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Offline Someone_help

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Messed up again!
« on: September 13, 2009, 03:52:39 PM »
Hi people, I am terrified because I think I have contracted HIV from a CSW. My potential exposure happened about 5 weeks ago. I stupidly visited this CSW from an ad I saw on the internet. From what I know she sees around 30-40 clients per-week. I have contacted the CSW and she claims she has no STD's. But, it is unlikely she would admit them to me.

I had unprotected oral and protected sex but the condom may have broke. After the incident I got trush and my penis was red and sore. Doesn't trush increase your chances of contracting HIV? Isn't it possible for HIV particles to be passed over with the trush bacteria? Also, since the incident I have every symptom under the sun. I know that symtoms mean nothing but this is just too weird. After 5-6 days I got ill for a few days. Then during week 3 I had terrible fatigue and general feeling of unwellness for 2 weeks. I developed a mouth ulcer (my first one ever) and swollen lymphs and joint pain in my neck, armpits, elbows and backs of my legs (knees).

I had a scare about a year ago when I indulged in unprotected sex but came out clear. At that time everybody in this forum and others like it were adament that oral sex carries 'zero risk'. So, i assumed having unprotected oral was safe and now i'm in the shit.

Whether oral sex carries a risk of 1 in 10,000 or 1 in a million, a risk is a risk and it should not be ignored. I have read a few peoples statments on this site who cliam to have been infected through oral sex.

The only positive from HIV is that it teaches people to value their life more! What hope does a hetrosexual male with HIV have? Die alone!

How reliable is a 4 week test?


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Re: Prepared for the worst!
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2009, 05:45:03 PM »
OK, you need to take some good deep breaths and chill out some. Essentially you are worrying needlessly about HIV. Nothing you did put you at risk for HIV transmission.

You used a condom for intercourse which is exactly what you should do everytime you have intercourse. If the condom had failed you would have known it. It's not a matter of teeny weeny little holes. The whole thing goes and ends up looking like a fringed hoop on your penis. So that didn't happen.

Oral is not a risk for transmission. No guy has ever become infected that way and it's safe to say you aren't going to make history by becoming the first.

As to your symptoms, that's something for you to discuss with your doctor. There is absolutely nothing in any way HIV specific about them. Thrush is not an HIV specific occurrence. Was it diagnosed by a doctor or are you just diagnosing yourself on that?

Based on what you have reported I don't see any basis in HIV science to think HIV is your problem.

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Re: Prepared for the worst!
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2009, 10:48:23 AM »
Thanks for the reply andy. I have massive respect for what you guys do in these forums.

I have a few other details to add - 1) I am uncircumsied, which I have heard increases the risk of HIV by 3 times. Also, I didn't wash after I had sex with the CSW.

This must have increased my chances of being infected. I get my 4 week results this week  :-\

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Re: Prepared for the worst!
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2009, 12:39:19 PM »
As Andy stated you did not have a risk..

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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2009, 01:25:16 PM »
Being uncircumcised only raises the risk for transmission if you have unprotected intercourse. As long as you always use a condom you will be well protected. And not having washed afterwards is also irrelevant when you have worn a condom.

You are worrying needlessly. Really.
Andy Velez

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Re: Prepared for the worst!
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2009, 04:29:23 PM »
It was because I had these symptoms that made me worry. I have received unprotected oral in the past and thought nothing of it. Plus I havent been ill all year, not even a mild cold. Then after this encounter I get ill. Maybe it was just a coincidence. Who knows?

But, thanks for your replies. I appreciate it  :)

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Re: Prepared for the worst!
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2009, 04:45:40 PM »
No matter what your mind and fears are telling you to the contrary, you did not have a risk and you have no cause for concern.

Discuss your symptoms with your doctor if they persist. It's not about HIV. Period.
Andy Velez

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do I need PEP?
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2009, 03:02:24 PM »
After have a recent scare from a oral incident I am now back with another oral 'incident'. I had protected sex with a promiscouis woman and unprotected oral. I was drunk and when she was performing oral on me (for a considerable amount of time) she was trying to force her tounge into my urethra. After she had been doing this for a few minutes I told her to stop, as it felt uncomfortable. During the encounter I made sure I had a condom on everytime we had intercourse even though she wanted to have unprotected sex. When I thought I had a condom on, I reached down and had a feel and I didn't actually have one on. I don't know if it come off during sex or if she took it off because she was masterbating me afterwards. I asked her if she took it off and she said no. Because I was drunk I don't know when it come off, from what I can remember it never felt like I was having unprotected sex. But, i'm unsure.

Will the fact that she was forcing her tounge down my urethra increase my chances of contracting HIV?  And because i'm not sure if I had unprotected sex with her or not should I consider going for PEP? This incident happened last night! 

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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2009, 03:14:02 PM »
I've merged your threads. Please follow our rule and keep all of your entries in this same thread.

You are worrying needlessly. As long as you consistently use condoms for vaginal and anal intercourse you will be well protected as far as sexual transmission of HIV is concerned.

No matter what spin you put on getting oral, it's not a risk for HIV. No guy has ever become infected from receiving oral. It's safe to say you won't make history by becoming the first.

So no, PEP is definitely not necessary in relation to your latest incident. Nor is testing necessary.

I will say it's not a good idea to have casual sex when you are drinking too much. That state makes it difficult to use good sense in terms of practicing safer sex.

Get on with your life. There's no cause for concern about HIV.
Andy Velez

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Re: Prepared for the worst!
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2009, 02:23:13 PM »
Andy, thanks for the reply. The reason i'm worried is because she was putting her tounge into my urethea.

But, if you insist that it is not a risk, I will move on.

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Messed up again!
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2010, 11:53:19 AM »
I wonder if I will ever learn. I keep having these risky encounters, I hate myself sometimes. Basically I had unprotected intercourse with a ex-herion user. I don't know if she was a user intravenous or not. I only found out after the incident when I seen a bottle of methadrone (unsure what the exact name was) she must have been using to help her come off it. She said she had been clean for about 6-7 months. I asked her if she injected but she said no, but then again she never told me she was a user. So, im unsure whether to believe her or not. I actually met this girl a few times (no sex) on dates and she never once said she was a ex-herion user. So, I dont know if she was being honest about if she was a IV user or not. I was very drunk and was using a condom until I stupdily decided to take it off and had intercourse for a considerable amount of time.

Nonetheless, the next day I was too hungover to be worrying about it. But, on the second day I got abit freaked out. I went to the hosptial and told them the deal and they decided that I met the criteria for PEP. I started it around 33-34 hours after potential exposure.

PEP is not a nice drug. I feel sickly all the time and have very little appetite. The doctor also gave me something for the nausea, which has helped a little bit. But, not much!

I understand that people will think I didn't really need the PEP but I just let the doctor decide.

This has given me a little taste of what it must be like living with HIV and it is not easy. Fingers crossed i'll be clear and hopefully finally i'll learn not to mix sex and alcohol.

What are my chances of being safe? Surely the longer you have unprotected sex the more your chances of being infected increase? I'm thinking about getting in touch with her and asking her but it's not a easy thing to do. Should I try and contact her because if she has been a ex-drug user i'm pretty sure she would have had blood tests done for this type of thing.

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2010, 12:09:30 PM »
I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread. It doesn't matter how long it has been since you last posted in your thread or if the subject matter is different. You've been told this before. Get with the program already!

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You need to wise up and stop having unprotected intercourse. One of these days your luck is going to run out.

You didn't really need PEP because hiv is much more difficult to transmit from a woman to a man. It's not impossible, but it's not very likely in a one-off incident. I do fully expect you to test negative - with or without PEP.

You need to test at the three month point - counting from the last day of your PEP. A test at six week post-PEP will be a very good indication of your status as the vast majority of people who have actually been infected will seroconvert and test positive by this time. A six week negative must be confirmed at the three month point but is highly unlikely to change.

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Re: Messed up again!
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2010, 02:47:09 PM »
I was unsure whether or not I needed PEP but the doctor decided I did. So, i'll complete the course. I just have a couple of further questions.

- Is it possbile to seroconvert while on PEP?

- Is there any point in me getting tested straight after completing the PEP course (which would be 4-weeks from the incident)?

- Is it possbile (in theory) to test positive straight after taking PEP? Or, will it always be atleast a few weeks?

I just want to know how reliable a test would be straight after PEP? A percentage is possible? I've heard a 4 week test without PEP is quite reliable.

I do realise it's probs very difficult to put a figure on something like this!

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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2010, 03:04:11 PM »
Someone,

It's unlikely but not impossible to seroconvert while on PEP. It's more likely to happen after PEP - that's why the window period is counted from the end of PEP.

As I told you yesterday, you should wait until six weeks post-PEP to test. There's no point in testing earlier.

Again, I really do not expect you to end up positive over this one time incident. Hiv transmission is difficult to achieve woman to man. I was with an hiv negative man for eighteen months before we discovered my hiv status - he tested negative despite all those months of having unprotected intercourse. I fully expect you to test negative too.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Messed up again!
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2010, 03:16:15 PM »
Thanks for the replies!

I spoke to a HIV specialist the other day and she told me that you can only become infected if a sufficient amount the of virus gets into you. Does that mean the body can mount an immune response against a small amount of the virus?

Also, it's been about 7 days since I started PEP and I've been getting a little bit of pain on the right hand side of my body (the liver area). Is this common? The pain isn't bad but it comes and goes. The doctor did mention that PEP can have adverse effects on the liver. What should I do?

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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2010, 06:44:43 PM »
Someone,

If you're worried, see your doctor.

I fully expect you to test hiv negative.

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2010, 07:15:01 AM »
So, ive been on PEP for 2 weeks now since my potential exposure (unprotected vaginal intercourse with a ex-IV drug user). Exactly 2 weeks since the incident I have developed a cold - sore throat, blocked nose. Not much of a fever and havent noticed and swollen lymph nodes. It is only a head cold, as generally I feel ok.

But, still exactly 2 weeks since the incident and I have had these symptoms. I thought it was unlikely I would have any symptoms because I am on PEP, which has had a pretty bad reaction on my skin. Either that or could it be ARS rash? My skin looks terrible, I'm developing little sports on my face. Is this a common side-effect of PEP?

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2010, 07:28:26 AM »
Someone,

It's cold and flu season here in the UK and there's plenty going around. PEP will not stop you getting colds or the flu.

Your rash is most likely related to the meds themselves. You need to talk to your doctor about this tomorrow. All hiv meds are capable of causing side-effects (symptoms such as rash or gastro-intestinal upset) in the first weeks/months of taking them. That's why PEP isn't recommended for an insertive partner unless the receptive partner is known to be hiv positive with a detectable viral load.

Nothing you report sounds remotely hiv related (other than in relation to the meds).

Ann
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2010, 11:04:19 AM »
Ann/Andy

I was advised over on Medhelp that I should test 13weeks after my last dose of PEP and that testing any earlier would be of no significance. I was considering testing around the 6 week mark but should I even bother now? How reliable would a 6 week post-PEP test be?

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2010, 11:19:13 AM »
That's correct. Your final testing point should be at 13 weeks after the completion of PEP. A negative at 6 weeks would be very encouraging and is likely to remain negative but is not yet conclusive. It's the 13 weeks test that will be definitive.

Cheers. 
Andy Velez

 


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