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Author Topic: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis  (Read 17240 times)

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Offline Optimistic

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2010, 05:32:15 AM »
who wants to be old and hiv anyways ???!!!

I wanna grow old so I can hit on all the young-ins.....of course by that time I sure hope I am HIV free.  ;D
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Offline elf

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2010, 12:29:46 AM »
I live in Europe so I will hopefully live longer.
I am happy now because my triglycerides are normal even on Kaletra,
omega-3 is doing the trick.
I'm all into sports now, jogging/running, soccer, gym,
and would love to engage into some really cool stuff like windsurfing.  ;D
HIV made me a sporty person.  ??? :o

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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2010, 12:33:07 AM »
I live in Europe so I will hopefully live longer.

What's that mean?  Live longer than us poor, misfortunate souls in America?  IIRC you live in Croatia, and the avg. life expectancy there is 2.3 years lower than here.  Take care now.
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Offline elf

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2010, 01:08:23 AM »
No, what I meant:
1. because there are only 500 cases of HIV/AIDS (to 4 million of inhabitants), the medication is free of charge, it is not even covered by a medical insurance system but given directly by the government (thru Medical School Infectious Diseases clinics)
2. this means interruption of treatment is less likely
3. it is interruptions of treatment that mess up w/the US data on HIV

Life expectency here would be higher if it hadn't been for 5 years of war (1990-95)
But as they say: there is no such thing as a free lunch
(so my advice to Bask as Catalans: accept your Spanish blood to live longer  ;D )

BTW, I've recently moved to an island and the life expectancy is higher here  ;):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2080454/
« Last Edit: January 31, 2010, 01:28:22 AM by elf »
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2010, 01:31:17 AM »

3. it is interruptions of treatment that mess up w/the US data on HIV

Can you elaborate and provide me with some sources to support this assertion?  Thanks.
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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2010, 07:59:25 PM »
Dr. Gallant responded to someone asking about this study:

On Feb 4, 2010 Joel E. Gallant, M.D., M.P.H. replied:
Beware of people who make liberal use of the word "Truth." They're either trying to pull something over on you, or they're just not thinking clearly. Be even MORE wary of those who "demand the truth!"

What this study says is that the AVERAGE life expectancy increased from 10.5 years to 22.5 years from 1996 to 2005. This average comes from a cohort that includes patients with extensive resistance from pre-HAART therapy, patients with comorbid conditions such as hepatitis C and kidney disease, injection drug users, patients who started therapy with advance disease, and patients who didn't take their medications. The point of the study, as mentioned by the authors in their conclusions, was to point out disparities in life expectancy between men and women and between whites and minorities, not to determine the "true" life expectance of someone with HIV infection.

In short, this study was never intended to tell you what your life expectancy is. A more relevant study was the French Aquitaine cohort, which found that IF you achieve an undetectable viral load and a CD4 count above 500 on ART and maintain those results for several years, then your life expectancy is the same as that of the general population. For an individual patient, these are more useful results, because they provide a somewhat more individualized estimate.

I'm not sure why you feel that this study represents TRUTH and others don't.


LINK:

http://www.hopkins-aids.edu/q_a/patient/recent_questions/life_expectancy_truth_revealed.html?contentInstanceId=514569&siteId=7151

Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2010, 08:19:02 PM »


  I wonder if this applies to me if I am half Greek and half Chinese. 
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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2010, 10:15:22 PM »

  I wonder if this applies to me if I am half Greek and half Chinese. 

That's a hot combination.

Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2010, 11:05:02 PM »
That's a hot combination.

Perhaps it is however,  I should have put "if" in bold print.  I am actually German Irish.
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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #59 on: February 06, 2010, 07:28:20 AM »
Perhaps it is however,  I should have put "if" in bold print.  I am actually German Irish.

I'm half German, a quarter Irish and a quarter Scottish. (mother was first generation half German, half Scottish and father was first generation half German, half Irish)

Whenever I mention being half German to a Scouser (someone from Liverpool), they tell me "you bombed our chippies!" (said in a Beetles accent). My father was a tail-gunner in WWII for the USAF. That usually shuts them up.

I come from some pretty sturdy stock. People on my mother's side all live long lives and the same on my father's side, aside from those who died from cirrhosis of the liver on both sides. Wonder if anyone's done a study on life expectancy of poz people who come from European alcoholic ancestry?
 
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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #60 on: February 08, 2010, 11:57:29 AM »
I'm half German, a quarter Irish and a quarter Scottish. (mother was first generation half German, half Scottish and father was first generation half German, half Irish)

Whenever I mention being half German to a Scouser (someone from Liverpool), they tell me "you bombed our chippies!" (said in a Beetles accent). My father was a tail-gunner in WWII for the USAF. That usually shuts them up.

I come from some pretty sturdy stock. People on my mother's side all live long lives and the same on my father's side, aside from those who died from cirrhosis of the liver on both sides. Wonder if anyone's done a study on life expectancy of poz people who come from European alcoholic ancestry?
 
Im british ann with english irish scottish and welsh ties , but grew up in england and one thing is for sure if the british drinking culture carries on unchecked a large chunk of our population will be dying young with liver problems. I used to drink far to much i suppose the one plus to come out of my hiv diagnosis is that my drinking is well under control.
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Offline BlackLion

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #61 on: May 26, 2010, 04:45:27 AM »
So scared, doctors in Viet Nam always advise that infeted people use Haart may keep their life for another five years.  >:(

Offline elf

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #62 on: May 26, 2010, 06:03:15 AM »
5 years is a manufacturer's guarantee  :)
when HIV meds are tested, they are tested for 5 years,
not for 50 years  ;D
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Offline tednlou2

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #63 on: September 01, 2010, 01:33:26 AM »
This topic keeps coming up over at Dr. Gallant's site.  I noticed Inch already posted Dr. Gallant's response.  However, someone asked him again about this and he referred them back to his original remarks.

I'm wondering what you guys thought of Dr. Gallant's response to this life expectancy study.  Is he pretty much right on?  When Inch posted it, it didn't generate much debate and this thread died out.  Sorry to bring back a zombie thread--well, not totally zombie but recently buried.

http://www.hopkins-hivguide.org//q_a/patient/recent_questions/re__chronic_manageable_condition.html?contentInstanceId=534160&siteId=7151 

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #64 on: September 01, 2010, 11:04:28 AM »
This topic keeps coming up over at Dr. Gallant's site.  I noticed Inch already posted Dr. Gallant's response.  However, someone asked him again about this and he referred them back to his original remarks.

I'm wondering what you guys thought of Dr. Gallant's response to this life expectancy study.  Is he pretty much right on?  When Inch posted it, it didn't generate much debate and this thread died out.  Sorry to bring back a zombie thread--well, not totally zombie but recently buried.

http://www.hopkins-hivguide.org//q_a/patient/recent_questions/re__chronic_manageable_condition.html?contentInstanceId=534160&siteId=7151 

If by "right on" you are interpreting his remarks to say that if you take your pills you are likely to live to a ripe old age without noticing a huge effect on your life chances due to HIV... then yes.

If you interpret them to say that HIV is a nonevent if you take your pills... then no.  (Sometimes, people interpret his remarks or these studies to say that if you take your pills regularly your life chances are the same as if you didn't have HIV.  And none of the studies actually show that.  Even the French Aquitaine cohort study doesn't -- since groups of people who can actually manage to take their pills and stay adherent over the long term probably would have had better than average life expectancies absent HIV and this study merely shows them at the general population average.  )

So take your pills and see your doctor(s) and stop worrying about dying young.  You may lose a year or so of decrepitude, but that's decades of life and medical discoveries away from now for you.

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Offline Hellraiser

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #65 on: September 01, 2010, 01:49:50 PM »
If by "right on" you are interpreting his remarks to say that if you take your pills you are likely to live to a ripe old age without noticing a huge effect on your life chances due to HIV... then yes.

If you interpret them to say that HIV is a nonevent if you take your pills... then no.  (Sometimes, people interpret his remarks or these studies to say that if you take your pills regularly your life chances are the same as if you didn't have HIV.  And none of the studies actually show that.  Even the French Aquitaine cohort study doesn't -- since groups of people who can actually manage to take their pills and stay adherent over the long term probably would have had better than average life expectancies absent HIV and this study merely shows them at the general population average.  )

So take your pills and see your doctor(s) and stop worrying about dying young.  You may lose a year or so of decrepitude, but that's decades of life and medical discoveries away from now for you.

A (who is a decade or two closer to decrepitude than most here ;D  )


^ Exactly my thoughts on the matter

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #66 on: September 01, 2010, 08:40:19 PM »
to funny trey I am already shaking my walker for them hotties

Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Life expentancy after hiv diagnosis
« Reply #67 on: September 01, 2010, 08:53:55 PM »
I'm half German, a quarter Irish and a quarter Scottish. (mother was first generation half German, half Scottish and father was first generation half German, half Irish)

Holy crap Ann, you and I might be brother and sister.  I am also half German, a quarter Irish, and a quarter Scottish! 
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