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Offline tednlou2

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Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« on: April 20, 2010, 12:04:48 AM »
I was just reading the article here on poz.com about the push to get Alabama and South Carolina to stop segregating HIV poz prisoners.  While I do disagree with the arm-band thing and segregating HIVers from dining, prison work, and other things like that, I wonder whether it is a good idea for other places in the prison where they aren't supervised--like in the cells. 

I read so many articles about how HIV is running rampant in prisons and when those prisoners are released, they spread it in the public at large.  I've read so many prisoners get the virus while in prison.  This affects blacks and poorer people as we know the judicial system is not fair and these people are more likely to end up in prison for things people with money and good lawyers many times don't go to prison for the same crimes or the whole crack/cocaine issue.  I haven't made up my mind on this issue.  Wondering what you guys think.  Should HIVers share cells with negative prisoners?

http://www.poz.com/articles/prisoners_segregation_HIV_1_18302.shtml

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2010, 07:02:15 AM »
Yes they should be integrated but there should be education and testing and treatment and condoms. 
But I don't know the real situation of living in prisons. For instance, rape.  It would suck big time if you went in, HIV- and were raped by antisocial psychopath types who are HIV+ and don't give a shit if they transmit.
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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2010, 07:14:44 AM »
All prison inmates in Ohio are tested for HIV but jails, are a different story.

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2010, 08:04:58 AM »
I mean it is pointless to segregate or discriminate positive individuals.  It is not a jock and the most important thing should be to teach and show people how this disease is very dangerous.  And in most areas are the best HIV educators are the ones who are the victims of this virus.  I mean the one who knows his status is the best to transfer his experience and convince others about the problem he is having.  HIV was used to seem to me a jock until such time I know how serious in somebody's life.  I think also it is a good move that this country is going to the HIV ban where all positives can get into this country and live in a society equally.   
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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2010, 09:30:02 AM »
HIV seemed to me a jock until such time I know how serious in somebody's life.  I think also it is a good move that this country is going to the HIV ban where all positives can get into this country and live in a society equally.   

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2010, 09:41:25 AM »
I understood perfectly and agree :)
Its like google translate, you have to fix it up a bit.
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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2010, 09:44:00 AM »
I don't think one can have a reasonable opinion on this issue without statistics - how widespread is rape in prison? How many individuals have got the disease in prison over last X years, both via willing and unwilling participation in a sex act?   
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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2010, 09:52:17 AM »
I don't know enough about the intricacies of prison life to comment and/or properly form an opinion on this issue.
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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2010, 10:54:39 AM »
Yeah how can we know, without real stats.  And could we trust the stats?
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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2010, 11:01:39 AM »
Well, there are two sides to the story:

a) rights of hiv+ people who are segregated
b) rights of hiv- people who are potentially at risk

Stats allow one to estimate the risk that (b) face. If it's negligible, we should worry about (a). But if there is a real and significant risk for (b) then authorities may be justified.
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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2010, 01:48:02 PM »
You don't have to be a prisoner in Cuba; if you test positive you are transferred to the western part of the island, and placed in Hitlerish concentration camps forever.  Nice isn't it.  How unfortunate it is that most HIV+ people on the rest of the planet, neither give a shit or know of this stomach turning fact.
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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2010, 02:10:30 PM »
I was talking to a friend today who I know did time in a Alabama prison . He was released over a year ago . He tells me when he was there HIV poz inmates were housed in diffrent dorms at night but that was about it . He also told HIV poz inmates were given double food rations at meal time due to diffrent caloric needs .   

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2010, 02:16:15 PM »
You don't have to be a prisoner in Cuba; if you test positive you are transferred to the western part of the island, and placed in Hitlerish concentration camps forever.  Nice isn't it.  How unfortunate it is that most HIV+ people on the rest of the planet, neither give a shit or know of this stomach turning fact.

Honey, this is no longer true.  I made this point the last time you stated it, and Tim Horn provided a link backing up what I said.
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Offline LordBerners

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2010, 03:31:44 AM »
...It would suck big time if you went in, HIV- and were raped by antisocial psychopath types who are HIV+ and don't give a shit if they transmit.

I won't get into a discussion of the prevalency of rape in prison (though I personally find it easy to believe it is pervasive, I have no evidence or personal experience), but I would like to point out that in the context of a social hierarchy where rape is one of the main levers of power or power/status identifiers, the rapist would not really be 'antisocial' or 'psychopathic', but merely participating in the normal and 'successful' way.  In other words, it is the institution which is to blame (and thus society), not the 'individuals'.

By saying this I am not excusing the behavior at all, but pointing out that we can't just blame it on 'psychopaths' any more than we can blame crime on 'bad guys'.  Rape in prison is an expression of the brutality of our society as a whole, not just an aberration.
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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2010, 06:09:25 AM »
Rape is not the only sorta sex going on in the jug.

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Offline Phoenius10

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2010, 02:41:36 AM »
They should be segregated to some degree, if only to protect the neg people.  Like kept in a different wing of the prison at least during night.  That way no hanky panky can happen with a neg cellie that didn't know.  Everyone would know who the pos people were and be careful should anything happen.  But separating at dinner or elsewhere is not necessary unless one pos prisoner was known to be trying to spread the disease.  Some people are in prison for that you know.  I'd want that person segregated or watched closely.

I just wonder if prisoners are given access to all hiv drugs.  They should be.

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2010, 02:57:51 AM »
Antisocial Personality Disorder  (ASPD or APD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual  as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

I think ASPD isn't even enough to get a psychiatric commitment as a "sexually violent predator" or "sexually dangerous person".   

In my book rapists are clearly ASPD and I don't know of a society that condones rape. Except some gross instances in which it is legal to rape your own wife.

We're assuming a rape in prison is forcing another to have sex against his will.  Society "may" create ASPD people (I'm not sure) but individuals are still responsible for their crimes. 

Sorry for the hijack. 
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Offline Cliff

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2010, 02:59:56 AM »
Separating people with HIV in prison (or otherwise), strikes me as creating 2nd class citizens.  There are consequences of separation.  If they are locked in some special wing, are there services that they won't have access to (as I doubt the prison is funding services for both areas)?  

What about their confidentiality.  Your friend sees you in the "special wing" and then goes off and tells all your family and friends that you have HIV!

If people think there is a risk of sexual transmission, we should encourage safe sex discussion, condom/lube distribution in prison (plus periodic testing), not lock our fellow pozzies in a special ward (even if only at night)!

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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2010, 03:06:53 AM »
Separating people with HIV in prison (or otherwise), strikes me as creating 2nd class citizens.  There are consequences of separation.  If they are locked in some special wing, are there services that they won't have access to (as I doubt the prison is funding services for both areas)?  

What about their confidentiality.  Your friend sees you in the "special wing" and then goes off and tells all your family and friends that you have HIV!

If people think there is a risk of sexual transmission, we should encourage safe sex discussion, condom/lube distribution in prison (plus periodic testing), not lock our fellow pozzies in a special ward (even if only at night)!

In theory I agree. But seems like unreliable ground for "best practice" to give best result.
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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2010, 03:14:20 AM »
What's best results, zero transmission? 

Offline mecch

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2010, 08:50:43 AM »
From a prevention of HIV objective, I think the best result in prison would be the same as not in prison. That is - if you give the public education, condoms, treatment, there are less infections than there would be without. 

But prison is a different ground and I think we need an epedemiologist with prison experience to explain the circumstances. 

I would imagine we are applying all sorts stereotypes and prejudices.  I bet for instance its not unheard of for a HIV- dominant top to use condoms to protect himself, even when somehow forcing someone to have sex.
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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2010, 09:44:24 AM »
I would imagine we are applying all sorts stereotypes and prejudices.
Yes, like criminal (especially those living with HIV) have less rights than we do (or even less than those criminals who don't have HIV).

Me, I don't need an epedemiologist with prison experience to convince me that marking people living with HIV in prison is a good thing.  It ain't and am glad it's being stopped.

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2010, 10:30:18 AM »
Hmmm.  So if I were in prison I'm pretty sure that I would let anyone know who tries to rape me that I was positive, so as to avoid being raped.  Question is do you think that would stop them?

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2010, 11:05:05 AM »
With a face like that, no.

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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2010, 11:22:19 AM »
With a face like that, no.

I know someone who's going on the christmas card list.

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2010, 01:40:46 PM »
Hmmm.  So if I were in prison I'm pretty sure that I would let anyone know who tries to rape me that I was positive, so as to avoid being raped.  Question is do you think that would stop them?

Really?  Hot gang members with tattoos would make me position myself with a very wide stance.
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« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2010, 06:04:31 PM »
Really?  Hot gang members with tattoos would make me position myself with a very wide stance.

LOL I don't have an ex con fetish...then again in a confined setting I might change my tune.  Although there's not a lot of lubricant just hanging around prisons.  That's still a concern for some of us.

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« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2010, 06:06:07 PM »
Although there's not a lot of lubricant just hanging around prisons. 

Done time, eh?

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« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2010, 06:07:56 PM »
Done time, eh?

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« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2010, 06:16:06 PM »
I have a uniform fetish, I make pillow talk with my prison guard/cop tricks.


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« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2010, 06:18:08 PM »

MtD

I would let her do dirty dirty things to my backdoor.

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« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2010, 06:19:06 PM »
I would let her do dirty dirty things to my backdoor.

Just like Shatner. ;)

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« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2010, 06:26:18 PM »
Although there's not a lot of lubricant just hanging around prisons.  That's still a concern for some of us.

I hear New Norvir induced fecal mucosa is great for that.
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« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2010, 01:22:13 AM »
I hear New Norvir induced fecal mucosa is great for that.

I guess that would work.  In the town I grew up, there was a guy everyone called the Valvoline Queen.  They claimed he used motor oil.  While I wouldn't be surprised by that, I'm sure that was a rural legend.

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« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2010, 01:58:10 AM »
Who's everyone?  Straight people called him that? Grannies?
I find it exciting if straight people were curious enough to invent such a provocative lewd knickname.
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« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2010, 02:49:43 AM »
Who's everyone?  Straight people called him that? Grannies?
I find it exciting if straight people were curious enough to invent such a provocative lewd knickname.

I should have clarified.  When I said everyone, I meant all the town gays.  I can't imagine any of the grannies thinking of sticking something up the butt.  Then again.....

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« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2010, 07:27:05 AM »
Motor oil, peanut oil, butter, bacon grease, crisco,
I wonder what they use in prison:
mini packets of mayonnaise?
spit?
nothing

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« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2010, 01:16:36 PM »
Motor oil, peanut oil, butter, bacon grease, crisco,
I wonder what they use in prison:
mini packets of mayonnaise?
spit?
nothing

Alas, blood.
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« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2010, 02:14:22 AM »
Alas, blood.

Prisoners are very inventive.  When I first did the do, I used Vasaline because I had always heard people talk about that being used for anal sex.  It is actually for external use only and comes from petroleum oil.  Since the ass seems to soak up everything so easily, I wonder what octane rating people get?  Seriously, it does seem like it could be toxic in the blood. 

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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2010, 09:58:06 AM »
Why all the lube questions about prison?  How about a good, old-fashioned spit 'n' shove?  I always thought we were equipped with all the lube we'd require (saliva).
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Re: Segregation of HIV Prisoners
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2010, 10:21:01 AM »
Why all the lube questions about prison?  How about a good, old-fashioned spit 'n' shove?  I always thought we were equipped with all the lube we'd require (saliva).

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