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Offline RapidRod

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2010, 05:24:49 PM »
some of the people here who think i shouldn't feel burdened by condoms obliterating the advantages of that sensitivity, that's who.
You didn't get here by using condoms correctly and consistently.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2010, 05:25:38 PM »
You didn't get here by using condoms correctly and consistently.

u lie poorly, u have no idea how i got here.  ::)

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2010, 05:26:43 PM »
::) tell me again about how harmless a longterm viral load of 60,000+ is "as long as it's not changing"...?

Not what I said. Also unrelated to this thread. Nice attempt to verbal Matty the Damned, but your efforts are made of failsauce.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2010, 05:28:55 PM »


   Anyone want any popcorn?  We can sprinkle some DVD cleaner on it.
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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2010, 05:31:00 PM »
Not what I said. Also unrelated to this thread. Nice attempt to verbal Matty the Damned, but your efforts are made of failsauce.

MtD

 ::) u've been guzzling that failsauce again, haven't u...

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=31431.msg385230#msg385230

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #55 on: March 02, 2010, 05:34:04 PM »

   Anyone want any popcorn?  We can sprinkle some DVD cleaner on it.
Thanks for the offer Tom, but my nose is stuffed up..

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #56 on: March 02, 2010, 05:46:05 PM »
u lie poorly, u have no idea how i got here.  ::)
I didn't say how you got here. I said you didn't get here by using condoms correctly and consistently.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #57 on: March 02, 2010, 05:48:16 PM »
I didn't say how you got here. I said you didn't get here by using condoms correctly and consistently.

oh, dude...u should be ashamed of such piss-poor trolling. double-talk? ick....ick.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #58 on: March 02, 2010, 06:07:55 PM »
Jeton,  Is english your second or third language?

U is NOT a word in the english dictionary.  Neither are many of the words you purport to understand.

Of course, your dogma is getting in the way of your clairity also.   :O
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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #59 on: March 02, 2010, 06:08:51 PM »
oh, dude...u should be ashamed of such piss-poor trolling. double-talk? ick....ick.
oh, dude...u should be ashamed of such piss-poor trolling. double-talk? ick....ick.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #60 on: March 02, 2010, 07:13:47 PM »
Jeton,  Is english your second or third language?

U is NOT a word in the english dictionary.  Neither are many of the words you purport to understand.

Of course, your dogma is getting in the way of your clairity also.   :O

i didn't ask u for spelling lessons, and ur sad trolling is no less pathetic than that of rapidrod. i'd challenge u to define my 'dogma' as u see it, but it's fairly obvious that ur hostility is inchoate and incoherent.

how's that for 'clairity' ?  ::)

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2010, 07:20:00 PM »
i didn't ask u for spelling lessons, and ur sad trolling is no less pathetic than that of rapidrod. i'd challenge u to define my 'dogma' as u see it, but it's fairly obvious that ur hostility is inchoate and incoherent.

how's that for 'clairity' ?  ::)
For clarification for you.

Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2010, 07:28:57 PM »
For clarification for you.

Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

it's obvious that u consider disagreements with ur silly n often poorly reasoned orthodoxy to be "trolling", but i'm fairly on-topic in these forums...except when i take the bait of responding to the childish insults and bizarrely empty arguments of urself n a few others.

poppers BAD, btw. :)

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2010, 07:31:01 PM »
jeton, are you even positive?

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #64 on: March 02, 2010, 07:32:04 PM »
My brother was reminding me how we use to smell car exhaust as kids--like 4 yrs old.  This was back when it was leaded gas.  I remember it smelling so good.  Maybe this is what is wrong with me today..lol.  Our parents would yell at us and then put us in the car without car seats and would smoke with the windows up.  So, I doubt poppers in moderations are bad.  I love that laughing gas at the dentist.  My first job at 16 was at DQ.  We made our own whipped cream and had our own nitrous tank.  Fun times.

 


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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #65 on: March 02, 2010, 07:39:51 PM »

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #66 on: March 02, 2010, 07:52:16 PM »
61 posts and not once have you mentioned your status. You need to read the posting guidelines of this forum.

edited. It was brought to my attention that you did put a liitle paragraph on what meds you are on.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2010, 08:11:11 PM by RapidRod »

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #67 on: March 02, 2010, 08:09:53 PM »
61 posts and not once have you mentioned your status. You need to read the posting guidelines of this forum.

Ahem -- he has mentioned his HAART meds however, when quoting Veritas and saying he had the same combo. And don't the posting guidelines say "Please be courteous of other members. "?

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9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #68 on: March 02, 2010, 08:14:00 PM »
Ahem -- he has mentioned his HAART meds however, when quoting Veritas and saying he had the same combo. And don't the posting guidelines say "Please be courteous of other members. "?

(Good grief !)
Assurbanipal, we have to give some lead way for some. Unless you read the posting guidelines you'd miss that part.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #69 on: March 02, 2010, 08:33:51 PM »
Hey Jeton

A lot of folks start a separate thread and introduce themselves.  Its no guarantee that there won't be a pissing match but sometimes it helps  (Hint hint  :)  )

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5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #70 on: March 02, 2010, 09:40:26 PM »
inhalants r bad for u, period.

as a top i get many bottoms using poppers in an effort to "take" me (they claim it helps their rectal canal relax), but besides some momentary inebriation on their part, i noticed no difference in their rectal canal...and my penis is exquisitely sensitive.

if ur not dependent on the hi psychologically, my advice is to avoid them...they serve no purpose, like sniffing glue.

I believe everyone is correct here. I don't believe there has been any research which has concluded any long term or significant issues arising from the occasional use of poppers. However, chronic use has been found to cause some neurological damage.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #71 on: March 02, 2010, 11:15:48 PM »
i didn't ask u for spelling lessons, and ur sad trolling is no less pathetic than that of rapidrod. i'd challenge u to define my 'dogma' as u see it, but it's fairly obvious that ur hostility is inchoate and incoherent.

how's that for 'clairity' ?  ::)

Clear as mud. As I said to you elsewhere, it's difficult to take someone seriously who can't even be bothered to write out as simple a word as you. I've got my eye on you. And don't the rest of you take that as licence to go on the attack. It's not.



You bottom queens who need poppers to take a big'un should take a lesson from me. WTF? Just relax on your own. ??? If you don't want that big boy up there, just say no, don't resort to poppers. Jeeze.
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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #72 on: March 03, 2010, 12:22:28 AM »
Just relax on your own. ??? If you don't want that big boy up there, just say no, don't resort to poppers. Jeeze.

Everyone knows Brits have needle dicks.  Graduate to Dominicans and get back to me, ya hear?
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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #73 on: March 03, 2010, 12:29:22 AM »
Everyone knows Brits have needle dicks.  Graduate to Dominicans and get back to me, ya hear?

That is really unfair to the Brythons  ;).  Pencil dicks perhaps, the needle comparison is kinda harsh.
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« Reply #74 on: March 03, 2010, 12:51:40 AM »
Poor Harry. (NSFW) :(

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #75 on: March 03, 2010, 12:59:42 AM »
Poor Harry. (NSFW) :(

MtD

Maybe he's a grower...

Did you and Le P. know about Kate Moss' supposed love for poppers?  The drug has gained legitimacy.






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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #76 on: March 03, 2010, 01:02:58 AM »
omg... how on topic
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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #77 on: March 03, 2010, 08:21:58 AM »
Clear as mud. As I said to you elsewhere, it's difficult to take someone seriously who can't even be bothered to write out as simple a word as you. I've got my eye on you. And don't the rest of you take that as licence to go on the attack. It's not.
You bottom queens who need poppers to take a big'un should take a lesson from me. WTF? Just relax on your own. ??? If you don't want that big boy up there, just say no, don't resort to poppers. Jeeze.

enjoy the viewing then...my posting style won't change. dunno how long u've 'had ur eye on me', but it would be par for the course here to have my ideas or input dismissed bcuz i don't kowtow to a small clique of message board 'veterans' or make liberal use of dem innernet spellings...in any thread where i'm not accosted by what appear to be pc-activist-stereotype simpletons, u'll find me being simply helpful.

i'm here to exchange info, n have already found some wheat amidst the chaff here. i'm not here to kiss anyone's ass...let those chips falls where they may.

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« Reply #78 on: March 03, 2010, 08:39:45 AM »
i'm here to exchange info, n have already found some wheat amidst the chaff here. i'm not here to kiss anyone's ass...let those chips falls where they may.

And first place in the category of visually unappealing mixed metaphor goes to ...

5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2010, 09:23:31 AM »
And first place in the category of visually unappealing mixed metaphor goes to ...



what, in there i've got a grainery, an asskissing and a poker-game...what's the unappealing part? ;)

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #80 on: March 03, 2010, 01:27:30 PM »
enjoy the viewing then...my posting style won't change. dunno how long u've 'had ur eye on me', but it would be par for the course here to have my ideas or input dismissed bcuz i don't kowtow to a small clique of message board 'veterans' or make liberal use of dem innernet spellings...in any thread where i'm not accosted by what appear to be pc-activist-stereotype simpletons, u'll find me being simply helpful.

i'm here to exchange info, n have already found some wheat amidst the chaff here. i'm not here to kiss anyone's ass...let those chips falls where they may.

Actually what you're doing is coming into a group of people who are here to support one another and chastising all of the existing people who've formed friendships within the group because you disagree with their ideas.  You didn't bother to take time to establish yourself into the group you just joined up and started making a complete ass of yourself on practically a minute by minute basis.

You think you are the authority on everything under the sun (HIV related or not) and you also have assumed that we are all the opposition.  You don't know me and you don't know them.  We all don't agree on everything but there are certain fundamentals of the epidemic that we do agree on.  Stating your opinion as fact against these well established ideas is a quick way to find yourself fairly unwelcome if not by the moderator staff then by a generous portion of the people who participate in the forums.

You need a reality check but quick, you are so intolerable in a purely text format that even I am tempted to use the ignore button instead of just ignoring the tripe-filled posts that you make.  For reference I don't have anyone on ignore.  You might want to think about making an apology post to the members of this forum and starting over on a good foot, because right now I'm guessing that you're going to hell in a handbasket in the way of popular opinion.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #81 on: March 03, 2010, 02:27:02 PM »
Actually what you're doing is coming into a group of people who are here to support one another and chastising all of the existing people who've formed friendships within the group because you disagree with their ideas. 

I disagree, from what I have read of the posts on this forum, about this group having much to do with support. I'm new here (*ducking to avoid the slings and arrows lobbed by the clique*), and so far all I see is "Jeton" getting verbally-assaulted anytime he states an opinion that isn't part of the confirmed "politically-correct" rhetoric. Some of us (I DO hope I'm not the only one) have real concerns and want the ability to discuss them.. I don't think as "catty" as it is here that is entirely possible.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #82 on: March 03, 2010, 02:33:20 PM »
I disagree, from what I have read of the posts on this forum, about this group having much to do with support. I'm new here (*ducking to avoid the slings and arrows lobbed by the clique*), and so far all I see is "Jeton" getting verbally-assaulted anytime he states an opinion that isn't part of the confirmed "politically-correct" rhetoric. Some of us (I DO hope I'm not the only one) have real concerns and want the ability to discuss them.. I don't think as "catty" as it is here that is entirely possible.

If you have a concern you would like to discuss it would be better that you start your own thread in the proper forum.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #83 on: March 03, 2010, 02:48:21 PM »
If you have a concern you would like to discuss it would be better that you start your own thread in the proper forum.

Other people have raised similar, if not the same topic. So far, instead of anyone trying to understand either person's situation it has become an excuse for an attempt at text-warfare.

One guy asked about options for the situation of a sero-discordant relationship - and was informed that his partner must not love him if he doesn't put 100% of his faith in condoms (which DO break about 1 in 5 times). Another guy asked about the side-effects of "poppers" on the immuno-system and the same people who lambasted the guy with a poz-partner as unsafe practically started singing the praises of inhalants, which HAD been shown to seriously suppress the immune system.
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #84 on: March 03, 2010, 03:00:58 PM »
Other people have raised similar, if not the same topic. So far, instead of anyone trying to understand either person's situation it has become an excuse for an attempt at text-warfare.

One guy asked about options for the situation of a sero-discordant relationship - and was informed that his partner must not love him if he doesn't put 100% of his faith in condoms (which DO break about 1 in 5 times). Another guy asked about the side-effects of "poppers" on the immuno-system and the same people who lambasted the guy with a poz-partner as unsafe practically started singing the praises of inhalants, which HAD been shown to seriously suppress the immune system.
Well since your are starting off on the left foot would you kindly post your scientific data to back yourself up that poppers has been shown to seriously suppress the immune system?

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #85 on: March 03, 2010, 03:03:38 PM »
Well since your are starting off on the left foot would you kindly post your scientific data to back yourself up that poppers has been shown to seriously suppress the immune system?

Hopefully it's not the handful of "studies" where they gave a rat about 5000 times the amount that any human would actually use, or for days on end.  Smoothstone used to try it out with those studies here until we pointed out that little detail to him.  In fact, a lot of poppers "research" floating around the internet is directly attributable to Smoothstone's decades of careful study.

Also, I've never had a condom break in my life except once -- I looked at the idiot trying to put it on and looked at the expiration date on the wrapper and you can guess what was there.
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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #86 on: March 03, 2010, 03:21:19 PM »
Well since your are starting off on the left foot would you kindly post your scientific data to back yourself up that poppers has been shown to seriously suppress the immune system?

Just GOOGLE and you will find several studies - E. M. Dax‌, W. H. Adlei‌, J. E. Nagel‌ and W. R. Lange‌
Addiction Research Center, National Institute on Drug Abuse, Baltimore, MD, 21224
Clinical Immunology Section, National Institute on Aging NIH, Baltimore, MD, 21224
Dr. William H. Adler, Clinical Immunology Section, Gerontology Research Center, 4940 Eastern Avenue, Baltimore, MD, 21224-2780


Effects on the human immune system of volatile nitrite inhalation were studied in 18 male volunteers in 1 case. While nitrite inhalation decreased the absolute number of CD3+ T lymphocytes during the period of inhalation, cell numbers returned to pre-treatment levels within one week after COMPLETE cessation of the drug. Nitrite inhalation did not alter the percentage of CD3+, CD4+, CD8+ or CD19+ lymphocytes permanently. Natural killer (NK) cell activity against K562 target cells was depressed by nitrite administration but returned to pre-inhalation or greater levels after 1 full week of nitrite discontinuation. Cell proliferation following cell activation by PHA, ConA and PWM was unaffected by amyl nitrite inhalation. We conclude that in humans inhalation of volatile nitrites causes cycles of modest immunosuppression, particularly in NK activity, followed by gradual recovery when the drug is not inhaled for several days. If used regularly, it keeps the immuno-system in a constant "state-of-repair".
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #87 on: March 03, 2010, 03:23:25 PM »
Also, I've never had a condom break in my life except once -- I looked at the idiot trying to put it on and looked at the expiration date on the wrapper and you can guess what was there.

Then you are QUITE lucky and most likely in the minority...... and, no offense,  I would speculate your sex-life is probably a bit dull for my tastes.  ;D j/k
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #88 on: March 03, 2010, 03:25:24 PM »
I would speculate your sex-life is probably a bit dull for my tastes.  ;D j/k

I think most people around here will attest to my sex life not being in the least bit dull.  So, I'm just so horribly sad to disappoint you.
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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #89 on: March 03, 2010, 03:29:02 PM »
Actually what you're doing is coming into a group of people who are here to support one another and chastising all of the existing people who've formed friendships within the group because you disagree with their ideas.  You didn't bother to take time to establish yourself into the group you just joined up and started making a complete ass of yourself on practically a minute by minute basis.

You think you are the authority on everything under the sun (HIV related or not) and you also have assumed that we are all the opposition.  You don't know me and you don't know them.  We all don't agree on everything but there are certain fundamentals of the epidemic that we do agree on.  Stating your opinion as fact against these well established ideas is a quick way to find yourself fairly unwelcome if not by the moderator staff then by a generous portion of the people who participate in the forums.

You need a reality check but quick, you are so intolerable in a purely text format that even I am tempted to use the ignore button instead of just ignoring the tripe-filled posts that you make.  For reference I don't have anyone on ignore.  You might want to think about making an apology post to the members of this forum and starting over on a good foot, because right now I'm guessing that you're going to hell in a handbasket in the way of popular opinion.

u r lost if u think impressing u or ur clique is of importance to me, and for all the claims of inaccuracy coming urself and others, i have never been refuted here.

the mere proposition of apologizing to u or ur clique is just laughable.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #90 on: March 03, 2010, 03:30:27 PM »
Well since your are starting off on the left foot would you kindly post your scientific data to back yourself up that poppers has been shown to seriously suppress the immune system?

 :D

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #91 on: March 03, 2010, 03:31:34 PM »
I think most people around here will attest to my sex life not being in the least bit dull.  So, I'm just so horribly sad to disappoint you.

u mean most of ur clique, not most people. :)

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #92 on: March 03, 2010, 03:34:33 PM »
I disagree, from what I have read of the posts on this forum, about this group having much to do with support. I'm new here (*ducking to avoid the slings and arrows lobbed by the clique*), and so far all I see is "Jeton" getting verbally-assaulted anytime he states an opinion that isn't part of the confirmed "politically-correct" rhetoric. Some of us (I DO hope I'm not the only one) have real concerns and want the ability to discuss them.. I don't think as "catty" as it is here that is entirely possible.


i appreciate the support. what i see is quite literally hundreds of hiv+ people, especially men, lving lives completely outside the orthodoxy here...i can't imagine any of them posting here, n i avoided these forums for years a politically correct waste of my time.

however, people with real concerns outside of this message board ecosystem show up here, and i know many of them can be helped by my perspective. i've also found a few guys here (like inchlingblue) or r both open minded n know what they're talking about, n have no need to flame.

the flames themselves could be more entertaining if they were half-way competent...but it's flame Romper Room in here.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #93 on: March 03, 2010, 03:36:16 PM »
u mean most of ur clique, not most people. :)

If you say so.  
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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #94 on: March 03, 2010, 03:49:28 PM »
I think most people around here will attest to my sex life not being in the least bit dull.  So, I'm just so horribly sad to disappoint you.

Quite the opposite - I'm happy for you!
It's all a sham. Politics is a big game, same as the media - and same as religion. The point is to distract & control. If we're looking at what they tell us is the "big issue", we're not looking at what they are doing. In time, there will be different causes and different minorities to pick-on. All in the name of keeping the system going, and the people distracted.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #95 on: March 03, 2010, 04:02:33 PM »
i appreciate the support. what i see is quite literally hundreds of hiv+ people, especially men, lving lives completely outside the orthodoxy here...i can't imagine any of them posting here, n i avoided these forums for years a politically correct waste of my time.


Jeton - all people are doing is asking you for the references for the things you cite. 

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #96 on: March 03, 2010, 04:05:56 PM »
Other people have raised similar, if not the same topic. So far, instead of anyone trying to understand either person's situation it has become an excuse for an attempt at text-warfare.

One guy asked about options for the situation of a sero-discordant relationship - and was informed that his partner must not love him if he doesn't put 100% of his faith in condoms (which DO break about 1 in 5 times). Another guy asked about the side-effects of "poppers" on the immuno-system and the same people who lambasted the guy with a poz-partner as unsafe practically started singing the praises of inhalants, which HAD been shown to seriously suppress the immune system.

Forgive me for the added hijack, but I think your comments deserve a response. I've been with this forum for eight years and the caliber of people here is second to none. That said, there are forum guidelines that require that statements, that are presented as fact, must be substantiated by peer-reviewed studies and referencing those studies is required. When a poster attempts to state facts, like 1 in 5 condoms break, or inhalants have been shown to suppress the immune system, you need to provide the proof of those facts.  Otherwise, what happens, is the overall message of these forums, such as condoms do protect you from HIV infection, become diluted and people become confused.

Please don't confuse members bristling at the mis-statement of facts, with an attack by any group of members. We insist that, when you state something as fact, you have the resources to support your position.  Also, a little advice, don't plant passive-aggressive comments in your posts, it only makes you look small and mean spirited.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #97 on: March 03, 2010, 04:07:00 PM »
Jeton - all people are doing is asking you for the references for the things you cite. 

i wish that were true, but the reality is i've got a pack of toothless wolves both circling around n crying to mods.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #98 on: March 03, 2010, 04:10:14 PM »
Forgive me for the added hijack, but I think your comments deserve a response. I've been with this forum for eight years and the caliber of people here is second to none. That said, there are forum guidelines that require that statements, that are presented as fact, must be substantiated by peer-reviewed studies and referencing those studies is required. When a poster attempts to state facts, like 1 in 5 condoms break, or inhalants have been shown to suppress the immune system, you need to provide the proof of those facts.  Otherwise, what happens, is the overall message of these forums, such as condoms do protect you from HIV infection, become diluted and people become confused.

Please don't confuse members bristling at the mis-statement of facts, with an attack by any group of members. We insist that, when you state something as fact, you have the resources to support your position.  Also, a little advice, don't plant passive-aggressive comments in your posts, it only makes you look small and mean spirited.

 ::) be nice if u could take ur own advice about passive-aggressive comments...on the issue of condom breakage, i have stated a 1 in 5 breakage ratio as my own experience, n that of many of men of my acquaintance. i have never seen condoms sustain the vaunted "98% effective" ratio, let alone the even more extreme claims made for condoms by many posters here. these claims r contradictions of my own life experience, so i dismiss them as propaganda.

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Re: is poppers (amyl) harmful for u if you have hiv
« Reply #99 on: March 03, 2010, 04:13:13 PM »
::) be nice if u could take ur own advice about passive-aggressive comments...on the issue of condom breakage, i have stated a 1 in 5 breakage ratio as my own experience, n that of many of men of my acquaintance. i have never seen condoms sustain the vaunted "98% effective" ratio, let alone the even more extreme claims made for condoms by many posters here. these claims r contradictions of my own life experience, so i dismiss them as propaganda.

Excuse me, but my response was directed at Blackwingbear, as I could not care less what any of your personal experiences are.

 


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