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Offline Ann

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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2010, 11:31:23 AM »
Like I said, that one particular case and its particulars are irrelevant unless you think not a single 18 year old has gotten infected from making bareback porn.  Does it matter or not whether they actually croak in five years?

Just sayin' (as you say)

Like Cliff says, no one here has said that nobody - 18 years old or 58 years old - has ever been infected while being filmed in a porn flick.

I brought up what Chad's mate said because everyone is assuming that just because Chad was positive, that he died of aids-related causes. His friend says otherwise. You know how it often is - a young, gay, hiv positive man could be run over and killed by a bus (deliberate exaggeration, before anyone jumps down my throat) and some people and the media will speculate that it was aids-related causes.

Of course, if it was drug use that killed him as his friend says, I suppose that could be linked to being in the porn industry, but who's to say he wouldn't have ODd even if he was an accountant?
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2010, 11:50:36 AM »
This is a rather curious thread.  It's unclear what the intentions of the OP were by starting it, and it's not easy to see what specific arguments they themselves are advancing about ' the ethics of bareback porn' -  either for or against.

Is it really anything more than attempt to press peoples 'hot topic' button, or is there actually some point here?

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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2010, 11:51:58 AM »
Like Cliff says, no one here has said that nobody - 18 years old or 58 years old - has ever been infected while being filmed in a porn flick.

I brought up what Chad's mate said because everyone is assuming that just because Chad was positive, that he died of aids-related causes. His friend says otherwise. You know how it often is - a young, gay, hiv positive man could be run over and killed by a bus (deliberate exaggeration, before anyone jumps down my throat) and some people and the media will speculate that it was aids-related causes.

Of course, if it was drug use that killed him as his friend says, I suppose that could be linked to being in the porn industry, but who's to say he wouldn't have ODd even if he was an accountant?

It's all a bit of red herring as far as the thread topic goes.
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2010, 12:00:56 PM »
It's all a bit of red herring as far as the thread topic goes.

I'm not the person who originally brought said fish into the thread - but I was responding to the assumptions that Chad died of aids-related causes, despite the fact that a close friend of his says it was drug-related. You have to admit that it is somewhat related to the thread, given the assumptions.

Why so argumentative lately, Miss P? Out of klopinin? ;)
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2010, 12:03:43 PM »

Why so argumentative lately, Miss P? Out of klopinin? ;)

I get some next Friday! :)  Come over and party with me.
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #55 on: April 03, 2010, 12:20:28 PM »
I get some next Friday! :)  Come over and party with me.

I'll be there with bells on! :)
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #56 on: April 03, 2010, 12:35:35 PM »
I dunno - to tell you the truth the words "ethics" and "porn" don't really cross paths that often in my world anyway. I'm not totally convinced you can consume porn and invoke the concept ethics at the same time. That doesn't mean I don't consume it because I'm so very ethical, coz I'm not; I'm just very ambivalent about it. If I notice the clip I'm watching is BB I think, well I hope the money was worth the risk to the actors involved.
Of course I live in a country where it's illegal to produce (though not distribute, sell watch or possess) pornography, so it's all kinda distant to us in a way.

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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2010, 03:28:18 PM »
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2010, 04:17:08 PM »
Skeebo....isn't like all straight porn bareback?  Even when the lady is taking like 10 men?

I ask Skeebo because he is a straight homie :)

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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2010, 05:08:44 PM »
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2010, 05:16:16 PM »
Skeebo....isn't like all straight porn bareback?  Even when the lady is taking like 10 men?

I ask Skeebo because he is a straight homie :)

  The only porn I ever watched was during the heyday of Ebony Ayes and Angel Kelly, and no they never used condoms.  I like porn, don't get me wrong, but I prefer videos of females dancing and shaking... most often referred to as strippers.
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #61 on: April 03, 2010, 05:43:45 PM »
I prefer videos of females dancing and shaking... most often referred to as strippers.

sounds gay
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #62 on: April 03, 2010, 06:13:11 PM »
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #63 on: April 03, 2010, 07:12:02 PM »
isn't like all straight porn bareback? 
having just left a straight roommate to his own devices a few months ago and him having no decency to hid his shameful :D str8 p0rn while we lived in the same house, str8 people use condoms too (and sometimes even in their p0rn). For them it's not so much to avoid teh aids as to avoid the babies. ;)
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #64 on: April 03, 2010, 07:39:29 PM »
having just left a straight roommate to his own devices a few months ago and him having no decency to hid his shameful :D str8 p0rn while we lived in the same house, str8 people use condoms too (and sometimes even in their p0rn). For them it's not so much to avoid teh aids as to avoid the babies. ;)

  Finding straight porn where condoms are used is rare...  and finding a guy who will wrap up for his woman is almost as rare also.   I've been with a lot of women in my lifetime (since 17) and only used a condom constantly with one, and that was because she demanded it. ::)

  The "actors" and "actresses" are all adults. They know the risk and it's on them if they assume the money is worth it.  Is it our fault that we enjoy watching it?  And no, I've never watched a scene and thought to myself, "Gee girly, he just gave you twins." or "oops looks like he just got himself some syphillus".    :D

 Edited to add a minor detail...lol
« Last Edit: April 03, 2010, 08:31:39 PM by skeebo1969 »
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #65 on: April 03, 2010, 07:48:39 PM »
I love straight porn.  I can be the woman, or the man, or go back and forth in my imagination.  I love figuring out how much the woman are acting during especially heavy scenes.  It turns me on to no end , double penetration. I hear its not so great healthwise cause the wall between can tear. This is kind of like bareback issue for gay porn. I can't believe that woman let their butt holes get ripped up like i have seen in porn.  Its such a fantasy I guess for straight guys. Maybe for women too. Though I have notice the big guys don't really slam it to the hilt. Hung gay tops seem to never hesitate to put it all in, or try at least, and so you gotta find the "second door." I rarely see women taking it that far.  
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #66 on: April 03, 2010, 08:22:19 PM »
I might need some poppers now.
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #67 on: April 04, 2010, 01:22:22 AM »
Otherwise about the relevance (or not) of edfu's link, if you think nobody has gotten an HIV infection from making BB movies for the sake of your own selfish, hedonistic porn addiction then you really must be on crack.  Let's also put aside the fact that he was some knarly, emaciated twink from San Diego and ponder those poor two-months-past-18th-birthday Albanian boys that arrive in Prague penniless only to swept up by some American pornographer like William Higgins.

"Oh!  But they must test them once monthly!" -- uh, OK sure.

I was just trying to say bb porn is probably here to stay.  I would hope they would do monthly testing for all performers.  I like most of the old bb porn where it doesn't matter anymore.  The only new porn I ever watch has been of the "straight" navy guys who usually just jack-off.  I was very surprised to see one where they were doing bb sex or sex at all. 

To be totally unhippocritical, we would have to stop consuming all porn where condoms aren't used for oral sex.  Even though the risk is low, it is still possible to contract the virus via oral sex.  I suppose there is a small chance a guy could take a load in the eye and get it.  That would be a very small risk, but still possible.  I guess that is why all porn companies should be doing monthly testing.  To be more safe, they should have a 3-6 month waiting period from the first test before performing.

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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #68 on: April 04, 2010, 11:53:55 AM »

To be totally unhippocritical, we would have to stop consuming all porn where condoms aren't used for oral sex.  Even though the risk is low, it is still possible to contract the virus via oral sex.  I suppose there is a small chance a guy could take a load in the eye and get it.  That would be a very small risk, but still possible.  I guess that is why all porn companies should be doing monthly testing.  To be more safe, they should have a 3-6 month waiting period from the first test before performing.

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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #69 on: April 04, 2010, 12:14:10 PM »
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Condom-less porn (or bareback) is on the rise in gay outlets

The whole argument presented in the article falls flat on its face right there in the opening sentence. There has been a dramatic reduction in the availability of commercial bareback porn over the course of the last few years.

It is naive to assume that bareback porn drives the preference which most people have for unprotected sex. It is also naive to assume that the vast majority of the performers who participate in bareback porn aren't already HIV-positive, and take part in it for that very reason.

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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #70 on: April 04, 2010, 06:13:39 PM »
If it ain't showing at my house, this is a non-argument. Plus, as someone else said "porn industry" and "ethics" don't really go together in one sentence.

On a serious note, the normalisation of gay sex as with condoms is surely a loser, so why should the representation of this in personal fantasy films reflect a losing position? The truth will out. (This is not a comment on labour practices which are deplorable, but the viewer is probably not thinking of them at the salient moment, hence the effective market...).
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #71 on: April 07, 2010, 03:18:56 PM »
I think the only "ethics" involved is honesty between consenting adults. 


By the way, has this thread turned anyone else on?....
.... or is it just me?
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #72 on: April 07, 2010, 06:59:45 PM »
who gives a shit?   AIDS is no biggie, you cretins.
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #73 on: April 07, 2010, 07:02:18 PM »
who gives a shit?   AIDS is no biggie, you cretins.

Heh. :)

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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #74 on: April 07, 2010, 10:30:42 PM »
By the way, has this thread turned anyone else on?....
.... or is it just me?

Been wondering what's gotten into my wife lately,  maybe she has seen this thread.
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #75 on: April 07, 2010, 11:13:19 PM »
who gives a shit?   AIDS is no biggie, you cretins.

My, my, my... What's going on with you lately, Boo?
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #76 on: April 07, 2010, 11:22:53 PM »
My, my, my... What's going on with you lately, Boo?

I wasn't going to say anything, but since you mentioned it these one line sentences have me awfully worried.  Boo, you OK?
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #77 on: April 08, 2010, 02:36:12 AM »
My, my, my... What's going on with you lately, Boo?

It's plain old sarcasm... nothing new for me.

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... Boo, you OK?

Nothing new for skeebo either.
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Re: The Ethics of Bareback Porn
« Reply #78 on: April 10, 2010, 06:58:37 AM »
Generally the less known studios will pay you 200-300 per condom scene and 350-500 per bb scene

So the going rate for Russian Roulette is max $200



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