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Offline worriedchen

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Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« on: December 10, 2009, 08:50:41 AM »
Why I read a case that only exposed to unprotected oral sex tested positive in the forum?

Offline Andy Velez

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2009, 09:33:01 AM »
Do you have a specific incident which you are concerned about? We prefer to focus on specific details of a possible risk.
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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2009, 10:14:59 AM »
This is my story. I had a sex with a Chinese sex worker in Singapore Geylang 3 months ago. She did two times of unprotected oral sex on me. I did not cum. However, I did not remember if I noticed any blood. I was so careless that I did not check. Worse, stupid as I was, I also tongued her ***** area for a few seconds. As I remembered, I did not dig into her vagina. She was dry and I did not taste any vaginal fluid. However, I can't said that I have a perfect oral health condition, as I do have bleeding (not too serious) sometimes during brushing. Moreover, I had a meal 30 mins prior I visited the house, soft food and I don't think I damaged my teeth/gum in any way. However, I can't be sure if any her vaginal fluid get into any open cut in my month. She then helped me to put on a condom and we started intercourse. At the middle of the intercourse, she said she felt pain and then I ask her to put off the first condom. I asked her to put in another condom and I continued until finished. So the vaginal sex should be protected.

Now, my questions are what's the level of my risk contacting HIV in that my very first and single incident? After searched and read hundreds of posts in this and other forums, I known that oral sex posted a low risk. However, I still cannot calm my feeling, I am so scared to get tested which I think I might be found out as the 'unlucky' one. I also heard that Singpore government is very strict on controlling the sex industry. They require the working girls to go for mandatory monthly checking including HIV monthly.

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2009, 10:56:18 AM »
In the entire history of the epidemic there's never been a single case confirmed of a guy getting HIV from receiving a blowjob. Not one. So it's safe to say you aren't going to make history by becoming the first.

As far as giving oral, while it is theoretically risky, in the real world of HIV transmission just doesn't happen that way. Your saliva has over a dozen elements and proteins which very effectively prevent the transmission of viable HIV.

You are worrying needlessly. Just make sure you are consistently using condoms for vaginal and anal intercourse and you will be well protected sexually from HIV. 
Andy Velez

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2009, 04:43:14 PM »
Thanks. I am worried after reading nycpoz post in "Just Tested POZ" forum. He seems saying that he got HIV from just receiving unprotected oral sex.

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2009, 08:56:17 AM »
Any answer to my question?

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2009, 09:04:50 AM »
Reread all his posts. He had unprotected sex.

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2009, 10:08:29 AM »
Thanks...

I know there is not a documented case of infection because of insertive oral-penis sex.
How about man giving cunnilingus, is there a documented case? I read some forum said there is a few cases.

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2009, 03:17:16 PM »
Giving oral is theoretically possible. But in the real world of HIV transmission just doesn't happen that way.

Your saliva has over a dozen elements and proteins which very effectively prevent the transmission of viable HIV.

You are worrying needlessly. Really.
Andy Velez

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Theoretically, what is the risk ranking?
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2009, 08:12:37 AM »
1. Giving fellatio
2. Receving fellatio
3. Giving Cunnilingus
4. Receiving Cunnilingus

Practically, which one(s) has(have) documented cases.

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2009, 08:40:17 AM »
Chen, I have merged your latest thread with previous ones. Please follow our rule and keep all of your entries in this same thread.

You have already received responses to your concerns. We're not here for you to work the same territory again.
Andy Velez

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2009, 09:07:22 AM »
Just want to know which action is the riskest? May I?

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2009, 09:14:13 AM »
Receiving either are no risk. Giving is theoretically risky but the overwhelming evidence is that transmission doesn't happen from giving. Saliva is a very effective barrier against the transmission of viable HIV.

Give it up and get on with your life. Really.
Andy Velez

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Cunnilingus HIV Risk (again)
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2009, 07:58:09 AM »
Why the experts in this forum said cunnilingus has no risk, but this document said that there was a case female-to-female infection, and another female-to-mail infection case?

http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/Transmission_9963.shtml.

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Re: Cunnilingus HIV Risk (again)
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 08:17:54 AM »
Return to your original thread.

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2009, 08:32:49 AM »
Chen, I have merged your threads. Please follow the rule which you ought to be familiar with by now and keep all of your entries in this one thread.

Of course you choose to focus on a SINGLE CASE out of the uncounted trillions of such sexual acts which have taken place. If you choose to be concerned there is a simple solution. Either don't have cunnilingus or if you do then use dental dams for that activity. After all, anytime you have sex with anything other than your hand there theoretically the possibility of risk. But given the rarity of such a case of transmission you have a way better chance of winning the lottery or getting hit by a bus than of getting infected through cunnilingus.

Make the choice for yourself that you are prepared to live with.
Andy Velez

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2009, 08:33:22 AM »
Sorry Andy, RapidRod,

I will remember to stay in my thread.

I still cannot give up the thinking that I might be the unlucky one to get infected from oral sex, because there are so many websites say that there are a few documented cases.

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2009, 09:37:58 AM »
Well keep on surfing the net and you will definitely come up with material to feed your worst fears. All without any solid basis in HIV science, but we can't stop you from doing that.

However, I can tell you that we are not going to discuss each and every tidbit you come up with to scare yourself with.

We've evaluated your situation. No risk. Period. If you continue to just come back with more about that you will very quickly find yourself getting a Time Out from the site for 28 days. If we thought you'd had a genuine risk we would have told you so. Get on with your life and stop indulging in all this unnecessary drama is what I have to say to you now.
Andy Velez

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2010, 08:50:20 AM »
I still too scared to get test. Recently I caught a small illness and I recovered without taking antibiotic, but it takes me around 1 week. I am wondering how soon will HIV virus cause damage to one's immune system after contracted?

Moreover, I did not have any ARS symptoms for the past 4 months. Statistically, what's the percentage of people who contracted HIV do not have any ARS symptoms.

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2010, 08:55:08 AM »
You didn't have ARS or would you, because you never had a risk as you have been advised.

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2010, 09:23:44 AM »
You're "too scared" to get tested but you want to continue coming back here to have us take seriously a situation in which you have already been told you weren't at risk.

I can tell you that is not going to work here. If you can't let go of this unwarranted fear then get tested and collect the inevitable negative result. But if you just continue returning here to pick over details and symptoms and worry, well you are you going to very quickly find yourself getting a 28 day Time Out from the site.

You can put an end to your HIV worries very simply by getting tested. It's your choice.

Andy Velez

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2010, 07:02:41 PM »
To ann:

Do you have more information regarding the following?

"The third obstacle to transmission this way is having hiv present in the first place. The female secretion where hiv has been shown to be present is the cervicovaginal fluid. This fluid is actually a thick mucus that covers and protects the cervix.

The fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, located on either side of the vaginal opening. I have yet to discover one shred of evidence (and believe me, I've looked) that shows this lubricating fluid to have any more hiv present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears. Saliva, sweat and tears are NOT infectious fluids."

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2010, 07:18:32 PM »
chen,

More information how? It's self explanatory.

For the last time, going down on a woman is NOT a risk for hiv infection. Keep coming back here to fret about this is going to end with you being given a time out.

PLEASE CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED FOR THE VERY LAST TIME!!!

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2010, 07:59:49 AM »
Ann, sorry for my over post. I truly want to believe your accessment of the risk of my exposure. However, a part of myself don't allow me to given up. Reading your above statement regarding cunniligus is really a big relief. I just wondering if you can send out any link, referrence or documents that support the statement. That will be a BIG help to me.

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Re: Is unprotected oral sex really safe?
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2010, 08:15:36 AM »
Chen,

I know what I know about hiv transmission due to years of reading up on the subject, as well as living it in my own life. I don't really have time to search out the links you want. Presumably you also have Google?

Have a look at the oral transmission chart I've provided below. Please note the bottom line where the number of hiv transmissions for any kind of oral is ZERO right across the board.

I'm giving you that time out you've been warned about. Do not attempt to create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned.

Ann

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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