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Author Topic: Aronia and Goji berris  (Read 2809 times)

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Offline hla

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Aronia and Goji berris
« on: April 17, 2010, 06:18:17 PM »
I have question for users.
Is fruits like goji berries (Lycium barbarum) and aronia (Aronia melanocarpa) good for people with hiv?
For aronia i found on net that is good for preventing cancers and protects dna, lowers blood presure etc.
Goji berries have some interactions with some meds for blod coagulation but that is all what i find.
And for goji berries i found one post in thebody that is not good for hiv people to eat goji berries--
see link:
http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/Meds/Archive/Alternative/Q181239.html
For both fruit i didn't find interactions with hiv meds.
So if someone uses that fruits if he or she willing to share experiences with them here on forum...

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Re: Aronia and Goji berris
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2010, 10:53:59 PM »
Hi,

I've never heard of Aronia; I'll have to look that one up.  Lycium is an extremely revered item in Chinese medicine; of hundreds of medicinal items, it is one of a handful which is classified as superior.  Five or six of them floating at the top of a bowl of porridge or soup indicates that the dish was prepared with health in mind. 

I have a bag at home and add some to a dish from time to time, especially if I feel a cold coming on, but I've never tried them in any quantity so I cannot report anything from personal experience.  

In a guide to Chinese medicine which I sometimes find useful, wolfberry is mentioned among anti-viral things in the chapter about HIV.  For people with HIV, the book recommends the following:

To support the immune system: aloe vera, asparagus, azuki beans, barley, bitter melon, dandelion greens, fava beans, garlic, ginger, mung beans, seaweed, shiitake mushrooms, turmeric.  

As anti-viral: astragalus, barley, chinese yam (shan yao, or dioscorea), codonopsis, lycium fruit, poria mushrooms, shiitake mushrooms, and white wood ear mushrooms.  

Notice that barley and shiitake mushrooms occur on both lists and are therefore the most highly recommended.  

However, the advice given by Dr. Pierone is interesting and worth taking into consideration.  Part of the problem with long-term HIV is that the immune system is constantly fighting the virus and finally exhausts itself; that being the case, taking stuff that is supposed to stimulate the immune system would indeed not be a good idea.  However, it is worth asking whether lycium--and other things such as astragus--stimulates the immune system, or simply tonifies and supports it. Is it like someone driving the immune system with a whip, or like someone gently offering a helping hand when necessary?  

I suspect the latter, but I do not know.  Without clear and meaningful answers, what do we do?  I try informal experiments on myself all the time.  I take something for a few months; I watch my condition, I notice the results of the next set of labs.  Then I stop taking it and see what, if anything, changes.  That is, to say the least, an imperfect method--it doesn't take into account the fact that the effects of many things are only seen in the long term.  But it is all I can do.

In the meantime I recommend moderation; something we don't take in huge quantities is less likely to backfire on us.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2010, 11:06:58 PM by Nestor »
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Offline hla

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Re: Aronia and Goji berris
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2010, 10:05:26 AM »
Hi,

I've never heard of Aronia; I'll have to look that one up.  Lycium is an extremely revered item in Chinese medicine; of hundreds of medicinal items, it is one of a handful which is classified as superior.  Five or six of them floating at the top of a bowl of porridge or soup indicates that the dish was prepared with health in mind. 

I have a bag at home and add some to a dish from time to time, especially if I feel a cold coming on, but I've never tried them in any quantity so I cannot report anything from personal experience.  

In a guide to Chinese medicine which I sometimes find useful, wolfberry is mentioned among anti-viral things in the chapter about HIV.  For people with HIV, the book recommends the following:

To support the immune system: aloe vera, asparagus, azuki beans, barley, bitter melon, dandelion greens, fava beans, garlic, ginger, mung beans, seaweed, shiitake mushrooms, turmeric.  

As anti-viral: astragalus, barley, chinese yam (shan yao, or dioscorea), codonopsis, lycium fruit, poria mushrooms, shiitake mushrooms, and white wood ear mushrooms.  

Notice that barley and shiitake mushrooms occur on both lists and are therefore the most highly recommended.  

However, the advice given by Dr. Pierone is interesting and worth taking into consideration.  Part of the problem with long-term HIV is that the immune system is constantly fighting the virus and finally exhausts itself; that being the case, taking stuff that is supposed to stimulate the immune system would indeed not be a good idea.  However, it is worth asking whether lycium--and other things such as astragus--stimulates the immune system, or simply tonifies and supports it. Is it like someone driving the immune system with a whip, or like someone gently offering a helping hand when necessary?  

I suspect the latter, but I do not know.  Without clear and meaningful answers, what do we do?  I try informal experiments on myself all the time.  I take something for a few months; I watch my condition, I notice the results of the next set of labs.  Then I stop taking it and see what, if anything, changes.  That is, to say the least, an imperfect method--it doesn't take into account the fact that the effects of many things are only seen in the long term.  But it is all I can do.

In the meantime I recommend moderation; something we don't take in huge quantities is less likely to backfire on us.

Thx, nestor for urs reply!
here is some for eronia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aronia
It comes from North America and is widely known to grow like fruits allmost 50 years.
In Europe is used in former SSSR (Ukraine) for help to people who suffer from radiation from Chernobyl Christophe in 1986..
Scandinavian countries,  Poland, Czech Republic they use aronia for fruit wine, tea, juice and in these countries in Europe are main in distribution these fruit..
I have two bushes of aronia, and one goji berries at home. I think next year i will have some berries to to try (aronia and goji).



 


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