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rubbing risk?
« on: February 15, 2010, 12:41:54 PM »
Is there any risk for rubbing penis to virginal? I rubbed my penis to SW's virginal. Side, underside, top of my penis was touching her virginal and fluid. I also exchanged unprotected oral sex. I have some dental issues, having  few cavities (front teeth has tiny holes). With my dental issue, am I at risk? No intercouse.

After 2 weeks, persistent cough, fatigue, back pain, muscle aches around knee and calf for a week.

« Last Edit: February 15, 2010, 12:45:43 PM by screwed »

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2010, 12:58:31 PM »
Screwed,

You're actually NOT screwed. Rubbing genitals together, without penetration, is called frottage and frottage is not a risk for hiv infection.

Neither going down on a woman nor getting a blowjob are risks for hiv infection.

Here's what you need to know in order to remain hiv negative:


You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST OVER ANYTHING YOU BROUGHT TO US anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2010, 01:09:22 PM »
I'm still not screwed even if the underside of the foreskin was touching her virginal and fluid?

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2010, 01:22:36 PM »
That's right. Your penis touching her vagina or the vaginal fluids in the manner you have reported is absolutely not a risk for HIV transmission. You are worrying needlessly. Just make sure your penis is covered with a condom during vaginal or anal INTERCOURSE and you will be well protected against the sexual transmission of HIV. It's really that simple. Don't make it more complicated than it actually is.
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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2010, 01:23:58 PM »
Screwed,

You're still not screwed. I know exactly what takes place during frottage. My ex-partner and I used to do it all the time and he was also uncircumcised. We were together for over eight years and he remained hiv negative. The only precaution we took was to use condoms for any anal or vaginal penetration. You did not penetrate her and therefore you were NOT at risk.

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2010, 02:07:55 PM »
Thanks Ann and Andy  :) I've tested before, negative. I've never had unprotected sex after the testing so I should be nagative.

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2010, 02:33:17 PM »
You "should be" negative? Uh. I hear the doubt in that comment.

And yes, doubts you're holding on to notwithstanding, you are HIV negative. Period. End of story.
Andy Velez

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2010, 02:27:59 PM »
Thanks Andy. I know I shouldn't think negatively but keep thinking the symptoms that I had after two weeks and now I recall I had some small bumps on my ankle and a small canker sore after two days of the event. Makes me to think not just a coincidence.... I am also having another flu-like symptoms (sore throat, headache, fatigue). I think this is just a cold since my gf caught a few days ago.

I start having this "what if" thought...what if my penis was slightly in without noticing...what if my immune system was down on the day and had some cuts in my mouth. 
« Last Edit: February 17, 2010, 02:33:48 PM by screwed »

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2010, 02:32:21 PM »
None of those symptoms are in anyway HIV specific. That's no surprise since nothing you are reporting put you at risk for HIV transmission.

Stop with the drama and get on with your life. Really.
Andy Velez

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2010, 09:54:55 AM »
Thanks Andy. This will be the last time. So even if my top of penis was slightly in without noticing I'm still be fine? I'm just thinking of possibility. I know for sure that I didn't penetrate inside. I never do that without condom because I am uncircumcised like Ann's ex and too scared. I wanna put this behind and move on.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2010, 09:58:48 AM by screwed »

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2010, 10:11:21 AM »
screwed,

If you didn't penetrate, you didn't penetrate. It's time you moved on.

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2010, 10:13:06 AM »
"Slightly in without noticing"???!!! Baloney. You're either in or not and if you were in you would have known it. Stop with the what ifs and get on with your life. Really.
Andy Velez

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2010, 10:28:02 AM »
You're right. Worries make me thinking stupid things. Fact that I know for sure I've never thought penetrating anyone without condom. I've never lost the control. I must stop this negative thinkings and move on. Thank you guys.

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2010, 10:35:29 AM »
That's right. Move on.
Andy Velez

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2010, 10:41:18 AM »
I will. You guys are great mentors!!
« Last Edit: February 18, 2010, 10:43:36 AM by screwed »

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2010, 12:05:31 PM »
Race or nationality will make any difference in the risk? Or just simply think the behaviors (which only verginal and anal penetrations are the only risk for HIV transmission)? I see some rash on my face so I am wondering about racial diffrences. 

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2010, 12:11:13 PM »
screwed,

It's called Human Immunodeficiency Virus for a reason. It's not called, for example, Caucasian Immunodeficiency Virus. Race makes no difference. It's all about behaviours.

If you're worried about your rash, see a doctor. It's nothing to do with hiv as you did NOT have a risk, no matter what your race or the other person's race was.

If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.


Please consider yourself warned!

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2010, 12:15:17 PM »
Thanks Ann. I'll stop coming back now. I just wanted make sure.

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2010, 12:41:04 PM »
Hi. I was just reading dwucc99's posting about newly infected and highly contagius. I also read the Andy's answer. So frottage can be said same thing that even if the woman on whom I performed frottage was newly infected is still no risk. The vaginal fluids which would contain HIV are in the cervical area. So what is the fluid that coming out around vergina? Is this the reason why the unprotected intercourse is the only risk and all other sexual activities are no risk?

I think this is a new question. I want to educate myself.

Thank you 

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2010, 12:55:49 PM »
Unprotected intercourse provides the perfect receptive setting for the transmission of HIV. Even if the vaginal lips are secreting and the wetness is felt against the penis OUTSIDE of the vagina, it's not a risk.

I'm going to make a judgement call here. I think you need a vacation from the site. And stop surfing the net for fuel to feed your fears.

I'm giving you a 28 day time out. Don't make the mistake of trying to get around it by creating a new name. We'll spot that right off and it would get you permanently banned.

Get on with your life.
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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2010, 06:59:46 PM »
Hi Andy, Ann

I'm just assuring of the non risk frottage situation with female (vagina fluid) stay as non risk even I am uncircumcised and suffering genital Candida/thrush time to time under stress situations since I was 20. I'm 38 years old now. Just making thing clear that this Candida is not caused by HIV. I am negative but it can be caused by stress and can be seen more to uncircumcised. Like me who don't have much scientific knowledge about HIV transmision should think simpler way that the unprotected intercouse/penetration is the only way to transmit HIV.

Thank you for answering my final question. 
« Last Edit: April 18, 2010, 07:30:02 AM by screwed »

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2010, 07:52:21 AM »
That's right. Frottage is absolutely not a risk for HIV. Period.
Andy Velez

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2010, 03:17:07 PM »
Thanks Andy for confirming.

I finally got it. It’s all about unprotected anal and vaginal intercourse/penetration. This is the only way to sexually transmitting HIV. Simply wear condom when you are about to have anal and vaginal intercourse/penetration. All other sexual activities (oral sex, frottage, etc.) are non-risk activities even adding any situations (uncircumcised suffering  from genital Candida/thrush time to time, dental issues, cuts, etc.).

Mind is much simpler and pure when you are younger. Once you are getting old, you mix with all your thoughts and blocking and accepting the real facts even professional is giving them.

Thank you for your all advises and “I get on with my life” (I borrowed your word). In the future, I stop coming back to this forum with the non-risk activities other than the real risk active (unprotected anal and vaginal penetration), which I’m sure I will not take the risk.

Thank you!!!!!


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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2010, 04:20:43 PM »
You're welcome. You've got it down now.
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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2010, 01:46:24 PM »
Hi Ann,

Is it still non-risk if the head of penis (urethral opening) touching against the vaginal opening area with vaginal fluid? Is this still consider as frottage?

Thank you,
« Last Edit: May 25, 2010, 01:53:19 PM by screwed »

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2010, 01:52:06 PM »
Hi Ann,

Is it still non-risk if the head of penis (urethral opening) touching against the vaginal opening area with vaginal fluid? Is this still consider as frottage?

Thank you,

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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2010, 01:57:41 PM »
   Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

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« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2010, 02:17:49 PM »
Sorry, Rapid. Iwasn't sure whether the urethral opening touching against vaginal opening (not just vagina) is still consider as frottage. I guess it is frottage and no-risk situation since I received the warning from you.

Sorry and thank you.
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« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2010, 02:33:42 PM »
Screwed,

What you describe is indeed considered frottage and frottage is not a risk for hiv infection. You're worrying needlessly, yet again.

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2010, 02:54:12 PM »
Ann,
Thank you and sorry for coming back.

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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2012, 10:42:11 AM »
If my tooth (wisdom tooth) is chipped/cracked and having a big hole due to a cavity not treated, is cunnilingus (going down on a woman) still safe activity?

Thanks,
« Last Edit: January 04, 2012, 10:44:53 AM by screwed »

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Re: rubbing risk?
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2012, 10:46:38 AM »
Seek professional mental help for your HIV obcessions.

HIV is transmitted by;
Unprotected penetrative anal and/or vaginal sex
Sharing works with other IV drug abusers
Mother to child

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« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2012, 12:25:07 PM »
Along with what you have already been told about non-risk, your saliva contains over a dozen elements and proteins which very effectively prevent the transmission of HIV while you are giving oral sex.
Andy Velez

 


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