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Offline Forevergreen

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do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« on: November 12, 2009, 05:12:03 PM »
i've started to get involved with this guy (also poz) and we're getting to the point of sex. i'm a bottom, he's more top. in the past, i've decided not to let poz guys top me unprotected b/c both of my doctors discouraged me from it. they both told me that there is evidence of people picking up other strains of HIV and it causing problems with their treatment. my numbers are good and i dont want to jeopordize my health, but i dont like using condoms and i cant really see myself in an intimate relationship having safe sex all the time.

what would you do? do any of you have any experience with this? have you had any discussions with your doctor about it?

Offline ad2san

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2009, 06:11:44 PM »
Hi,

Ii never talk with my doc about this. I kind of think it is not his business. I am poz, my partner is neg (MSM).
I practice safe sex with my partner (since 6 years almost). We are not safe 2 or 3 times a year ... due to excitement and spontaneity. I think this is hard to manage since it ends up with some guilt feeling. We both know the risks ... so we manage it.

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Offline AboutToStart

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2009, 08:07:46 PM »
From a pure medical point of view of course your doctor is correct.. however there's more to life than pure medical concerns.. you should find your own balance.. Perhaps you guyz can check your virus strain and if you both have the same one(s) and you both take meds and undetecable then the risk is really low.. just a thought..

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2009, 08:58:01 PM »
No, I don't, and I've never met a HIV+ guy that practices safe sex (and I've 'met' plenty)!
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Offline ByTheBay

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2009, 10:09:47 PM »
My doctor reminded me at my last appointment (this week) "Do not have any unsafe sex. You are at risk for picking up a cross resistant strain".  Given my current numbers and struggle with HIV to date, I am taking his advice.  Not sure how this applies in general, but that was his advice to me on the subject.
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Offline Forevergreen

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2009, 11:11:48 PM »
it seems like most doctors recommend not having unsafe sex to prevent reinfection, but most poz guys i know dont use protection and don't seem to have any problems with it. i wondering how common/likely reinfection really is.

Offline sharkdiver

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2009, 11:16:27 PM »
There have been many threads on this subject...you can do a search ya know

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2009, 11:20:46 PM »
There have been many threads on this subject...you can do a search ya know

Maybe someone will come along and post a link. I am too lazy to do it about now.
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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2009, 11:25:55 PM »
No, I don't, and I've never met a HIV+ guy that practices safe sex (and I've 'met' plenty)!
[/quote

Well, I got positive from receiving oral sex and have never had any anal sex.  So, there are a few of us out here for whatever reason that ended up with the virus from activities normally deemed safe by the statistics. 

So now you've met someone positive who practices safe sex. :)

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2009, 11:29:10 PM »
i wondering how common/likely reinfection really is.

Not very/hardly at all if both have undetectable viral loads for something like the previous 6 months to a year, can't recall from all the previous threads.

Most doctors are conservative and would ideally rather not deal with their patients having incessant bouts of anal warts, gonorrhea, anal syphilis, etc. which is really what condom use in between pozzies helps to lessen.
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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2009, 01:45:29 AM »
miss p hits it on the head as usual.

i dont have safe sex with others. i have not run into the individual who has the superstrain or who has been cross infected. she/he is the spook everyone talks about but noone really seems to know.

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Offline skeebo1969

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2009, 02:38:41 AM »


  I always practice safe sex ... safely in my room with my wife with the doors locked, however she never wears condoms and I don't either!
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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2009, 09:01:24 AM »
There have only been a handful of instances of reinfection and in all cases, the original infection the person was dealing with was less than one year old. That's a handful  of cases out of all the hundreds of thousands who are positive (and in developed countries where something like this is likely to be caught).

I'm in a poz/poz relationship and we never use condoms. It has not caused problems for either one of us.

However, I will say this - you two should both get checked for other  STIs before you bareback with each other. Although you don't need to worry about hiv, there are still other STIs out there and some of them - like syphilis - can be harder to treat when you're poz.

As long as neither one of you has another STI, and as long as neither one of you is very newly positive, then I wouldn't worry about it if I were you.

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2009, 10:07:36 AM »
No, I don't, and I've never met a HIV+ guy that practices safe sex (and I've 'met' plenty)!
[/quote

Well, I got positive from receiving oral sex and have never had any anal sex.  So, there are a few of us out here for whatever reason that ended up with the virus from activities normally deemed safe by the statistics.  

So now you've met someone positive who practices safe sex. :)
Not really.  I put 'met' in quotes because I mean that I've had sex with them, not met them online.   ;)
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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2009, 01:06:23 PM »
There was an article on a sister site this week that said Swiss study found many HIV+ (10%) men have anal chlamydia and don't know it. It's treatable.  
I guess if this is a dating boyfriend thing you can have a honest conversation and make a reasonable choice.
I have a friend who regularly goes on sex holidays in Berlin where its so easy to BB as much as you want.  He says he has had positive syphilis tests twice in two years.  But he takes the precaution to get tested for all these STD's after his holidays.  
Personally my sex life has been extremely sporadic and limited since seroconversion and one reason is because I can't establish my principles on this.
 
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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2009, 02:22:49 PM »
For my doctor the main problem would be the risk of Hepatitis C, which, she says, is transmissible through bb sex.  That is not an easily solved or cured problem.  Is this true?  Is there much danger of getting Hep C through unprotected sex? 
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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2009, 03:23:42 PM »
Is there much danger of getting Hep C through unprotected sex? 

Yeah, if you like to get fisted a lot.
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Offline TheRoof

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2009, 06:03:54 PM »
This is what makes me nervous. Myself I can see myself dating another POZ guy in the future. I pretty much think to myself that it's a must to have protection involved, as I don't feel like taking risks, especially since I already got this "risk". It's a personal decision.

I' do see that a lot of POZ guys practice condom less sex. Just from like websites, etc.  If you're a bottom. I heard that there is an 8:1 ratio risk. A bottom is 8 more times likely to get an STD through BB sex then the top. Because of the blood vessel canals.

Though any risk is risk. Of course. Though it makes sense that the bottom or the top would have higher risk/lower risk outcomes. etc.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2009, 06:15:25 PM by TheRoof »

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2009, 07:16:57 PM »
I have no intention of engaging in unprotected sex. I'm sure part of  that comes from just being  a year and a half out from diagnosis. My emotional/physical health has returned ---and I want to keep it that way. I'm less worried about 'super strains' of HIV than Hep C  or HPV ( see http://www.cdc.gov/STD/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm)   As has been said over and over on this site--everyone is different--we make our choices and live with the consequences. Today, I'm not willing to take the risk.

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2009, 07:36:04 PM »
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Is there much danger of getting Hep C through unprotected sex? 


Yeah, if you like to get fisted a lot.

Is that because it requires the presence of blood?  But surely there may be cuts even without fisting? I would like to know what the chances are of getting Hep C from sex.   

As for the other STDs mentioned below:

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Most doctors are conservative and would ideally rather not deal with their patients having incessant bouts of anal warts, gonorrhea, anal syphilis, etc. which is really what condom use in between pozzies helps to lessen.

I too would prefer not to have frequent bouts of any of those things!  HIV is enough.  But I am wondering--how great is the danger?  Those who say:

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No, I don't, and I've never met a HIV+ guy that practices safe sex (and I've 'met' plenty)!

Do these guys whom you've 'met' have "incessant bouts of anal warts, gonorrhea, anal syphilis, etc."? 

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I have a friend who regularly goes on sex holidays in Berlin where its so easy to BB as much as you want.  He says he has had positive syphilis tests twice in two years.  But he takes the precaution to get tested for all these STD's after his holidays. 

This suggests that the danger is real enough.  Syphilis twice in two years?  Is that typical of someone having bb sex?  Does he consider it 'no big deal' or a price worth paying?

 What do others here think?

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Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
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Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
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Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2009, 07:39:23 PM »
Most of the poz guys I have met insist on bb sex or no sex at all ! I really don't get that part. The other STDs are quite nasty. I normally walk away in that type of situation when a guy asks me for bb or nothing. In august, I made a big mistake and topped one guy bb at a bathhouse. A month later I had some very nasty syphilis symptoms. I won't get into the details, but it was much worse than anything HIV has ever done to me. Fortunately, I didn't get hep C. The syphilis was treated in late september, and I'm no longer contagious. And my bf who hardly ever has sex with me did not contract it, fortunately. Though he still had the penicilin shots preventively in case his test was a false negative and he was still in the incubation period. The lady at the health dept told me the syphilis will be in my system forever. My doctor will monitor my RPR for the next 2 years to check how low it goes.
The syphilis doesn't appear to have affected my HIV progression. In fact, I got my highest tcell count ever recorded 2 weeks after being treated for it. My viral load went up but is still very low.

I have also contracted other STDs in the past (chlamydia, gonorrhea) but it was through oral, not bb sex. They are not fun either, but fortunately those can be cleared up completely fairly easily if caught in time. Unfortunately, those other bugs are much easier to transmit than HIV. And good luck getting someone to have oral with condoms. I bought flavored condoms, but there aren't many takers for them.

You already know that you can't take someone at their word that they don't have HIV. Why would it be any different for any other STD status ? Unfortunately, even STD test results don't mean a whole lot, since each STD has an incubation period, and many people are carriers of them but don't have symptoms. If you are going to have unprotected sex of any kind with multiple partners, even oral sex, the only thing you can do is get tested regularly for those other STDs. Say at least every 4-6 months, or earlier if you have symptoms. But eventually you are going to catch something else. Just hope it's not hep C or syphilis because those are the nastiest.

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2009, 08:28:03 PM »
Hey well my wife and i are BOTH longterm survivors with HIV and we know the risks and have simply decided not to use condoms. Its a judgement call that one should be fully educated on before making a decision. This probably isnt very helpful but its what  ihad to add.

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2009, 08:46:47 PM »
Most of the poz guys I have met insist on bb sex or no sex at all !

I'm surprised by that. It's like someone offering you a cookie and then you turn it down because it is not chocolate chip.  Hello! it's a free cookie!!!

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2009, 09:17:18 PM »
I'm surprised by that. It's like someone offering you a cookie and then you turn it down because it is not chocolate chip.  Hello! it's a free cookie!!!

Usually a Top who likes BB might say. Sex feels better w/o a condom. Obviously. Idk... personally the bottom might be more at risk for an STD (again) then the top. Risk is still risk, but some activity is riskier then others. Like Bareback Bottoming.

So if I do start dating a Poz Guy I pray he doesn't pressure me into going BB eventually. Which I think might happen anyway.  :-[


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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2009, 09:18:23 PM »
Well duh, of course you're going to get STD's barebacking in a bath house.  That's like Homosexuality 101.
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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2009, 09:37:11 PM »
Well duh, of course you're going to get STD's barebacking in a bath house.  That's like Homosexuality 101.

Thanks for the helpful comments MissP, you really added a lot of value to the discussion.

I don't think the bathhouses are any worse than bars or hooking up online when it comes to the risk for contracting STDs. I had never visited a bathhouse before I got HIV or chlamydia. I only started going to bathhouses post HIV,  when my disclosure made it more difficult to meet guys outside.

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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2009, 09:41:30 PM »
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If you are going to have unprotected sex of any kind with multiple partners, even oral sex, the only thing you can do is get tested regularly for those other STDs. Say at least every 4-6 months, or earlier if you have symptoms. But eventually you are going to catch something else. Just hope it's not hep C or syphilis because those are the nastiest.

Do we not automatically get tested for these things every time we get our "labs" (why don't they just call them blood tests?) done every four months?  I know every time I see my doctor one of the things she says is "you don't have any other STDs".  She doesn't recite what the STDs are which I don't have.  One time I specifically asked if I had Herpes and she said I hadn't been tested for it, so I know I'm not being tested for everything. 
Summer 2004--became HIV+
Dec. 2005--found out

Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
Aug '11      677     22      21,000
Sept. '12    747     15      14,000

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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2009, 10:47:56 PM »
Do we not automatically get tested for these things every time we get our "labs" (why don't they just call them blood tests?) done every four months?  I know every time I see my doctor one of the things she says is "you don't have any other STDs".  She doesn't recite what the STDs are which I don't have.  One time I specifically asked if I had Herpes and she said I hadn't been tested for it, so I know I'm not being tested for everything. 

I don't believe that these tests are done every time, Nestor.  Some of them are very specific and probably would require additional blood samples to be drawn.
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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2009, 10:48:26 PM »
I'll respond to this, since I'm the one that you quoted:
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No, I don't, and I've never met a HIV+ guy that practices safe sex (and I've 'met' plenty)!

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Do these guys whom you've 'met' have "incessant bouts of anal warts, gonorrhea, anal syphilis, etc."?
Let me say that, and I absolutely do not mean this to be mean, this is one of the most ignorant sounding things I've ever been asked on these forums!  No, of course they don't, and neither do I.  In fact, besides HIV, I've only been (mis)diagnosed once with syphilis.  It's funny to me... so many guys here say they'd never have unprotected sex, but that really does not 'match' the reality that I (and every HIV+ gay guy I can think of) know.

Is that because it requires the presence of blood?  But surely there may be cuts even without fisting? I would like to know what the chances are of getting Hep C from sex.  

As for the other STDs mentioned below:

I too would prefer not to have frequent bouts of any of those things!  HIV is enough.  But I am wondering--how great is the danger?  Those who say:

Do these guys whom you've 'met' have "incessant bouts of anal warts, gonorrhea, anal syphilis, etc."?  

This suggests that the danger is real enough.  Syphilis twice in two years?  Is that typical of someone having bb sex?  Does he consider it 'no big deal' or a price worth paying?

 What do others here think?


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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2009, 12:30:23 AM »
I'm surprised by that. It's like someone offering you a cookie and then you turn it down because it is not chocolate chip.  Hello! it's a free cookie!!!

As far as I can tell, most of the poz guys who disclose their status publicly are looking for BB . It's very apparent if you look at, say craigslist ads. It seems to be the main reason for their disclosure. It takes a lot to convince one to play safe, and usually can't be done in my experience. Most of the other 90% of poz guys just don't disclose. Who knows if they are playing safe or not. It has happened a few times that guys disclosed to me that they were poz only after I did, in the hope of playing bb. Yes, bb definitely feels better in the moment. But the consequences can be difficult and long-lasting unfortunately.

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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2009, 12:35:51 AM »
A month later I had some very nasty syphilis symptoms. I won't get into the details, but it was much worse than anything HIV has ever done to me. Fortunately, I didn't get hep C. The syphilis was treated in late september, and I'm no longer contagious. ..... The lady at the health dept told me the syphilis will be in my system forever.

Hmm I didn't know syphilis is forever....  And why would you have worried about having got Hep C from a f*ck, since it is blood borne?
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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2009, 12:39:52 AM »
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"Do these guys whom you've 'met' have "incessant bouts of anal warts, gonorrhea, anal syphilis, etc."?

"Let me say that, and I absolutely do not mean this to be mean, this is one of the most ignorant sounding things I've ever been asked on these forums!  No, of course they don't, and neither do I.


I'm awfully sorry if I've offended you, but just how is my question ignorant-sounding?  In fact, how can a question be ignorant?  I am trying to ascertain fact here.  How great, in fact, is the risk of various STDs?  Miss Philicia said that the reason doctors don't want their patients having unsafe sex is that they do not want those patients having "frequent bouts of syphilis etc. etc."  My own doctor's attitude is quite typical of the sort of thing Miss P describes.  The logical question (or at least the question which, in my ignorance, appears logical to me) is: are the fears of those doctors well-founded or not?  Are those doctors being worry-warts or are they being realistic? 

This is a question of burning relevance for many of us here.  Because if the danger of syphilis etc. is really minimal, then we've been decieved by our over-cautious doctors, and we shall curse them when we realise that we wasted the best years of our lives with condoms when we should have been flinging caution to the wind and gathering rose-buds while we may and so forth.  But if on the other hand our doctors are right, then when we wake up with corpuscles on some intimate parts of our anatomy or are having warts cryogenically frozen off of others, we shall not have very kind thoughts, at that moment, for those who led us down the primrose path with the idea that it was all no big deal and that our doctors were all just fuddy-duddies. 

I thought the point of a thread like this is for us to learn answers to such questions by considering each others' experiences. 

To help us answer that question, we've already had one person in this discussion who mentions someone who got syphilis twice in two years.  Madbrain has also mentioned his experiences which suggest that the point of view of the doctors whom Miss P mentions is reasonable rather than unreasonable. 

Since you had mentioned that neither you nor the plenty of poz guys whom you'd met practiced safe sex, I thought it was reasonable to wonder what light your experience shed on the qustion.  Thank you for answering.  I'm extremely happy to learn that your experience and that of your friends has proven those doctors wrong. 

But--to return to our starting point--where was the ignorance in my question?  Does it lie in the fact that bb sex is universally known to be really harmless, and that every non-ignorant person recognises the fact, and only fools listen to those silly doctors?  Your use of the word "of course" suggests that, but the experiences of others who have commented here suggests otherwise. 
Summer 2004--became HIV+
Dec. 2005--found out

Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
Aug '11      677     22      21,000
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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2009, 12:45:18 AM »
Dear, I don't think anyone says BB is without risk.
Maybe those who bb and never got STDS have great immunity, or negotiate and know their partners and reduce their risk through honest communication, or are lucky.
Go sleaze around London, Paris or New York bb hot spots, with no communication with your partners, and you can see the obvious risks, can't you?
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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2009, 12:46:30 AM »
Do we not automatically get tested for these things every time we get our "labs" (why don't they just call them blood tests?) done every four months?  I know every time I see my doctor one of the things she says is "you don't have any other STDs".  She doesn't recite what the STDs are which I don't have.  One time I specifically asked if I had Herpes and she said I hadn't been tested for it, so I know I'm not being tested for everything.  

I don't actually, I have to ask specifically to get tested for other things. STD tests are not automatic every 3 months at Kaiser. Only the VL/CD4 are.

And maybe we don't call them blood tests because some of the tests are actually urine tests or (sigh) swabs.
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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2009, 12:53:00 AM »
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And why would you have worried about having got Hep C from a f*ck, since it is blood borne?

I have asked the same question in this very thread.  My doctor told me that I could get Hep C from unprotected anal sex.  I then looked at the literature on Hep C in the waiting room at the clinic, and it only talked about drug use as a risk; when I mentioned this to my doctor she said that that literature needed to be updated, and that Hep C has been transmitted through sex.

I have asked, in this thread, whether or not what she said was true.  Miss Philicia replied with the suggestion that only fisting carried that risk, and I asked why;  as of now that is where the conversation stands.  

Summer 2004--became HIV+
Dec. 2005--found out

Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
Aug '11      677     22      21,000
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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2009, 12:55:06 AM »
Hmm I didn't know syphilis is forever....  And why would you have worried about having got Hep C from a f*ck, since it is blood borne?

Hep C is still sexually transmissible, even though it's not a common route. My HIV doc didn't question ordering the test.
Wikipedia says this about hep C transmission through sex :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_C

Sexual exposure

"Sexual transmission of HCV is considered to be rare. Studies show the risk of sexual transmission in heterosexual, monogamous relationships is extremely rare or even null.[17][18] The CDC does not recommend the use of condoms between long-term monogamous discordant couples (where one partner is positive and the other is negative).[19] However, because of the high prevalence of hepatitis C, this small risk may translate into a non-trivial number of cases transmitted by sexual routes. Vaginal penetrative sex is believed to have a lower risk of transmission than sexual practices that involve higher levels of trauma to anogenital mucosa (anal penetrative sex, fisting, use of sex toys).[20]"
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« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2009, 01:02:30 AM »
Madbrain,

My tests have included a urine test only once in four years.  They take five vials of blood, and every time I see my doctor she 1) tells me about CD4 and VL, 2) talks about my blood sugar and cholesterol, and 3)announces that I have no other STDs or hepatitis.  I've never asked specifically which STDs they are that I don't have, except for the one time when I asked about herpes and she said that they didn't test for that.  But she has to be talking about something!  

This reminds me of one of my earliest visits to that clinic.  Being new to HIV and not really knowing what my "numbers" trajectory would be, I was rather nervous about the whole thing.  Someone came into the waiting room and called out a Christian name which happens to be mine.  I dutifully followed him into a room where a doctor who was not my doctor was waiting.  This doctor looked at me with a compassionate look and said solemnly: "So, you've tested postiive for HIV and several other STDs...."  I felt faint and saw spots in front of my eyes, I trembled--for about a second.  Then I realised that the way in which he had said it was not at all the way he would have said it to someone to whom the information was new; he spoke as if he were mentioning facts well known to his interlocutor, and he was surprised when he saw me look surprised by what he had said.  It turned out that I was one of two people with the same given name in the clinic, and they had gotten the wrong one!   Perhaps that's an argument against excessive informality in the public sphere? 
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Summer 2004--became HIV+
Dec. 2005--found out

Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
Aug '11      677     22      21,000
Sept. '12    747     15      14,000

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2009, 01:06:11 AM »
Hey well my wife and i are BOTH longterm survivors with HIV and we know the risks and have simply decided not to use condoms. Its a judgement call that one should be fully educated on before making a decision. This probably isnt very helpful but its what  ihad to add.

That's probably OK if you are in a monogamous relationship. The OP asked partners, plural. That's a different situation.

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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2009, 01:13:04 AM »
Madbrain,

My tests have included a urine test only once in four years.  They take five vials of blood, and every time I see my doctor she 1) tells me about CD4 and VL, 2) talks about my blood sugar and cholesterol, and 3)announces that I have no other STDs or hepatitis.  I've never asked specifically which STDs they are that I don't have, except for the one time when I asked about herpes and she said that they didn't test for that.  But she has to be talking about something!  

It sounds like your clinic has a more stringent protocol for tests.
Kaiser uses urine tests for chlamydia and gonorrhea, and/or swabs, which can be painful.
The syphilis is checked for through blood tests.

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This reminds me of one of my earliest visits to that clinic.  Being new to HIV and not really knowing what my "numbers" trajectory would be, I was rather nervous about the whole thing.  Someone came into the waiting room and called out a Christian name which happens to be mine.  I dutifully followed him into a room where a doctor who was not my doctor was waiting.  This doctor looked at me with a compassionate look and said solemnly: "So, you've tested postiive for HIV and several other STDs...."  I felt faint and saw spots in front of my eyes, I trembled--for about a second.  Then I realised that the way in which he had said it was not at all the way he would have said it to someone to whom the information was new; he spoke as if he were mentioning facts well known to his interlocutor, and he was surprised when he saw me look surprised by what he had said.  It turned out that I was one of two people with the same given name in the clinic, and they had gotten the wrong one!   Perhaps that's an argument against excessive informality in the public sphere? 

Sorry to hear about that experience. It sounds like a rather awful way to learn about your HIV status. Though, to be honest, I don't think there is a good one.

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2009, 01:27:24 AM »
It takes a lot to convince one to play safe, and usually can't be done in my experience.

So guys kick you out of bed when you want to use a condom? Having been sexually active in the 80's this is like Bizarro World to me.

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« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2009, 01:50:26 AM »
Madbrain,

I should have been more clear.  That was not (thankfully) the way I learned I had HIV, although the way I did learn was not much better.  I knew I had HIV, and this was probably my third time finding out the results of a set of labs, but as far as I knew (and in fact) I had no other STDs, so that hearing a doctor who was a total stranger tell me without preface that I had tested positive for "several" STDs besides HIV was the shock. 

GSO,  it has happened to me.  There is a poz guy I've chatted with online several times.  He seems quite attractive from his pictures and he was very eager to meet me and have condomless sex.  I said it all sounded great but I would want a condom.  No, he said.  Sex with a condom just wasn't interesting to him.  He then painted a pornographic picture of how great it would be without a condom, and urged me to try it.  It was as a result of that online encounter that I asked my doctor about unsafe sex and she said what she did about Hep C, and reading the descriptions of Hep C I concluded that it wasn't worth it.  When I met my online "friend" again I asked him whether he was worried about such things and he said "I don't want to live forever; I want to enjoy my life."  I replied that it wasn't really a question of living forever or even of length of life, but rather of quality of life.  I would find life somewhat less enjoyable if it involved a lot of being treated for STDs, especially on top of HIV.  I think the conversation--and our online "relationship", ended there.  Ironically, I've had great relations with various negative men, always with condoms, and I don't they diminish the experience at all.  In fact if I did have bb sex I would probably spend the time worrying about whether I was going to infect him or whether he was going to infect me, and that worrying would diminish the pleasure somewhat more than a condom would. 
Summer 2004--became HIV+
Dec. 2005--found out

Date          CD4    %       VL
Jan. '06    725    25      9,097
Nov. '06    671    34     52,202
Apr. '07    553    30      24,270
Sept. '07  685    27       4,849
Jan. '08    825    29       4,749
Mar. '08    751    30     16,026
Aug. '08    653    30       3,108
Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
July  '11      530    22      39,000
Aug '11      677     22      21,000
Sept. '12    747     15      14,000

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« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2009, 02:14:13 AM »
Just to be clear I don't have issue with HIV+ people who want to have sex without condoms and I don't think aside from other STDs there are significant dangers. I'm just very surprised all these guys refuse to have sex with condoms.

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« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2009, 02:48:54 AM »
So guys kick you out of bed when you want to use a condom? Having been sexually active in the 80's this is like Bizarro World to me.

Not exactly like that. But they tell me not to come over when I say I don't bb, after I already have their address or other contact info, ie. far enough into the hookup process that I know things would go differently if I did bb. I only get that kind of reaction from the self-identified poz guys. The neg guys, or at least those that self-identify as neg, are happy to use condoms. Obviously they are not all really neg.

Speaking of bizarro. I even ran into one guy online who listed his status as poz. This was on adam4adam. he said he played safe with negs, but bb with poz only. Sure enough, after he saw my poz status in my profile there, he asked me for bb. And when I declined he didn't want to play at all. I asked him to just pretend that I was neg, so we could use condoms. But that was too much for him.
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Offline leese43

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2009, 03:02:12 AM »
This thread reminded me of a mail I received on a dating site a month back:

him - i see you have herpes genital too! mmmm ! do you have many outbreaks? (as i cant use condom) xx

me - You don't beat around the bush do you! Who said anything about sex yet??  But as you asked, yes I got 2 for the price of 1.. I don't have outbreaks often, i'm on Valtrax which surpresses it but i think this is a non-starter anyway cos i definately wouldn't go without a condom until i knew the guy very well..

I never heard from him again!! lol
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Offline skeebo1969

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2009, 07:34:36 AM »
This thread reminded me of a mail I received on a dating site a month back:

him - i see you have herpes genital too! mmmm ! do you have many outbreaks? (as i cant use condom) xx

me - You don't beat around the bush do you! Who said anything about sex yet??  But as you asked, yes I got 2 for the price of 1.. I don't have outbreaks often, i'm on Valtrax which surpresses it but i think this is a non-starter anyway cos i definately wouldn't go without a condom until i knew the guy very well..

I never heard from him again!! lol

There's still hope for the heterosexual male yet!  Sheeesh, he's probably that guy who complains on some forum how he's such a great guy but can't find Mrs. Perfect because he's positive.
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Offline David_CA

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2009, 08:34:43 AM »
Don't worry; you didn't really offend me... I did chuckle, though!  By extension, having 'met' these guys (had sex), you would be asking me if I've had those"incessant bouts of anal warts, gonorrhea, anal syphilis, etc." that Miss P mentioned.  The answer would be no, I have not.  I ask for a complete STD test every other set of labs... so far, so good. 

While I don't think that the Dr's are wrong, do they see the full picture?  Until a patient has another STD, the logical assumption from a Dr would be that he was practicing safe sex (assuming he was having sex with multiple partners).  Also, do you think most people are going to tell their Dr if they are out having BB sex with multiple partners?  I'm sure some do, but I know for a fact that some (most?) don't.






I'm awfully sorry if I've offended you, but just how is my question ignorant-sounding?  In fact, how can a question be ignorant?  I am trying to ascertain fact here.  How great, in fact, is the risk of various STDs?  Miss Philicia said that the reason doctors don't want their patients having unsafe sex is that they do not want those patients having "frequent bouts of syphilis etc. etc."  My own doctor's attitude is quite typical of the sort of thing Miss P describes.  The logical question (or at least the question which, in my ignorance, appears logical to me) is: are the fears of those doctors well-founded or not?  Are those doctors being worry-warts or are they being realistic? 

This is a question of burning relevance for many of us here.  Because if the danger of syphilis etc. is really minimal, then we've been decieved by our over-cautious doctors, and we shall curse them when we realise that we wasted the best years of our lives with condoms when we should have been flinging caution to the wind and gathering rose-buds while we may and so forth.  But if on the other hand our doctors are right, then when we wake up with corpuscles on some intimate parts of our anatomy or are having warts cryogenically frozen off of others, we shall not have very kind thoughts, at that moment, for those who led us down the primrose path with the idea that it was all no big deal and that our doctors were all just fuddy-duddies. 

I thought the point of a thread like this is for us to learn answers to such questions by considering each others' experiences. 

To help us answer that question, we've already had one person in this discussion who mentions someone who got syphilis twice in two years.  Madbrain has also mentioned his experiences which suggest that the point of view of the doctors whom Miss P mentions is reasonable rather than unreasonable. 

Since you had mentioned that neither you nor the plenty of poz guys whom you'd met practiced safe sex, I thought it was reasonable to wonder what light your experience shed on the qustion.  Thank you for answering.  I'm extremely happy to learn that your experience and that of your friends has proven those doctors wrong. 

But--to return to our starting point--where was the ignorance in my question?  Does it lie in the fact that bb sex is universally known to be really harmless, and that every non-ignorant person recognises the fact, and only fools listen to those silly doctors?  Your use of the word "of course" suggests that, but the experiences of others who have commented here suggests otherwise. 
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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2009, 02:32:49 PM »
I haven't practiced any sex since my diagnosis.  :)
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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2009, 05:09:12 PM »
Personally, if you know someone well enough to have discussed their mother, fucking without condoms is okay. Sure, there is a risk they's a tramp but there's antibiotics, so get tested regular like n make sure you have their mother's phone number.

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2009, 10:24:46 PM »
on the hep c note...
as someone who picked up all the other shit after (you've seen my other threads) except for hep c this is what my experience has taught me.

stds happen, frequently.
as a pozzie, stds happen between other pozzies, frequently.
my dr, and society at large, wants me to stop having sex so they can sleep better at night.

my dr also told me that hep c is not primarily transmitted through unprotected poz on poz sex. my person an i discussed fhis and have decided not to use condoms.

i dont know how long ive had hep c
i dont think i got it sexually.
ive been pierced a number of times and they werent always by professionals.


my hep c is barely active (?). we weren't able to get enough of the hcv from my blood to do any tests after my last draw (and i drink like a sailor in and out of rehab).


i do not practice safe sex with other poz partners. i practiced safe sex up until 2 years ago. play at your own risk. men lie. and men do not know. and a lot of men do not want to know. (insert women if necessarY)
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Offline GNYC09

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Re: do u practice safe sex with other poz partners?
« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2009, 10:39:29 PM »
stds happen, frequently.
...including crabs! eek.  :o

 


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