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Author Topic: Diahrea day after steak tar-tar  (Read 7914 times)

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Offline max123

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Re: Diahrea day after steak tar-tar
« Reply #50 on: December 01, 2009, 03:16:58 PM »
So to start out with, even by these standards, we cannot single out raw meat as a "vector"; even a steak cooked to "medium" is still suspect.

well sure...that's sort of a given. just like with sex and depending on the meat, raw can carry risk  :o
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Offline MarcoPoz

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Re: Diahrea day after steak tar-tar
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2009, 10:06:40 AM »
Yep eating raw meats and fish CAN give one the 'green apple quick step'.  I'm sure the rational advice for pozzies is to avoid all raw fish, meats and wash/scrub all veggies.

That being said...

I LOVE sushi, raw oysters, cevechi, kibbee nayee (raw lamb with bulger wheat and spices) and the most I'll cook a steak is medium rare.  I am in NO way telling others to do the same.  I buy my food fresh--my kibbee comes from a Halal butcher and chef, fish/sushi/oysters EXTREMELY fresh or I won't touch them.

I look at it as a quality of life issue for me and a decision I've made based on real informed consent.  I know the risks, I know what to do to limit the risks and I weighed the risk/benefits.  I think this is a good way to think about a lot of the issues I face with HIV.

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Re: Diahrea day after steak tar-tar
« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2009, 10:34:29 AM »
btw, in the Sushi thread in the Nutrition forum this same subject came up and I provided a link to a comment by Dr. Gallant (and I know many of you masturbate at the thought of him /jk ) and he agreed with my statement that the intake of these foods for HIV+ people is entirely dependent on their cd4 number.

I've never understood why some people think that there's a one size fits all for this topic.  It's not very logical frankly.
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Offline MarcoPoz

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Re: Diahrea day after steak tar-tar
« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2009, 10:46:36 AM »
btw, in the Sushi thread in the Nutrition forum this same subject came up and I provided a link to a comment by Dr. Gallant (and I know many of you masturbate at the thought of him /jk ) and he agreed with my statement that the intake of these foods for HIV+ people is entirely dependent on their cd4 number.

I've never understood why some people think that there's a one size fits all for this topic.  It's not very logical frankly.

?

I think I'm missing where the 'one size fits all' hypothesis is in this thread.  Perhaps I haven't read it closely enough.  Also, CD4 levels are one important indicator of immune response 'health' but when it comes to foods and 'cooties' (Bacteria, parasites etc) there are a lot more complex systems involved. One factiod that highlights this example:  CD4 is not neccessarily an indicator of 'gut health' or the optimum operation of the digestive tract and its ability to manage bactiera and parasities. CD4s are more important after the fact in this scenario if the gut isn't dealing with the cootie well.

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Re: Diahrea day after steak tar-tar
« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2009, 06:31:04 PM »
If your digestive tract didn't take a huge hit from long-term HIV infection, i don't see why people feel like they have to make blanket generalisations.  Its all so damn sloppy.  I bet there are quite a few LTS who have reconstituted a good digestive flora and enjoy their meat as well.

For my part, I have perfect BMs and intend to eat delicious foods from all the groups for the rest of my days. , washed down with wine and water and toasted with cocktails if the occassion calls.  And then a cigar.  

Live it up my friends....  Thats my blanket generalisation.  Don't be an alcoholic and don't be a regular smoker..

Yep, thats what i was saying too, one size does not fit all.  If I had wrecked immunity and wrecked digestion, I doubt I'd be slamming oysters and champagne with no regrets.
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Offline aztecan

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Re: Diahrea day after steak tar-tar
« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2009, 01:18:04 AM »
I've got to ask, you guys are  aware, aren't you, that tartare de cheval is horse meat?

Here are a couple links to some interesting tid-bits about horse meat:

http://en.allexperts.com/e/h/ho/horse_meat.htm

http://equinejustice.blogspot.com/2009/08/would-you-like-some-amphetamines-with.html

Yes, I knew it was horse. It was very tasty too! ;D

I have been, and will continue to be, one of those who will spout off the dire warnings for those whose immune systems are substantially compromised.

But I do have to agree with Philly, et. al., regarding the need to balance these precautions based on our real life situations.

My CD4s haven't dropped below 900 in more than a decade and I've been undetectable for longer than that.

I pretty much eat what I want, well, sort of, anyway. I do watch the cholesterol because I have to .

But I love medium rare steaks or leg of lamb, and I do eat sushi and sashimi once in a while.

If I didn't live in a landlocked state where all seafood must be flown in or frozen and shipped, I would probably feel easier about sushi.

I also am somewhat leery of eating rare game meat. Too many chances for parasites.

But, I digress,

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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Diahrea day after steak tar-tar
« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2009, 06:03:13 PM »
I had explosive D twice today after a night of foie gras, bone marrow and sweetbreads but those are all cooked.  Must have been the Manhattan, champagne, and five glasses of wine.
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Offline max123

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Re: Diahrea day after steak tar-tar
« Reply #57 on: December 04, 2009, 08:26:45 PM »
honey, sounds like too high a fat diet for one night. besides, manhattans are sacred...it couldn't have been that. god, i love bourbon.  ;)
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Diahrea day after steak tar-tar
« Reply #58 on: December 04, 2009, 09:10:32 PM »
Don't worry, it was kinda tapas style and everything was shared among three of us, so I didn't get more than a few bites of each item.  Plus I eat like a bird.
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Offline aztecan

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Re: Diahrea day after steak tar-tar
« Reply #59 on: December 04, 2009, 09:23:41 PM »
Plus I eat like a bird.

Don't birds eat 10 times their bodyweight each day? ;D
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Offline Assurbanipal

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Re: Diahrea day after steak tar-tar
« Reply #60 on: December 04, 2009, 09:24:40 PM »
Don't worry, it was kinda tapas style and everything was shared among three of us, so I didn't get more than a few bites of each item.  Plus I eat like a bird.

But drink like a fish?   :-*

Was it a red wine?  Burgundy and sometimes merlot have been known to do that explosive thing for me...

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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Diahrea day after steak tar-tar
« Reply #61 on: December 04, 2009, 10:22:10 PM »
But drink like a fish?   :-*

Was it a red wine?  Burgundy and sometimes merlot have been known to do that explosive thing for me...

Assurbanipal (a scotch type)

Yeah, it was 3 glasses of red wine, all Spanish -- one glass was sent over by the vineyard owner who was eating.  1 glass of white dessert wine, and then a later glass of port before bed.  Someone else was doing all of the ordering (and paying) so I can't be any more specific :)  I just provide the entertainment and try to look pretty.
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