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Offline Govinda710646

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HIV Exposures outside body
« on: March 14, 2010, 01:06:57 AM »

Hi Everyone,

I don't know whether these going to be very stupid questions to you.I had below exposures and I am very tensed ...Please help me..

1.Can I get infected if some one bites me hardly so that it starts bleeding ?

2.What is the meaning of blood to blood contact when talking about HIV ? Is this mean that if two open cuts come in contact and transmission happens ?

3.I have read that HIV losses infectiousness if comes outside body ? How long does it take to get destroyed ? Is it possible that it will regain its infectiousness if comes in touch  with fresh blood ?

Please answer my questions ...............

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2010, 05:56:29 AM »
Govinda,

1. No. Even if a bite from an HIV positive person is severe enough to make you bleed, you will not contract HIV from it. Saliva contains numerous proteins, enzymes and other substances which inhibit the virus.

2. When we talk about "blood to blood contact" in terms of HIV we mean exposure to HIV positive blood through sharing contaminated injecting equipment such as needles and syringes. Also receiving transfusions of contaminated blood and blood products can transmit HIV.

3. HIV is deactived within a few minutes of being outside of the body. It is a fussy, fragile virus which is very sensitive to even minor changes in temperature, pH and other environmental factors. Once deactived HIV cannot be reactivated. It is loses it's infectiousness forever.

Please read our Welcome Thread and follow the links to the AIDSmeds Lessons on HIV transmission.

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 12:34:23 AM »
Thanks for ur reply..

Just last question ..

As you said HIV becomes inactive after few minutes after being exposed outside its host..

What if any exposure happens in this time?

Will someone be infected if he gets exposed in this time ?

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2010, 12:38:35 AM »
Thanks for ur reply..

Just last question ..

As you said HIV becomes inactive after few minutes after being exposed outside its host..

What if any exposure happens in this time?

Will someone be infected if he gets exposed in this time ?

No Govinda,

HIV has to be transmitted inside the body - that is in the rectum or vagina. HIV needs special conditions to spread to another person. Such conditions do not exist outside of the body or on the surface the skin.

MtD

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2010, 12:42:12 AM »
thanks a lot.

let say one condition when infected blood comes in touch to  a fresh cut..so it is possible that infected blood can enter into body through the cut..

Will you say that this is also no risk ?

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2010, 12:44:06 AM »
Yes I would Govinda.

Fresh cuts bleed outwards, meaning it is difficult for things to get in through them, especially a fragile virus such as HIV.

Do you have a particular risk you would like to discuss with us? If so please state it. We will not get into an endless cycle of question and answer with you.

MtD

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2010, 12:50:31 AM »
Sorry ..

Here is my exposure..

One of my friend known to be hiv+ met an accident and I was helping him..infect I had to..I was having small fresh cut..Now I am thinking that if his infected blood get in my body through my cut and infects me?
Please answer in detail...

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2010, 12:52:38 AM »
No Govinda,

You were not at risk from this incident. You do not need to be tested for HIV as a result.

I have already explained in detail how HIV is and is not transmitted.

MtD

Offline Govinda710646

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2010, 12:55:47 AM »
But why I am asking this question is I saw that infected blood touched my cut and I am thinking that if infected blood may enter in my body through the cut.

Is it possible ?

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2010, 08:17:52 AM »
Theoretically it is possible but in the real world of HIV transmission doesn't happen that way. HIV is a fragile virus and quickly becomes not viable when exposed to the air. As far as your "fresh" cut is concerned, although to the naked eye it may appear to be open, as a part of the healing process your skin very quickly begins to form a protective covering which is not visible to the naked eye.

You are worrying needlessly.
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Offline Govinda710646

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2010, 01:15:41 AM »
Sorry to disturb you again..

But when infected blood gets in contact with broken skin that means it touches inner part of skin which can bind hiv quickly.Then why it is not possible in real world ?

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2010, 01:18:59 AM »
If I go with your comment also, The covering which is created to heal your cut -is that enough protective like intact skin against HIV.Probably not...Then is not it risky ?

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2010, 09:02:47 AM »
You are obsessing over something that was never a risk to begin with. We're not going to hold your hand everytime you have another doubt. Your situation was evaluated and you've been told unequivocally that you weren't at risk. You can believe us or not.

Read our lesson on Transmission. There's a link to it in the Welcome thread which opens this section.

However, I can tell you that if you continue to come back repeatedly about this non-risk, you are very quickly going to find yourself getting a 28 day Time Out from the site.

You are worrying needlessly.
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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2010, 09:23:05 AM »
HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions, therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.

Offline Govinda710646

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2010, 10:00:08 AM »
Thanks andy,

Probably I was thinking wrongly.
Thanks for your support....

God knows what is there in my destiny..
Thanks again..

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2010, 10:11:16 AM »
You're welcome. You need to just get on with your life.
Andy Velez

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2010, 09:29:52 AM »
Hi Andy,

Sorry to bother you agiain.
This time I want some clarifications from you.

Is this true that in order to get infected blood should penetrate various layer and touch the blood stram.?
Is that mean blood to blood contact(uclers to cut)or (cut to cut) will not result in infection ?

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2010, 09:37:57 AM »
You're talking in abstracts. We don't like getting into that. We've considered the specific details of the concerns with initially brought you here. We've told you that your fears are unwarranted and why.

If you continue to return with these abstract questions that have nothing to do with any real life  incident you're going to get yourself a 28 day Time Out.

HIV is not your problem at this point. If you haven't already done so, your time would be better spent reading the lesson on Transmission. There's a link to it in the Welcome thread which opens this section.

Consider yourself warned.  
« Last Edit: March 22, 2010, 09:40:54 AM by Andy Velez »
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Offline Govinda710646

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2010, 12:46:32 AM »
Thanks for the reminder.

But may I know what is my fault? Probably I want to make me clear about any doubt I have on HIV.I just wanted to know that when two open cuts come in contact, there are exchange of blood. Then why it is considered no risk ?

For this, you guys are warning me..k..
Thanks everyone..

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2010, 06:58:13 AM »
Gov,

If you had a deep cut and someone else had a deep cut and you rubbed your cuts together, that would be a risk. But why on earth would you do that?

I'm giving you that time out you've been warned about. Do not attempt to create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned.

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Offline Govinda710646

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Superficial Blood Exposure Risk!!!
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2010, 01:17:35 AM »
Sorry to all,Probably it will be stupid question to u...But I am stressed..

Yesterday I shook hands with some one. I was having a cut..After that suddenly I noticed that there was some blood..Now I am thinking that it might come from his hand's cut.. What is the chance of hiv?You may be saying that superficial exposures are not risk ??But is there any scientific reason behind this ?

Offline Govinda710646

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Re: Superficial Blood Exposure Risk!!!
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2010, 01:19:50 AM »
You may delete this thread..But I just wanted some scientific fact of superficial blood exposures..like cut to cut...broken skin..scratches....

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Re: Superficial Blood Exposure Risk!!!
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2010, 01:31:51 AM »
I got 28 days time out earlier..In this time I tried to educate myself..But one think I could not understand from the welcome thread that u guys never consider blood exposures as a risk .... I have seen many replies by andy,ann,rod that "Use condom each and every time and u will be well protected from HIV"..why u guys are not caring about blood exposures.... ?

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Re: Superficial Blood Exposure Risk!!!
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2010, 02:30:34 AM »
Please keep all your thoughts questions and comments in your original thread. This helps us follow your story and give you the most accurate advice.

If you cannot find your original thread, please click the red link I have posted above. Alternatively you can use the "Show own posts" link which appears in the uppermost left hand column on any forum page.

Your questions will not be answered unless you return to your original thread

Please take the time to read our Welcome Thread and familiarise yourself with the posting guidelines.
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Offline Govinda710646

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2010, 08:08:50 AM »
I got 28 days time out earlier..In this time I tried to educate myself..But one think I could not understand from the welcome thread that u guys never consider blood exposures as a risk .... I have seen many replies by andy,ann,rod that "Use condom each and every time and u will be well protected from HIV"..why u guys are not caring about blood exposures.... ?

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2010, 08:15:59 AM »
I've merged your threads here. Please follow our rule in the future and keep all of your entries in this same thread.

Ann has already responded about bleeding wounds, that a risk would have to be one in which open wounds from both would have to be bleeding into each other and WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? No, if HIV were that easy to transmit the epidemic would be far worse than it is.

And I what I say that you didn't quote in entirety is that if you use condoms consistently you will be well protected from the sexual transmission of HIV. It isn't that other means of transmission aren't theoretically possible. They are, but in the real world of HIV we know that overall HIV transmission is about unprotected intercourse (and the sharing of needless intravenously.)

You need to let go of this issue and move on with your life or you will very quickly find yourself getting another Time Out.  
« Last Edit: April 25, 2010, 10:00:21 AM by Andy Velez »
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Offline Govinda710646

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2010, 08:21:26 AM »
Sorry Andy,

Do u mean to say that superficial blood exposures are not risk ? But I have read somewhere that it happens by superficial blood exposures also..Probably I am troubling u a lot...But I just wanted be clear about the transmission way of hiv so that it helps me as well others to be protected from it...thats it..

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2010, 08:27:37 AM »
Generally we don't like to get into discussions that are abstract in nature. We prefer to talk about a specific incident which someone is concerned about. A term like "superficial blood exposure" is that kind of rather meaningless abstraction. In the ordinary course of living cuts, bruises and the like happen in all sorts of ways. Those are not risks because someone else's blood bleeding into another person's open wound is simply not even remotely a likely occurence.

Read our lesson on Transmission if you haven't already done so. All the basics are covered there. I'm not willing to get into further discussion about this kind of abstract concern. Exposures outside of the body are not an immediate or serious concern in terms of HIV transmission.
Andy Velez

Offline Govinda710646

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2010, 11:39:02 AM »
thanks man,

I have already read it many times..But I could not find anything about blood exposures and their risks ...that is why I came back again to ask u the reason behind it. U guys are much concerned about sexual transmission..but why so ignorance for blood exposures..lets take some scenarios..

1.Wound to wound contact..

2.Needle exposures..

3.Open cuts..

U guys are happily assessing these as NO RISK...

You may ban me for this post..but believe me my intention is only to get some scientific information  about the HIV transmission..thts it..


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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2010, 12:54:05 PM »
It isn't ignorance on our part about blood exposures. It's because in the real world of HIV transmission just doesn't happen that way. If it was a problem we would have included it in the Transmission lesson.

You don't have to believe us but I can tell you if continue to return about this issue you will just get yourself another time out.

You are worrying needlessly.
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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2010, 11:27:11 PM »
The only needle exposures which have been documented as having a risk for HIV infection are instances when people injecting IV drugs share needles. This has been determined NOT through anecdotal evidence, but carefully controlled case study, laboratory experiments with simians (and other mammals) and laboratory experiments documenting the ability or lack thereof) of HIV to survive outside an anaerobic environment for any length of time.

If you want to research this yourself, please utilize the aegis.com website. It tends to be a bit dry, but it has many of the studies that you seek.

These determinations were not made all at once, but over the course of many years of study. Happily, they were made relatively early in the years since the HIV pandemic was identified. Subsequent study, especially couples' studies made after the advent of successful anti-retroviral therapy in the mid 1990s, have narrowed, rather than widened, the scope of transmission risk.

The days of worrying about "microscopic cuts" and such are, thanks to science, behind us. Not due to one study, or one sector of determination. But thanks to the entirety of HIV science and epidemiology.

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2010, 09:34:17 AM »
Hi Andy,

I was tough enough to move on with my life after your valuable comments..But yesterday again  something happened that made me worried again...

I was traveling in public bus.It was very crowded.Suddenly I noticed some blood in my arms where I was having small cut which I got before few minutes...

Can u please tell me what to do with this..

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2010, 10:25:44 AM »
Put a bandaide on it if needed and move on.

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Re: HIV Exposures outside body
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2010, 10:31:55 AM »
That's another non-risk incident which you would recognize if  you were really listening to what we have been saying to you for sometime here.

What should you do? Get on with your life and get yourself some professional help to deal with your ongoing unwarranted fears about HIV.

I'm giving you another Time Out. This one is for 56 days. Don't make the mistake of trying to get around it by creating a new name for yourself. We'll spot that right off and it will get you permanently banned from the site.

Get yourself some help. We can't provide that to you in this setting. HIV is not your problem.
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