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Author Topic: Drinking a bit of wine improves the health of arteries (and reduce CVD risks)  (Read 4529 times)

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Offline John2038

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A team of researchers from Inserm discovered molecular mechanism by which the polyphenols in red wine improves the health of arteries.

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Cabernet Sauvignon, Pinot Noir, Merlot ------ anyone?

Love red wine and now I have another reason to indulge ----- thanks John!

Offline mecch

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I went to the january wine sales and among my purchases were two cases of wine from argentina i didnt know much about.  When I researched online, both wineries are in fact organic. And no indication on the product, here in switzerland. Isnt that interesting. 
Organic wine comes at a premium and yet i bet if you do some research there is more around.  I like red wine but prefer organics if possible.  hope to see more and more in the future.
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Offline Hellraiser

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I'm not much for wine....There don't happen to be any polyphenols in beer I don't suppose?!

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I'm going to open my bottle of Font-Sane Gigondas tonight and unpack my heirloom art deco wine glasses that I inherited from my grandmother but which were in storage until I retrieved them over Christmas.

I adore red wine and also enjoy Cahors, but for some reason it's a bit hard to find here.  Alcohol in Pennsylvania is solely monopolized by the statist Liquor Control Board and they operate all the stores, and to even have the slight chance of finding lesser known wines like Gigondas or Cahors, I must go to a place like the aptly named "Wine & Spirits Store #5155" in Society Hill.  It's quite annoying.
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Offline mecch

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Hmm shocking state of affairs in Philly, maybe you can sue the state and open a "medical red wine" shop with perscription only service.
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Yeah, that's why Philadelphia is a major beer and hard liquor city -- we even have three breweries right in the city limits, and then Yuengling which is the oldest brewed beer in the US is made about four counties west of here.  The current craze are these outrageously expensive whiskey bars.

http://www.villagewhiskey.com/
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Offline mecch

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Guess we are moving off topic. I love whiskey and champagne and it KILLS me on my modest income to pay the markup for these in bars and restaurants.  A bottle of Mums or some unknown single malt for 400 bucks when its 40 bucks in the market! Geez
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Oh, I love champagne as well.  A nice dinner always begins with a glass of that, or maybe some sherry.

I'm also huge on port and madeira after a meal.
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Offline elf

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I can't drink wine because it can make side effects of Epzicom more severe (like a heart attack  ??? ::) ).
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Offline tommy246

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This has been a very well known fact since the late 1970 s / early 1980 s  when doctors discovered that the french who drink lots of red wine but eat a very artery clogging diet with lots of butter and cream sauces were having a very much smaller heart attack rate than the americans.
jan 06 neg
dec 08 pos cd4 505 ,16%, 1,500vl
april 09 cd4 635 ,16%,60,000
july 09 ,cd4 545,17%,80,000
aug 09,hosptal 18days pneumonia cd190,225,000,15%
1 week later cd4 415 20%
nov 09 cd4 591 ,vl 59,000,14%,started atripla
dec 09  cd4 787, vl 266, 16%
march 2010  cd4 720 vl non detectable -20  20%
june 2010  cd4  680, 21%, ND

Offline Miss Philicia

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This has been a very well known fact since the late 1970 s / early 1980 s  when doctors discovered that the french who drink lots of red wine but eat a very artery clogging diet with lots of butter and cream sauces were having a very much smaller heart attack rate than the americans.

They also get six weeks of paid vacation a year vs. next to none. :)
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Offline phildinftlaudy

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wish a could try the wine thing -- unfortunately even a sip of it give me a horrible headache almost immediately --- i've heard that some are unable to tolerate the sulfites in it.  This may be my problem -- so I guess i will have to seek out non-wine alternatives [does Corona have the same beneficial
effects :-)  ]
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Date    CD4    %   VL     Date  CD4  %   VL
10/08  636    35  510   9/09 473  38 2900  12/4/09 Atripla
12/09  540    30    60   
12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
02/12  1,102  42  <20
11/12   549    35  <20

Offline Nestor

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Another possibility--and one that seems increasingly likely--is that the butter and cream aren't really artery-clogging after all. 

Summer 2004--became HIV+
Dec. 2005--found out

Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
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Offline tommy246

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Another possibility--and one that seems increasingly likely--is that the butter and cream aren't really artery-clogging after all. 


well away you go nestor get stuck into the butter and cream rather you than me
jan 06 neg
dec 08 pos cd4 505 ,16%, 1,500vl
april 09 cd4 635 ,16%,60,000
july 09 ,cd4 545,17%,80,000
aug 09,hosptal 18days pneumonia cd190,225,000,15%
1 week later cd4 415 20%
nov 09 cd4 591 ,vl 59,000,14%,started atripla
dec 09  cd4 787, vl 266, 16%
march 2010  cd4 720 vl non detectable -20  20%
june 2010  cd4  680, 21%, ND

Offline Nestor

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That was a little rude.
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Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
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Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
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Offline elf

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Pathologists say wine drinkers have healthy arteries but their myocardial tissue is awful (alcohol causes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_cardiomyopathy).

The only healthy thing from wine is Resveratrol, you can get it by eating peanuts or taking it as a supplement.
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Offline GNYC09

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Pathologists say wine drinkers have healthy arteries but their myocardial tissue is awful (alcohol causes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_cardiomyopathy).

The only healthy thing from wine is Resveratrol, you can get it by eating peanuts or taking it as a supplement.

wow, I didn't know about the peanuts.  I will get some peanut brittle tomorrow!

concord grape juice is another good source of this antioxidant.

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I have heard that the resveratrol in peanuts is in the red skins, so people eating peanuts for that purpose should make sure the skins are on.  But there are so many good things in peanuts!

Elf, the article to which you linked said that cardiomyopathy is caused by "chronic long-term abuse of alcohol."  It did not define that but I wonder whether the ordinary moderate wine drinker qualifies?
« Last Edit: January 31, 2010, 09:49:28 AM by Nestor »
Summer 2004--became HIV+
Dec. 2005--found out

Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
Aug '11      677     22      21,000
Sept. '12    747     15      14,000

Offline John2038

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Pathologists say wine drinkers have healthy arteries but their myocardial tissue is awful (alcohol causes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_cardiomyopathy).

The only healthy thing from wine is Resveratrol, you can get it by eating peanuts or taking it as a supplement.

There is a difference between chronic long-term abuse of alcohol that indeed may leads to heart failure and drinking a bit of red wine (contains the polyphenols).
You may want to read about the french paradox (south healthier than north due to the consumption of red wine).

But good to remind the danger of alcohol in general.


 


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