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Author Topic: Is hand job with vaginal fluids really safe?  (Read 18240 times)

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Offline kobitlamsao

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Is hand job with vaginal fluids really safe?
« on: January 05, 2010, 12:42:35 AM »
Hi, I had protected vaginal intercourse with a hooker. These are my risk activities:

1. We did have deep kissing (Frech kiss). My mouth was not bleeding, i am not sure there are any sores in my mouth at that time

2. I did fingering her vaginal but the thing is my finger had a paper cut. I read on "FREEDOMHEALTH" they said that There is no RISK but i still confuse due to another website said that there is a posibility of hiv infection?

3. After 10 mins vaginal intercourse I lost my erction. Then she hand job for me (the condom still on) and her hand ofcourse have vaginal fluids. Then I told her took off the condom and continue doing the hand job (this time I afraid her vaginal fulids on her hand could go to my urethra / head od my penis)

a few days later I got lymph nodes on my neck (behind the ear, under my chin, not big less than 1 cm, not hurt) but not on the groin and armpit. I also have pink eyes (2 eyes) w/o any reason. I got commom cold (stuff nose, runny nose with yellow secretions from my nose). I am in stress for almost 3 weeks from the day I had sex. I couldn't sleep (at all), loss weight, loss of appetie.

PLS TELL ME AM I AT RISK OF CONTRACTING HIV?

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Re: Deep kissing + Fingering + Vaginal fluids on hand. Am I at risk ?
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2010, 04:07:33 AM »
Nothing you have described has put you at risk for HIV, what you need to do is read the lessons here on how HIV is and is not transmitted.

1..Deep kissing is a no risk situation.

2..paper cuts are superficial and pose no risk, infected blood has to get into the blood stream.

3.. Hand jobs are also a no risk situation.

If you are feeling unwell then talk to your doc, all I can tell you is whatever it is your are suffering from..it is not HIV.

Jan
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Offline kobitlamsao

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Re: Deep kissing + Fingering + Vaginal fluids on hand. Am I at risk ?
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2010, 04:28:10 AM »
3. But the thing I am worry about is her hand got vaginal fluids (from the condom) and doing the hand job. Hiv from that fluids can possible go through my muscous membranes (on my penis) or through my urethra.

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Re: Deep kissing + Fingering + Vaginal fluids on hand. Am I at risk ?
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 04:31:05 AM »
HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions, therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.

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Re: Deep kissing + Fingering + Vaginal fluids on hand. Am I at risk ?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 04:59:47 AM »
HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions, therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.

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Your information seems to be struggle with the info that CDC reccommend. I just quote that info for u

"HIV can be found in the blood, semen (cum), pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum) or vaginal fluid of a person infected with the virus."

"In men, HIV can enter the body through the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis) or through small cuts or open sores on the penis."


SOURCE: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa21.htm

Pls is there anyone who is expert or has experiences clarify this onfo for me. I am so scare now because of too many info struggling

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Re: Deep kissing + Fingering + Vaginal fluids on hand. Am I at risk ?
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2010, 05:08:11 AM »
HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions, therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.

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Your information seems to be struggle with the info that CDC reccommend. I just quote that info for u

"HIV can be found in the blood, semen (cum), pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum) or vaginal fluid of a person infected with the virus."

"In men, HIV can enter the body through the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis) or through small cuts or open sores on the penis."


SOURCE: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa21.htm

Pls is there anyone who is expert or has experiences clarify this onfo for me. I am so scare now because of too many info struggling
That quote was direct from the CDC. As you were told you didn't have a risk.

Offline kobitlamsao

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Re: Deep kissing + Fingering + Vaginal fluids on hand. Am I at risk ?
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2010, 05:24:13 AM »
But her hand got vaginal fluids and let assume she is HIV+. So if she does hand hob for me (with that hand). Is there possibility that HIV virus can go through my urethra opening / or my moucous membrane on my penis???

I heard that HIV die quickly when exposure outside the body but how long HIV live in vaginal fluids out side the body?

Pls give me more info to relieve my mind

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Re: Deep kissing + Fingering + Vaginal fluids on hand. Am I at risk ?
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2010, 05:29:57 AM »
In men, HIV can enter the body through the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis) or through small cuts or open sores on the penis."

OK,when they talk about HIV entering the body through the urethra they are talking about Vaginal or anal sex..this did not happen in your case, as for the small cuts on the penis you didn't have any..but as I have already explained to you HIV has to enter the blood steam, this does not happen with superficial cuts.

If you read the lessons here you will know that HIV is found in:
Blood
Vaginal fluids
Semen
Breast milk.

The only time you would be at risk is if you continued to have unprotected sex via vaginal or anal sex with someone who had never been tested..you didn't have unprotected sex, so you have nothing to worry about..now move on this is not an HIV situation.

If you are going to be sexually active then remember to use condoms at all times...NO EXCEMPTIONS
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Offline kobitlamsao

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Re: Deep kissing + Fingering + Vaginal fluids on hand. Am I at risk ?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2010, 12:48:57 AM »
Ann Smith. i really need your opinion about my risk (especially at point 3)

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Re: Deep kissing + Fingering + Vaginal fluids on hand. Am I at risk ?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2010, 08:33:44 AM »
It wouldn't have made any difference if her hand had been dripping with vaginal fluids. As you have already been told HIV is a fragile virus. The vaginal fluids which could contain HIV are in the cervical area, far up in the vaginal cavity. Neither your fingers nor hers would be reaching that area.

Further and more to the point, there's never been a confirmed case of transmission through masturbation, no matter what various details you throw into the mix. It's safe to say you won't make history by becoming the first.

Give it up and get on with your life. Period.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2010, 08:36:29 AM by Andy Velez »
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Re: Deep kissing + Fingering + Vaginal fluids on hand. Am I at risk ?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2010, 11:04:27 AM »
Kob,

You haven't had a risk, as you've been told by the others.


If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.


Please consider yourself warned!

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Offline kobitlamsao

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Is hand job with vaginal fluids really safe?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2010, 04:44:37 AM »
I had vaginal intercourse with sex worker. I lost my erction. Then she hand job for me (the condom still on) and her hand now ofcourse have vaginal fluids. Then I told her took off the condom and continue doing the hand job with the same hand (this time I afraid her vaginal fulids on her hand could go to my urethra / head of my penis or the inner foreskin if I had a small cut or scratch)

The scary thing is I have the infromation here:
"Any sexual practice can be made safe or unsafe. For instance, mutual masturbation can become unsafe if people touch their own genitals after getting a partner's infected semen, blood or vaginal fluids on their hands. We hope to help you develop criteria to use to decide whether previous experiences you've had were safe or not, and how to stay safe in the future."
Source: http://www.sfaf.org/aids101/sexual.html

I think this sentence is exactly refer to my situation.

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Re: Is hand job with vaginal fluids really safe?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2010, 05:09:06 AM »
Kob,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread. It doesn't matter how long it has been since you last posted in your thread or if the subject matter is different.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.





Hiv isn't the only STI out there. Most of the others, such as chlamydia or gonorrhea, are MUCH more easily transmitted than hiv and these bacterial infections can sometimes be transmitted through mutual masturbation. HOWEVER, hiv is NOT transmitted via mutual masturbation. This has already been explained to you.

If you cannot bring yourself to believe us that you had no risk, go test and collect your negative result.

You will NOT be permitted to use this forum to continually wring your hands over your NO RISK situation or use this forum to post out-of-context misinformation. If you continue to misuse this forum in this fashion, you WILL be given that time out you've been warned about.

PLEASE CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED FOR THE LAST TIME!

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline kobitlamsao

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Re: Is hand job with vaginal fluids really safe?
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2010, 04:34:19 AM »
Hi Ann and Andy. Today I just have the test result after 82 days from the exposure. It comes out negative. I do not in my country which generation of the test is... My question is is it 82 days conclusive result. CDC always said 3 month is conclusive (90 days). That makes me so confused. tkhs

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Re: Is hand job with vaginal fluids really safe?
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2010, 06:32:00 AM »
Kob,

You are conclusively hiv negative and you do not  need further testing. It doesn't matter what generation test was used. You do not have hiv. You never had a risk in the first place.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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