stoned once or twice a week, just lightly stoned, then on those days I am MORE focused and have MORE energy and more stamina.  Its not illusionary.  The next day, i take stock, and am amazed what I did the stoned day.

So yesterday I asked my shrink about Aderall and Ritalin, and she was just not buying it at all.  

She said, why don't you experiment for a week and see if, now, you can be productive and energetic just by will power.  

Just thought I would share that.  Didn't get the testosterone, didn't get the Aderall.  

Only got the message - do it yourself, baby.


Unfortunately some doctors take this stance . My prior ID doc refused me androgel and when my buddy who is a general practitioner got wind of it he wrote me a script . I moved and changed ID doctors and they have been writing the script ever since .

It seems some ID doctors are only concerned with cd4 counts and viral loads and are reluctant to deal with some of the side effects of living with HIV . 

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« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2010, 10:04:28 AM »
I'm sure thats true about some docs.

Note that I was infected in 2008 and in months put on HAART so the theme seems to be - my health and body are fine its all about lifestyle+mental issues. 

Now theres more and more buzz about eveyone being over-medicated for these kind of lifestyle and mental issues.  If you're overweight, maybe you don't need drug assistance.  If you're depressed, maybe cognitive therapy works as well or better than a lifetime or longterm SSRI prescription.  If you have fatique issues, maybe the causes can be discovered and overcome without speed.  And so on and so.  OF course, that means major medical problems taken care of.  HIV+ need their HAART when its time.  Diabetics need their insulin.  But I guess I don't need the juice and boost.

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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2010, 10:08:47 AM »
I have been asking for something to give me more ooph for months now. Both the psychiatrist and the HIV doc. In fact the psychiatrist sent me to the hormone doc and he said my levels are fine.

I have almost always experienced pot as an energizer.  In fact, I've seen recently that if I get stoned once or twice a week, just lightly stoned, then on those days I am MORE focused and have MORE energy and more stamina.  Its not illusionary.  The next day, i take stock, and am amazed what I did the stoned day.

So yesterday I asked my shrink about Aderall and Ritalin, and she was just not buying it at all. 

She said, why don't you experiment for a week and see if, now, you can be productive and energetic just by will power. 

Just thought I would share that.  Didn't get the testosterone, didn't get the Aderall. 

Only got the message - do it yourself, baby.

Drug seeking behaviour, mofo. :)

Doctors worth their salt are attuned to this sort of thing. If you want the good stuff, you can't just up and ask for it.

You've gotta demonstrate a "need".

Want fentanyl? Make 'em believe you're in real soul tearing pain.

Fancy some phenobarb? You better start pitching some fearsome fits,

Desire uppers? Well that requires quite the performance, narcolepsy notwithstanding.

My point is that you have to lead your prescriber to the desired conclusion without letting on that's your intention.

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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2010, 11:58:23 AM »
Very funny... and also very accurate.  Fortunately, I was diagnosed with ADHD; I didn't have to ask for Ritalin (and later Adderall).  My Dr. will also prescribe Klonopin if I ask for it, but I'll ask for a one-time (no refill) Rx.  I may do this every 6 months or so at most. 

The sad thing is that something like hypertension can be 'seen' on a sphygmomanometer and viral load / CD4 levels can be 'seen' when lab results come back indicating the need for medication.  Many Dr's seem to find it much harder to 'see' ADHD, severe and/or debilitating fatigue, etc and the results experienced by sufferers.

In a way, I personally don't care if individuals take many of the drugs mentioned in this thread taken recreationally or therapeutically.  It's legal to smoke, drink, overeat, not exercise none of which are healthy but are often done for the feelings that result or simply due to the whims of the individual.  As long as one is not abusing a substance to the point of causing documentable damage (and a liability to the prescriber) or to other individuals, what business of mine is it?

Drug seeking behaviour, mofo. :)

Doctors worth their salt are attuned to this sort of thing. If you want the good stuff, you can't just up and ask for it.

You've gotta demonstrate a "need".

Want fentanyl? Make 'em believe you're in real soul tearing pain.

Fancy some phenobarb? You better start pitching some fearsome fits,

Desire uppers? Well that requires quite the performance, narcolepsy notwithstanding.

My point is that you have to lead your prescriber to the desired conclusion without letting on that's your intention.

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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2010, 12:01:35 PM »
You're all a bunch of filthy junkies.
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« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2010, 12:09:38 PM »
You're all a bunch of filthy junkies.


NOT true . I shower every day .

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Re: Aderall Does the Body Good?
« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2010, 05:27:38 PM »

I took my first low dose today and feel like crap LOL . If I don't adjust in a day or two I think I prefer a nap to this feeling of speed . 

Hummm .... it's such a small amount ... I take 60 mg a day and never have those types of reactions ...

Maybe Adderall isn't for you and you need another medication ...

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« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2010, 10:54:54 PM »
I saw this new doc Friday.  I was waiting at the reception desk and noticed 2 prescriptions for Aderall.  It made me wonder whether that was just a coincidence or whether this doc really prescribes a lot.  2nd, it was a violation in that I could see who the prescriptions were for.

 


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