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Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« on: March 08, 2010, 03:13:49 AM »
Coming from those of you who do herbal-supplements and vitamins in addition to meds, what would you recommend for a near middle-aged male with HIV? Some have said Grapeseed Extract & Juniper Berry, others told me to up my Selenium and Fish Oil. Any suggestions/advice?
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2010, 03:50:23 AM »
Check out CATIE supplement sheets.  Happy reading:

http://www.catie.ca/supple-e.nsf/supplement+sheets
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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2010, 03:56:18 AM »
Check out CATIE supplement sheets.  Happy reading:

http://www.catie.ca/supple-e.nsf/supplement+sheets

OH, Thank You SO much! This is EXTREMELY helpful!!!
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2010, 04:00:14 AM »
Blackwing, I'd encourage you to go read through the history of threads on this board. You'll learn a lot about the various herbs and supplements we've experimented with over time -- and you'll learn, as did I, that their claims generally haven't lived up to the hype.

Right now, the consensus, backed up by articles and reports published on this and other sites, seems to be centering around high doses of Vitamin D, supplemental calcium, and fish oil; probiotics also garner mention. The need for supplemental selenium looks to be on the wane; its supporting research was done during pre-HAART days.
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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2010, 05:51:42 AM »
Oh and fish oil has pcbs.  So just eat fresh fish.
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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2010, 08:11:04 AM »
Multi-vitamian and fish oil is all I take. The fish oil was my Dr's idea because my HDL was so low. I ran across this graphic on digg a little while ago. It might help you separate the fish oil from the snake oil.

http://i.imgur.com/PzYiL.png
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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2010, 12:16:30 PM »
Oh and fish oil has pcbs.  So just eat fresh fish.

Fresh fish has PCBs too ;).

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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2010, 01:33:09 PM »
Blackwing, I'd encourage you to go read through the history of threads on this board. You'll learn a lot about the various herbs and supplements we've experimented with over time -- and you'll learn, as did I, that their claims generally haven't lived up to the hype.

Right now, the consensus, backed up by articles and reports published on this and other sites, seems to be centering around high doses of Vitamin D, supplemental calcium, and fish oil; probiotics also garner mention. The need for supplemental selenium looks to be on the wane; its supporting research was done during pre-HAART days.

I never found any supplements making any claims - just lots of naysayers who want to tell you not to take anything at all except what a doctor prescribes you.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2010, 02:55:46 PM »
just lots of naysayers

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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2010, 05:43:39 PM »
Would that be The Cabal?

You'd know better than I.... I'm still new here.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2010, 05:50:08 PM »
You'd know better than I.... I'm still new here.

He was asking which "Naysayers" you were referring to.

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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2010, 05:50:39 PM »
Talk about passive aggressive.
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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2010, 05:51:50 PM »
Talk about passive aggressive.

Yes, that IS what I'd call what you're doing.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2010, 07:01:45 PM »
Blackwing, the catie sight has lots of information. You can also look at New York Buyers Club website.  There are tons of recommendations available one you start googling a specific supplement and HIV.
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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2010, 07:19:10 PM »
Blackwing, the catie sight has lots of information. You can also look at New York Buyers Club website.  There are tons of recommendations available one you start googling a specific supplement and HIV.

Thank you so much! It IS appreciated!
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2010, 07:23:23 PM »
He was asking which "Naysayers" you were referring to.
nay∑say∑er [ nŠy sŗy ər ] (plural nay∑say∑ers) noun
Definition:an objector. somebody who speaks against something, especially somebody who habitually expresses contrary opinions

I was referring to the ones who are against taking vitamins and herbal-supplements in addition to their prescribed regimen.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2010, 07:29:38 PM »
nay∑say∑er [ nŠy sŗy ər ] (plural nay∑say∑ers) noun
Definition:an objector. somebody who speaks against something, especially somebody who habitually expresses contrary opinions

I was referring to the ones who are against taking vitamins and herbal-supplements in addition to their prescribed regimen.


So I'm not sure you've caught onto how this forum thingy works...lemme help you out.  You asked for some information.  People responded in kind with their opinions for and against any particular thing.  You were referenced some information that's a little bit more objective.  Why you lobbed the first stone by referring to anyone as a naysayer is beyond me.  They gave their opinion, that it is not in line with your own just means it's different (not right or wrong).  It looks like the consensus amongst most of the forum members here is that most of the herbal stuff is crap.  Multivitamin, calcium+D, fish oil, and probiotics all got good reviews.  If you didn't want our opinions, why did you ask at all?  You could've found the resources on your own or through reading back through older threads.  There's no need to argue or call names.  Everyone here isn't against you contrary to what you may think.

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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2010, 07:40:18 PM »
I began seeing a new Doctor and she recommended for me to take Prenatal Vitamins.  She said she recommends that to all her HIV patients.
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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2010, 07:56:17 PM »
So I'm not sure you've caught onto how this forum thingy works...lemme help you out.  You asked for some information.  People responded in kind with their opinions for and against any particular thing.  You were referenced some information that's a little bit more objective.  Why you lobbed the first stone by referring to anyone as a naysayer is beyond me.  They gave their opinion, that it is not in line with your own just means it's different (not right or wrong).  It looks like the consensus amongst most of the forum members here is that most of the herbal stuff is crap.  Multivitamin, calcium+D, fish oil, and probiotics all got good reviews.  If you didn't want our opinions, why did you ask at all?  You could've found the resources on your own or through reading back through older threads.  There's no need to argue or call names.  Everyone here isn't against you contrary to what you may think.

OK, while you are busy trying to take offense to something and busy trying to find something to take offense at - I wasn't referring to either of you, I was referring to people who are adamantly against taking supplements in addition to your meds. I asked those who WEREN'T desperate for somebody to fight with what supplements they recommend - and intended an answer from someone who IS for taking supplements.. I COULD'VE gone on Google to try to find it, but I didn't... I asked members of this forum because they have first-hand experience with HIV. I wasn't arguing with anyone and I wasn't calling anyone any names. Now get over yourself, princess. Geez.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2010, 07:56:43 PM »
I began seeing a new Doctor and she recommended for me to take Prenatal Vitamins.  She said she recommends that to all her HIV patients.

That's a good idea, actually.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2010, 11:31:04 PM »
I began seeing a new Doctor and she recommended for me to take Prenatal Vitamins.  She said she recommends that to all her HIV patients.

Might prenatal vitamins have too much iron for men? I checked the ingredients of several prenatal vitamins on the Walgreens web site; the iron content ranged between 25 and 30 mg.

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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2010, 11:41:05 PM »
Might prenatal vitamins have too much iron for men? I checked the ingredients of several prenatal vitamins on the Walgreens web site; the iron content ranged between 25 and 30 mg.

I take 27 mg of Iron a day anyway....
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2010, 11:47:57 PM »

Blackwingbear,

Do you have a reason for taking iron?  Most men have too much iron in their system to begin with and taking extra as a supplement is said to be one of the worst things we could do.  Do you specifically have a deficiency and know you need some? 
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Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2010, 11:54:47 PM »
Blackwingbear,

Do you have a reason for taking iron?  Most men have too much iron in their system to begin with and taking extra as a supplement is said to be one of the worst things we could do.  Do you specifically have a deficiency and know you need some? 

I began taking it as the multivitamin I take doesn't contain Iron. What is the normal level for a middle-aged male to consume daily?
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2010, 12:27:32 AM »
I've just pulled down from the shelf a guide to health which I won't dare name as it would incur the wrath of those hostile to "alternative" medicine, who are numerous here.  Without quoting from it at length, the message of the relevant chapter is as follows:

1. The average man already had enough or, in fact, more than enough iron in his system, and the tendency to excess increases with age.  

2. Even a moderately healthy diet contains plenty of iron.  That is, you have to be making a conscious effort to get enough zinc or enough potassium from your food, but even the average American probably gets enough iron.  

3. The consequences of excessive iron in a man's bloodstream are dire and range from oxidative stress, inflammation, artery disease, cancer, general heaviness of body and mind.  

Also, most minerals need to be in balance with other minerals in order to function properly.  In the case of iron, there needs to be a certain balance between it and zinc and copper; too much of any one of the three can lead to deficiencies in the others.  Since many of us do not get enough zinc to begin with, excess iron could result in serious zinc deficiency, which for many of us is a real problem.  Most multi-vitamins designed for men--like the one you mention--deliberately do not include iron because men already have enough; they contain zinc and copper in order to bring them into balance.  

Personally, I avoid anything in pill form and try to get all my vitamins and minerals from food.  For example, I eat oysters a lot because I believe in zinc, I eat almonds regularly for vitamin E, and I eat various things (tuna, barley, mushrooms) to get selenium.  Liver and kidneys are healthy food, despite lots of iron, because, also being rich in copper, they don't lead to imbalance.  Most whole foods, eaten in sane quantities, and in something resembling a rational balance with other whole foods, will produce a reasonable balance of nutrients.  It's when we start taking supplements that we need to worry.  

I hope this helps!  
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Summer 2004--became HIV+
Dec. 2005--found out

Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
Aug '11      677     22      21,000
Sept. '12    747     15      14,000

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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2010, 12:39:39 AM »
I began taking it as the multivitamin I take doesn't contain Iron. What is the normal level for a middle-aged male to consume daily?
the better ? to ask is why are u taking it if u don't know that answer? ;)

I recently started taking a multi-vitamin because the SC ADAP pharmacy that my clinic runs prescription though gives me a free bottle every month ;), and these don't make me puke like so many others have that I tried years ago ;D. (there I was in the other thread dissing SC :D, yet they do give me free vitamins even if they are going to quit paying for HIV meds. ::)) I don't take anything else because I haven't a clue about what is needed or what dosages.  :D

(I just realized too that I also haven't noticed any change in health over the last 4 months of taking these vitamins either.  :-\ ::) hmmm. i may just quit then if it's not going to make my health any different than not taking it. Maybe I'll give it another 2 months and evaluate the value of vitamins at 6 months)
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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2010, 10:00:43 AM »
I've just pulled down from the shelf a guide to health which I won't dare name as it would incur the wrath of those hostile to "alternative" medicine, who are numerous here.

So I have noticed!
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Re: Herbs/Vitamins/Supplements to take?
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2010, 10:02:16 AM »
1. The average man already had enough or, in fact, more than enough iron in his system, and the tendency to excess increases with age.  

2. Even a moderately healthy diet contains plenty of iron.  That is, you have to be making a conscious effort to get enough zinc or enough potassium from your food, but even the average American probably gets enough iron.  

3. The consequences of excessive iron in a man's bloodstream are dire and range from oxidative stress, inflammation, artery disease, cancer, general heaviness of body and mind.  


Well, with that in mind perhaps I'd best stave-off of it.
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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2010, 10:04:54 AM »
(I just realized too that I also haven't noticed any change in health over the last 4 months of taking these vitamins either.  :-\ ::) hmmm. i may just quit then if it's not going to make my health any different than not taking it. Maybe I'll give it another 2 months and evaluate the value of vitamins at 6 months)

What do you consider a change in your health here? A multivitamin provides the nutrients your body needs to continue functioning.
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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2010, 10:06:36 AM »
What do you consider a change in your health here? A multivitamin provides the nutrients your body needs to continue functioning.

So does eating.

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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2010, 10:07:47 AM »
So does eating.

If your diet has a broad enough range of vitamins and nutrients, true!!
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« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2010, 10:08:44 AM »
I've had four HIV specialists/GPs over the course of 17 years and each one has specified a multi-vitamin without iron.

It's always wise for the patient to initiate a discussion with their doctor about what vitamins, etc. they take with their HIV meds so that one avoids the situation the OP finds himself in.
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« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2010, 10:09:21 AM »
I take 27 mg of Iron a day anyway....

I began taking it as the multivitamin I take doesn't contain Iron. What is the normal level for a middle-aged male to consume daily?

You really need to spend more time researching the supplements you take or are thinking of taking and less time belly-aching about the antiretrovirals that will save your life.  Nestor has given you the dire consequences of having too much iron in your system.  The recommended daily amount of iron for men 19 years and older is 8 mg, and that includes from the food you eat, which should be sufficient.  The absolute daily maximum amount for those deficient in iron is 45 mg.  You need to have your blood tested for iron levels to determine if you are deficient or have too much.  Check this out:

http://dietary-supplements.info.nih.gov/factsheets/iron.asp

Several years ago I was diagnosed with hemochromatosis, which is too much iron in my system.  The cure is phlebotomy, wherein a pint of blood is removed once or twice a week for several months to a year.  This blood is then actually discarded.  Terrible.  Luckily, my doctor figured that my excessive iron might be coming from a common brand-name multi-vitamin with iron I was taking; he advised switching to a multi-vitamin, like you are currently taking, that does not contain any iron.  That actually solved the problem.  So the level of iron in your blood can be quite sensitive and should not be fooled with willy-nilly.  

See if your doctor will test your iron level the next time you get your blood tested, and in the meantime stop taking the supplement.  Good luck.      
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« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2010, 10:09:48 AM »
I take 27 mg of Iron a day anyway....

Heart attack city...

Unless you are losing blood through monthly menstruation (which doesn't seem too likely eh?  :) ) you don't need an iron supplement.  And excessive iron in the diet can increase heart attack risk for people with certain (not uncommon) genes.
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« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2010, 10:12:51 AM »
You really need to spend more time researching the supplements you take or are thinking of taking and less time belly-aching about the antiretrovirals that will save your life.

Show me a quote where I belly-ache about taking Atripla. Go ahead, I dare ya - you won't because I love the shit. Ever think maybe that your assumptions are wrong??
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« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2010, 10:13:57 AM »
I've had four HIV specialists/GPs over the course of 17 years and each one has specified a multi-vitamin without iron.

It's always wise for the patient to initiate a discussion with their doctor about what vitamins, etc. they take with their HIV meds so that one avoids the situation the OP finds himself in.

TRUE. Unfortunately, I'm in Georgia - I get to see my doctor MAYBE once every 5-6 months.
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« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2010, 10:15:17 AM »
TRUE. Unfortunately, I'm in Georgia - I get to see my doctor MAYBE once every 5-6 months.

And how long have you been ingesting all of this iron, pray tell?
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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2010, 10:18:09 AM »
And how long have you been ingesting all of this iron, pray tell?

Just a couple months now, as the multivitamin I switched to doesn't contain it (sharing a multivitamin container with my other-half who has polycythemia and cannot take iron). Seeing as I don't need it and shouldn't take it, I can cut that out.
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« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2010, 10:22:34 AM »
Show me a quote where I belly-ache about taking Atripla. Go ahead, I dare ya - you won't because I love the shit. Ever think maybe that your assumptions are wrong??

...just trying to get your attention.   ;D
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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2010, 10:23:29 AM »
Just a couple months now, as the multivitamin I switched to doesn't contain it (sharing a multivitamin container with my other-half who has polycythemia and cannot take iron). Seeing as I don't need it and shouldn't take it, I can cut that out.


That's good that it's only a couple of months.  I could be wrong, but I think it's women that need iron so maybe you can just give your stuff to a girl and go buy some new without iron.  Still, I will reiterate that if you want to go down the supplement road just shove a list of what your taking at your doctor and make him discuss it.

Personally I'm not a "naysayer" about this topic, as I took loads of stuff in the early/mid-90's, but I've now arrived at a less-is-more approach as it leads to less potential conflicts.  You know how a couple years later you can easily find out that you shouldn't have been taking this or that, etc.  So I just keep it simple with the multi-vitamin, fish oil (really only needed if your lipid profile is slightly elevated, though personally I've only seen it have a slight effect) and calcium/vit-D (your Atripla contains tenofovir so I'd actually highly recommend taking this to counteract any bone density issues down the road -- in fact I'd make it a priority of doing it even above other stuff).
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« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2010, 10:24:23 AM »
...just trying to get your attention.   ;D

Um...Why? *facepalm*
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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2010, 10:26:46 AM »
Personally I'm not a "naysayer" about this topic, as I took loads of stuff in the early/mid-90's, but I've now arrived at a less-is-more approach as it leads to less potential conflicts.  You know how a couple years later you can easily find out that you shouldn't have been taking this or that, etc.  So I just keep it simple with the multi-vitamin, fish oil (really only needed if your lipid profile is slightly elevated, though personally I've only seen it have a slight effect) and calcium/vit-D (your Atripla contains tenofovir so I'd actually highly recommend taking this to counteract any bone density issues down the road -- in fact I'd make it a priority of doing it even above other stuff).

Thank you, Miss P... That was helpful - I hadn't considered the effect of the Tenofovir!  :)
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« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2010, 10:35:47 AM »
Um...Why? *facepalm*

You, yesterday at 2:03:  "I'm an arrogant asshole...and proud of it."   ::)

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« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2010, 11:47:38 AM »
You, yesterday at 2:03:  "I'm an arrogant asshole...and proud of it."   ::)

Yeah... So? It's kept me alive this long. Or was that the problem you had with the statement?
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« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2010, 11:49:05 AM »
You, yesterday at 2:03:  "I'm an arrogant asshole...and proud of it."   ::)

Somehow I really fail to see the connection you are trying to make here.
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« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2010, 11:56:52 AM »
I'm sorry.  My sense of humor is vile.  I was just trying to help. 
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« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2010, 01:08:10 PM »
I'm sorry.  My sense of humor is vile.  I was just trying to help. 

No problem at all. I have a really weird sense of humor myself that most people don't get.
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