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Offline scaryharry

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massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« on: July 30, 2009, 10:08:16 AM »
hello.
i visited a massage parlour. i had nude body massage. the lady was naked and was sittin over my back. and massaging my back. i am afraid if her vaginal fluids could have touched my skin. coz i have quite a lot of pimples and scratchy skin on my back and buttocks.
at last she gave me a hand job with some oil.
am i at any risk. after one week, i am feeling bit strange in my armpits(right side only)
is this ars?

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2009, 10:12:14 AM »
It wouldn't matter how much of her vaginal fluids managed to get on to you. HIV is a fragile virus which is not transmitted in that manner.

The only confirmed means of transmitting HIV sexually are through unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse. Those provide the kind of receptive setting HIV requires for transmission.

You are worrying needlessly. There is no need for further concern or for HIV testing.

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2009, 10:20:27 AM »
thanks andy.. i was advised to test by a local general practioner..
i was very scared...
thanks a lot..
can i have regular sex with my wife?

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2009, 10:22:28 AM »
No reason not to you didn't have a risk.

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2009, 01:24:19 PM »
Unfortunately (very), many doctors are not as up on HIV as they ought to be. There is absolutely no need for you to get tested over this incident.

And yes, you can have sex with your wife without any concern about passing HIV to her. You can't pass what you don't have.

Cheers.
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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2009, 06:56:31 AM »
thanks andy and rapid rod..
one last question..
my sexual encounters so far (outside my marriage)

1. had protected sex with a girl (then tested after 14 weeks and was negative)
2. visited few massage parlour(just massage and handjob.. no sex .. no oral or fingering)

once during a massage the lady was giving a body rub.. she was rubbing her nude body(she was wearing a panty)  on me.. for 1 second she rubbed her vaginal area(with her panty on) over my penis..


do i have to be concerned about any of the above mentioned scenarios?

Thanks..

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2009, 07:55:46 AM »
Harry,

Sexually speaking, the ONLY true risk for hiv infection is UNPROTECTED anal or vaginal intercourse. You can forget about this other stuff you bring to us. You haven't been at risk.

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2009, 09:46:00 AM »
thanks Ann..
so if i take a test at 12 weeks... will that be negative?

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2009, 11:47:47 AM »
At no time were you at risk of contracting HIV.

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2009, 01:16:39 PM »
How much more clearly can we say NO RISK to you? If you decide to test it's strictly for your peace of mind. A negative result is a foregone conclusion based on what you have reported to us.

You need to get on with your life is what you need to do.

Really.
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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2009, 07:15:14 AM »
these are the only sexual encounters outside my married life..
thanks a lot andy for ur advise..
one general doubt.. i heard from my friends that some type of hiv can infect you when u touch the genitial of the person infected.. is that true?

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2009, 07:30:11 AM »
No it isn't true now move on.

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2009, 08:41:35 AM »
Listening to things like "what you hear" is not a good idea. We've given you the real deal here on your situation based in HIV-science. The idea of risk through simply touching someone else's genitals is nonsense.

Just get on with your life. Really.
Andy Velez

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2009, 04:58:40 AM »
hi guys.. today i went to a GP.. he examined my neck and throat.. he said that my throat is bit reddish and asked if i feel any soreness in throat.. but i didnt feel any sort of pain or discomfort.. also he measured my temperature.. it was 37.1 at that time.. he said i have mild fever.. and also said that my glands in neck are very mildly swollen..
does this sounds like typical ars?
but when came back to my house and measured my temperature it showed 36.8 ..
before going to see the gp, i had a cup of coffee. could that have caused the temperature to raise slightly?
and will the swolleng glands due to ars be visible to eye? coz.. i cant see any swelling in my neck glands area.. but the doctor pressed and did something.. then he told that it was very mildly swollen..

i also talked to him about my risk.. he said that it was very low.. and he
 didnt want me to test.. because he said that the risk was very low.. but he is not telling there was "NO" risk...

guys.. i need just one more opinion from you before i have sex with my wife tonight.. she has been pestering me for the past three days.. :(


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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2009, 05:34:42 AM »
hi andy and rapid rod..
even in the transmission lesson in this site.. it has been specified that "hiv can enter through cuts/sores in skin." ... please tell if this applies to my situation...
i feel very stressed and annoyed with myself.

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2009, 05:43:41 AM »
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2009, 07:31:02 AM »
sorry teak.. really sorry...
i will take your word.. i wont test or be anxious over this incident..

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2009, 08:22:07 AM »
You are worrying needlessly. If you had a freshly gaping cut and HIV+ blood or semen was pouring into it, that could be a theoretical risk. In the real world of HIV I've never known of a confirmed case of HIV transmission through a cut, bruise, nick or similar occurence.

Straying often kicks up a lot of anxiety. I suspect that is playing a significant part in your worrying these days. There's no need for testing. You should just get on with your life.

I'm also going to caution you that if you continue to return here about the same no risk incident everytime you have another burst of anxiety, you're going to end up getting a 28 day TIME OUT.

 
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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2009, 07:46:03 AM »
sorry andy.. i wont bother you guys here after.. i wil just update when i do a test. and post the results.
hope i wont get a bad result..

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2009, 09:26:41 AM »
guys.. a question regarding testing..
how long does it take to run a elisa test.. and will the lab ask people before performing western blot?


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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2009, 09:31:12 AM »
Scary,

Keeping in mind that you DO NOT NEED TO TEST OVER THIS MASSAGE INCIDENT, it all depends on what type of test is used. It can take anywhere from 20 minutes to two weeks. If the test is done through a blood draw where a few CCs of blood are deposited into a tube, they may or may not run a WB without telling you. Policies will differ from testing center to testing center, so you'll have to ask where you get your UNNECESSARY test done.

You're getting awfully close to that time out Rodney warned you about.

This is your last warning!

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2009, 09:05:14 AM »
got my two week test result.. NEGATIVE :)
thanks a lot guys..
but still.. i will post my 12 week test results as well..
till then.. everyone take care..

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2009, 09:10:58 AM »
How many times do you have to be told that you didn't have a risk and how many times are you going to ignore the warnings. I would imagine you won't be ignoring them anymore.

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2009, 06:09:28 AM »
hi. last question please..
is swelling of submental lymph node( under chin) alone is a cause for worry?
the node is less than 1 cm in diameter..(less than a pea) .. is it normal?

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2009, 06:26:20 AM »
scary,

If you're worried about your lymph node, see a doctor. Whatever is going on has NOTHING to do with hiv. You didn't have a risk for hiv as you've been repeatedly told.

I'm giving you that time out you've been warned about. Do not attempt to create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2009, 09:57:06 AM »
hello all.. can western blot test be done within 4-5 hours?

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2009, 09:58:40 AM »
i mean.. how long it takes to complete a western blot test.. how many hours?

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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2009, 10:28:44 AM »
scary,

A Western Blot test is only done when there has been a positive antibody test result. WB tests usually take at least a day for results. There is no rapid WB test.

You do NOT need to test with a WB unless you've had a positive antibody result. A WB is used to rule out false positive antibody results. If you want to know more about the various tests, read the Welcome Thread like you're supposed to and click on the Testing Lesson link.

You have NOT had a risk for hiv infection. You're still under a Time Out warning.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2009, 10:30:52 AM »
The western blot is only done when there has been an initial positive result to either confirm the positive or to correct it. If there is a positive Elisa and a negative western blot, it's the western blot result which prevails.

All of this is irrelevant as far as you are concerned because you haven't had any risk for HIV in anything you have reported.

Keep in mind that you're not going to be allowed to start a new round of questions, what ifs and all of that over your non-risk situation. You need to get on with your life. Otherwise you're going to be getting another Time Out or be banned from the site.
 
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frottage or dipping.. not sure.. :(
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2010, 08:22:20 PM »
hi guys.
i was trying to enter a woman's vagina without a condom. but since i could not achieve errection i could not enter her.
so she asked me to leave. but i was trying to press my penis on her vagina(over the opening). not sure if this is risky.

i have this question.

1. i am pretty sure i didnt enter her(as during a normal intercourse). but what is the risk if just a little of my penis just rubbed against her opening or just u know.. pressed in(for a split second may be).
please advise.

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« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2010, 08:43:00 PM »
Please keep all your thoughts questions and comments in your original thread. This helps us follow your story and give you the most accurate advice.

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2010, 08:51:04 PM »
I've merged your threads here. In the future don't start any new threads. All entries should be made in this one thread.

From what you have described of this latest incident I would not consider it to have been a risk. However, you need to decide if there was really any penetration or not. Even if there was it would have been a very low risk. If you decide to get tested just to be sure, then I would certianly expect you to test negative.

But what were you doing trying to have intercourse without a condom!!!!  We've told you repeatedly that unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse are the only confirmed means of sexually transmitting HIV. What good does it do for you to come here to learn if you don't apply what you learn in your sexual life? Condoms. Everytime. No exceptions and no stories please.

This time I don't see your incident as a genuine risk, but as I said you will have decide if penetration took place or not.
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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2010, 08:52:03 PM »
sorry matt..
this is is a new incident.. thats why posted as a new post..
please help.. :(

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2010, 08:55:25 PM »
thanks andy for the reply..
actually i didnt feel warm or anything like i entered her..
but.. i tried to push hard and even rubbed on her vagina for a while.
she said that i couldnt penetrate her..
so she asked me to leave.. but she said that the head was rubbing over her opening..
she said that my penis was soft and bending.. and the head was just pushing against the opening..

is that alright?

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« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2010, 10:22:57 PM »
I agree with Andy, I don't see a genuine risk here, but if you are concerned you should arrange an HIV antibody test 13 weeks from the date of this incident.

You should expect that result to be negative.

As Andy notes you were trying to have unprotected sex and it's that pattern of behaviour which should be concerning you. If you want stay HIV negative you should start taking safe sex practices more seriously.

MtD

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2010, 12:52:46 AM »
thanks matt..i will never ever do anything silly like this..
i will make sure that i use condoms..

and matt.. i just called that lady up(she is not a CSW). and i explained to her of my concerns. she was understanding and told me that she is very sure that i did not enter inside her. because my penis was not erect and it kept bending when i tried to push it in. and also i tried to push in like that only twice.

so, at the max the head should have been over the opening for a second or so.

does that sound risky?

please help.

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« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2010, 12:55:15 AM »
I'm sure she wasn't a commercial sex worker. Commercial sex workers almost always insist on condoms.

Andy and I have already explained to you that we don't think you were in any real danger of being infected with HIV. We don't think HIV testing is warranted from a strictly clinical viewpoint.

That said if it would give you peace of mind, go ahead and test 13 weeks from the date of this encounter.

MtD

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2010, 01:00:53 AM »
thanks matt.. really appreciate your advise.
will be careful here after..
i am very very fine if you guys feel that testing is not warranted.
its a lesson for me.
i will be careful hereafter.
i feel a huge weight lifted of my heart. thanks again mate.

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« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2010, 01:04:15 AM »
Take care Harry. Remember to have condoms and water based lube with you whenever you go fucking.

MtD

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2010, 01:17:52 AM »
sure matt.
will remember your words always.

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2010, 09:21:48 AM »
guys. i checked with australian aids council. they said that this is not a risk(as agreed by andy and matt)
any one else have any opinion...?

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Re: massage - possible vaginal liquids on skin
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2010, 10:00:36 AM »
ann.. please tell your opinion as well

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« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2010, 10:05:54 AM »
Harry, are you in the collecting reassurances business? You didn't have a risk.

What you are at risk for is collecting another Time Out for coming back here repeatedly when you have been told you weren't at risk. You are a sexually active adult. You need to apply the information that has been given to you as you continue on your way and not just come back here nervously every time you have sex. It's really quite simple. Use condoms consistently for vaginal and anal intercourse and you will be well protected as far as the sexual transmission of HIV is concerned.

Period.
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