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i got hiv???...am so scared
« on: August 15, 2006, 08:22:37 AM »
Hi,

Me chinese...so english bad...

Me went to massage parlour in Canada...

I had a big, deep fresh cut on middle finger...bleeded A LOT an hour before and still had hanging skin on it....so very fresh cut...

I fingered lady so much...20 minutes with the same finger...she had so much fluids on my finger....i know...

I already feel tired and have sore throat!!!..

we had intensive body rub...but no insertive....i did not wear condom at all...

next day i went to psrlour and asked to see the lady...but the person at desk told me the lady doesnt work there anymore coz she had heavy drug usage and other STDs...didnt tell which stds though...so me sure infected.....


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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2006, 08:26:46 AM »
No risk, why? If your finger would have been that lacerated and bleeding you wouldn't have used that finger to finger her and for the rubbing no risk in that either.

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2006, 08:30:25 AM »
no Rapid...in excitement...i forgot...i sometimes even felt that pain...then changed fingers and again used the old finger that was hurt..so i sure used the hurt finger...for fingering most time..should i take PEP?

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2006, 08:35:01 AM »
NO you don't need PEP.

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2006, 08:38:37 AM »
so shoiuld me even get tested?...please help!!!

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2006, 08:43:55 AM »
No need to test either.

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2006, 12:27:02 PM »
any documentation on anyone infected this way...me had blood to fluid contact...so obvious!!!

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2006, 12:33:40 PM »
also...should there be heavy bleeding for blood to fluid transmission occur...or if bleeding not occuring...but cut dtill fresh...can fluid get connected to bloodstream?

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2006, 02:08:56 PM »
Read the "Welcome" thread.

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2006, 07:19:32 PM »
guys...i am sorry to post again...I started having diarhoea today...

also I forgot....2 weeks back I went to a strip club and a lady bit me on my lip...no blood...but she bit me...is that also infectious?

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2006, 07:29:08 PM »
Nope, that's not infectious either.

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2006, 12:05:21 AM »
ok...one last question...(may be)

this cut on my finger though not bleeding still hurts!!! when I press on it...so even if it does hurt but no blood on finger...and the lady mensurating...will that pose risk?

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2006, 04:34:46 AM »
guilty,

Fingering is not a risk for hiv infection, no matter what sort of spin you want to put on it. If you cannot bring yourself to believe us, then test and collect your negative result. Any sexually active adult should be having a routine test at least once a year anyway. If this is the extent of your sexual activities, I'm fully expecting you to test negative.

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2006, 10:30:46 AM »
Thanks Ann,

One thing I didnt mention was I was on her tits and my genitals rubbed against her tits roughly and finally she gave me a hand job...I assumed these arent at risk....so i didnt mention them...they arent right?

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2006, 10:31:09 AM »
and thoughout this process I did NOT wear condom

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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2006, 12:24:40 PM »
Read the "Weclome Thread". .

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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2006, 01:43:50 PM »
guilty,

NOTHING you have brought to this forum is a risk for hiv infection.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple. Seriously!

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2006, 11:22:37 PM »
one more question...sorry am back...

I have bad sore throat, dry cough, body pains, headache, diarhoea, fever in just 4 days of exposure...is this possible...am i sero-converting...sorry...i know this isnt possible...i am in panic state!!!...please comment...i know..i am at low risk...but i dont know how to get out of condition like tis

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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2006, 11:32:11 PM »
Guiltyguy,

You would not show symptoms is just 4 days.  Symptoms, if they show at all, would do so 2-4 weeks after infection.

You have had no risk for hiv infection, so relax.  And stop thinking that everything that happens to your body is hiv related.

Morgan
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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2006, 11:20:58 PM »
thanks Morgan

I know this is no relevant to forum...but wondering if licensed massage parlors in canada have hiv tests performed on their workers regularly....me again apologize...know its not relevant...but any comments will be thanked

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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2006, 04:50:35 AM »
Call them and ask.

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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2006, 09:29:35 AM »
thanks Rapid...

also one last question...

I observed a scratch on the top of my penis...this was because the lady did handjob and her nail scratched the circumsitioned layer of my penis...might be her nails....is this a possible HIV transmission ?

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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2006, 09:58:38 AM »
Guilty,

You did NOT have a risk of hiv transmission in anything you have brought to this forum, no matter what sort of spin you want to put on it or how many details you add.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2006, 11:13:45 AM »
thanks Ann...

Can I ask u all a question...this might be general...and not related to my exposure..

body rubs, mutual maturbation, fingering etc...do these make a person 'Sexually active'? and a person who restrains himself from having sex but do the above mentioned few go get tested regularly?

Thanks

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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2006, 11:59:16 AM »
Sexually active means, vaginal sex and anal sex. No, persons that get handjobs, body rubs, and mutual masturbation do not get tested. 

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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2006, 10:08:28 PM »
Thanks Rapid and Ann for being so patient...

One last question I have...this might be the last possibility....no twists and turns....

The lady I was with had very high body temperature....assuming she was goin ARS symptoms....what possibilities I have if:

1. I get vaginal fluids on my cut...coz HIV concentration will be so high!
2. if she gave me handjob...and she had sharp nails...so if it cut my penis somewhere....can Hiv spread like this?

I know me asked lot questions....but please answer these 2

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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2006, 10:10:30 PM »
Guitly,

YOU CANNOT CATCH HIV FROM A HAND JOB!

MtD

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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2006, 10:18:26 PM »
Hi Matty,
thanks...even if her nails sctrached my penis?...even if I fingered her with her viral load was at peak witha deep cut?

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« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2006, 10:20:44 PM »
Guilty,

This has gone far enough. You're just posting "what if's" now. We don't play the "what if" game with people. Your questions have been answered.

Move on.

MtD

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« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2006, 11:34:10 PM »
Hi Guys...

Please dont ban me....but i started getting lymph nodes now....am gettin crazy scared...

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« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2006, 12:42:37 AM »
Guilty,

If you feel unwell, see your doctor. We cannot help you any further.

MtD

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« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2006, 06:47:12 PM »
Hello All,

This might be a 'what if' question...but I am assuming it to be a valid question.....

While I was having some heavy body rub..the lady was on me...and i wasnt wearing any condom...since she was on me...i am completelt unaware now if my penis would have gone into her vagina...completely...may be for a minute...if that was the case should i get tested? and is it even possible for this to happen? please advice....

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« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2006, 07:29:38 PM »
Guilty,

You're grasping at straws now, but it's a slow day and I'll play along (briefly).

Assuming you did what I would consider the impossible, and inserted your unprotected penis into her vagina for a minute without knowing it (or, incredibly, without feeling it).  Your brief exposure would carry a very, very, very small risk of infection.  Hiv is a very fragile virus that does not easily infect, especially from a woman to a man.

You're really reaching here with these what-if scenario's and are looking a bit irrational in your fear of hiv.

If you find that only a negative test at 12/13 weeks post (non)exposure will allay your fears, then go get one......  it's your time and money.  Just don't be surprised when you're negative.

Morgan
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Re: i got hiv???...am so scared
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2006, 08:54:49 PM »
thank u so much morgan, MtD, Ann, RR...

so when it comes to ARS...when u say 2-4 weeks...does it mean starting from the 3rd week?

is 2nd week just TOO EARLY FOR ARS and u all say its IMPOSSIBLE to get it so early?!?!...coz I have sore throat, fever, swollen glands, muscle pains after the 8th day of exposure....so this is too early?

Thanks a lot for bein patient

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« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2006, 09:18:24 PM »
anyone plz :(

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« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2006, 09:20:18 PM »
Yes, that is to early.

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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2006, 12:19:10 AM »
Hi All,

Is a 9 day PCR DNA...any indication? they say 70% get detected in in 48 hours is that true?

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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2006, 12:19:55 AM »
i am aware that 28 days is conclusive...so is 9 days any good?

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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2006, 12:40:16 AM »
9 days is pretty useless. Six weeks is useful though. !2-13 weeks is conclusive. Seriously, if you are going to obsess over a fantastically small risk like you present in your scenario, the least you can do is utilize the science to prolong the agony.

Many, if not most people would not think to test over this incident. And as an HIV counselor, I would not recommend a test simply over such a brief and possibly imaginary slip. But it's really your call, one which I submit has more to do with your partner, and your guilt, than anything based on quantifiable science.

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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2006, 12:42:45 AM »
Hi John,
I was talkin abt the pcr DNA not the antibody....the antibody is 12-13 weeks...pcr-dna is 28 days right?

Am glad i got u to reply to one of my posts :)

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« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2006, 12:44:15 AM »
so a pcr-dna for 9 days not antibody for 9 days...any use?....

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« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2006, 12:59:42 AM »
Wait... you are thinking about getting a PCR test over this incident? Ack. Well, it's your money and your stress.

from our own LESSONS:

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Quantitative Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR): The quantitative PCR, also known as the viral load test, is considered to be highly reliable for someone who may have recently been exposed to the virus, particularly in a high-risk situation. If the virus is present, the quantitative PCR will reveal how much virus is in a person's bloodstream (the viral load). In most cases, a quantitative PCR is highly accurate within 48 to 72 hours. However, a small number of people don't have viral loads that are high enough to confirm a diagnosis until 28 days after exposure. The most widely available quantitative PCR test, Amplicor® version 1.5, can detect subtypes A through G, which account for 99.96% of HIV infections in the U.S.

The standard recommendation is that a negative PCR result be confirmed with an ELISA test at 13 weeks.

based on that info, which is absolutely up to date, you can probably find a physician who is willing to perform the test, for a fee, at this point. But honestly, I would never think to recommend such a thing over... well, such an event.

Your first post was pretty specific in that you were concerned over fingering. Now it seems to have changed to unprotected vaginal penetration... something that, please believe me, you would have felt and known.

however, like I say all the time, it would seem that this is guilt making your decisions for your rational brain. Please understand that choosing to let guilt dictate your actions is a slippery slope towards an irrational state of mind. You have the power to stop obsessing over HIV. It is not a punishment for sexual sin. It is a virus, with VERY specific modes of transmission.

You really are going to be OK... the moment you give yourself permission to do so.

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« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2006, 06:19:39 AM »
Guilty,

PCR testing is NOT approved for diagnostic purposes because they have a high rate of FALSE positive results. Do you really want to chance doing that to yourself? ANY result on a PCR STILL MUST BE CONFIRMED at the 12-13 week point, so you're really no further ahead. The PCR testing is expensive as well and I for one can think of better uses for that kind of dosh.

You didn't have a risk and you certainly should not be using PCR testing to determine your hiv status. Collect your negative ANTIBODY result at six weeks if you MUST test, and put this behind you.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2006, 06:10:37 PM »
thnx Ann and all...

btw John...dude....u r the best!

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« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2006, 10:55:20 PM »
Hi All,

I know I am asking too many questions....but am just trying to educate myself...

Though PCR DNA gives false positives...wont it be then reconfirmed with a WB test?

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« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2006, 02:15:49 AM »
Guilty,

Yes.  So why take a test that has to be reconfirmed later anyway.  That's why it's not approved for diagnostic purposes.

An ELISA antibody test at the appropriate time is the way to go (if you were at risk to begin with).

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« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2006, 05:31:30 AM »
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Though PCR DNA gives false positives...wont it be then reconfirmed with a WB test?

guilty,

The PCR test must be confirmed with ELISA and Western Blot. Why take the risk of having a false positive PCR? Just imagine what the stress will do to you. It's a waste of time and money since ANY result on a PCR MUST still be confirmed with ELISA testing.

YOU don't need ANY testing. You didn't have a risk. If you continue to come here to wring your hands over your no-risk event, you will be given a time out to help encourage you to get the face to face counseling you need to put this into perspective. Read the Posting Guidelines in the Welcome Thread - and consider yourself warned.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2006, 12:39:01 PM »
Hi Guys,

I am back...couldnt stay away for long...could u all plz help?

I had a pcr dna at 9 days after exposure...it came back negative...things started going away for the next 4-5 days...until yesterday evening...where everything spiked up all of a sudden....fever - 100, swollen glands, diahroea, nausea, rash...and currently hallucinating...not able to sit in front of the computer....

I was happy for 4 days and this starts soon after that...so now the virau...cAN it show up after 14 days and cause this..i am completely exhuasted...no appetite....

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« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2006, 04:33:29 PM »
perhaps i´m "hijacking" now, but check out my thread, it is very similar to yours and contains many calming facts.

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« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2006, 04:43:21 PM »
Gargamel, you're correct that is hijacking. 

 


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