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Offline jhon

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HIV Testing
« on: July 25, 2009, 01:41:25 PM »
My name is jhon. I have being going out with a girl recently. She works in a coffee place near my house.

We had a foreplay before safe sex/protected intercourse ,vagina,...

But this foreplay is the sticky point.. i need your help in evaluating the risk..
I was fingering her vagina for a while and then she gave me a blow job..
I came to know from pervious posts that fingering and blow job are no RISK situations.

But i made a frottage with her wet pussy. I am sure i have not entered her unprotected but you know, you never know how deep the frottage would have taken me..


Ann, Andy, Rapidrod just let me know the difference between the frottage and unprotected vaginal intercourse..

Thanks,
Jhon

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2009, 01:53:21 PM »
Jhon,

Frottage is the rubbing of two people's genitals together without penetration. Penetration is when you put your penis inside the other person's anus or vagina. You would be able to tell the difference.

Frottage is not a risk.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST OVER THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS YOU BRING TO US, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2009, 01:56:30 PM »
do you think any TEST is required in my case..
so can i start having sex with my wife ?

PS: sorry Ann, i forgot to tell you, my wife is back in my country.. i am sorry for cheating on her..
« Last Edit: July 25, 2009, 02:01:37 PM by jhon »

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2009, 02:05:20 PM »
Jhon,

Re-read my first reply to you. I already told you that you do not need to test for hiv - I even used bold print.

Although frottage is not a risk for hiv, it's a risk for some of the other, more easily transmitted STIs. Whether you have unprotected intercourse with your wife is up to you and how willing you are to put her at risk for something like herpes. If you have further questions about the other STIs, speak to your doctor. This forum concentrates on hiv.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2009, 07:11:04 PM »
I am so scared with this frottage incident..

My question this:
I know that i was rubbing against her pussy, i know that she was very wet there.. what would be chances of me making way into her vagina may be because she was wet and may be vagina was not that tight ..

if am just thinking if this frottage turned into intercourse accidentally :(

Andy, RapidRod have you gone through my case??

« Last Edit: July 27, 2009, 07:18:36 PM by jhon »

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2009, 07:40:58 PM »
jhon,

I can't possibly speculate as to whether or not you know where your own dick was. I rather doubt you would have penetrated her without knowing - but you should know your own dick and you were there, I wasn't.

If you can't let go of this, go test and collect your negative result. Don't think you'll be able to use this website to wring your hands over this no-risk frottage.

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2009, 08:53:17 PM »
Andy or RapidRod do you have any comments??

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2009, 08:54:42 PM »
Have nothing to add to what Ann has already told you.

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2009, 08:14:42 PM »
Hi,

I am unable to sleep properly with the doubt of HIV risk in my mind.
I have been exposed to the risk some 18 days back.. what is the kind of test i need to undergo..

Pls. throw some light on the test process i need to undergo
13 weeks looks like eternity for me.. would PCR testing do any good to me..
« Last Edit: July 29, 2009, 08:32:22 PM by jhon »

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2009, 08:41:58 PM »
No you don't use PCR testing.  Get an antibody test if you must. 6 weeks post exposure and if it's negative retest at 3 months for a conclusive result.

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2009, 09:43:09 PM »
Rapidrod i did not understand this
"Get an antibody test if you must"..
who will tell wether antibody test is must or not?
is this 6 week test the antibody test?

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2009, 07:38:41 AM »
Rapidrod.. this is like a torcher to me .. the thought of being subjected to risk..
13 weeks is eternity..

Will the PCR give a reliable answer.. i get away with money for the sake of peace of mind!!
Help me out buddy ..

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2009, 07:50:06 AM »
No! PCR-RNA is a supplemental test and has to be used in conjunction with an antibody test. PCR-DNA are monitoring tests used to monitor the progession of HIV in people KNOWN to be positive.

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2009, 08:07:35 AM »
jhon,

The reason PCR tests aren't recommended for hiv testing is because they have a high rate of FALSE positive results. How much peace of mind do you think you'd get from one of those?

Get a grip. You didn't have a risk. Test if you have to for peace of mind, but do yourself a favour and use a standard antibody test.

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2009, 08:26:41 AM »
Ann,

Would the 6 week antibody test conclusive enough..

as i was glancing through the previous forums,   you said that you have never seen a case where 6 week result has changed in the 13 week test

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2009, 09:08:03 AM »
Jhon,

A six week negative would be conclusive for you because you did NOT have a risk, as you've been repeatedly told. When there has been a risk, a six week negative must be confirmed at the three month point, but is unlikely to change.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline jhon

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2009, 06:57:05 PM »
Ann,
To be frank your repeated confirmation of "No risk" is bringing confidence in me..

But before i make a final call not to do the test,  I want one more chance to explain my case to you :

"On the day I had frottage with the girl,  the girl was very wet (god knows whether she was squirting!).. when i repeatedly rubbed against her pussy  there would be a chance that the front part of my penis would have touched or got stuffed into her vagina.. "

I know many ppl would have played hide and seek with the pussy .. but i myself is scared to death in this scenario..

PS : If you think i am misusing this post pls ignore this particular post of mine

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2009, 07:02:09 PM »
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2009, 08:28:49 PM »
You're really, really stretching here. It doesn't matter if she was dripping in vaginal secretions. Still not a risk. Including if the the head of your penis touched her vaginal lips.

As for it getting "stuffed" into her penis, nothing you have indicates that you actually had intercourse and inserted your penis into her.

So you are worrying needlessly.

Get on with your life. Really.
Andy Velez

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Re: Frottage Risk
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2009, 09:03:42 AM »
Andy,

If i  would have inserted into  her vagina will that be that obvious to me that i will immediatley realize..

this is relation to the "stuffing" question..
« Last Edit: July 31, 2009, 09:05:53 AM by jhon »

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« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2009, 09:17:36 AM »
Yes, you would know if your penis had been inside her vagina. The sensation is quite different from touching and rubbing.

You are worrying needlessly. And while I appreciate you are anxious, I can tell you that if you continue to come back here with new fears about this no-risk incident, you're going to get yourself a 28 day Time Out from the site.

This is not an HIV situation. Period. If you can't let go of your fears then having some conversation with a counselor or other professional might be helpful. We can't provide that kind of service in this setting.
Andy Velez

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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2009, 07:57:09 PM »
Hi,

I am planning to do an antibody test for HIV.
Pls. let me know how to approach the correct medical centre.

--------------------
One of my friends has taken "HIV DNA Early Detection Test" and he showed up negative in my sort of case.
After watching him my heart beat is going up again...

My incident happened 4 weeks back.. dayz are going so slow .. it is becoming to wailt 2 more weeks...

Regards,
Jhon
« Last Edit: August 05, 2009, 08:24:30 PM by jhon »

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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2009, 08:23:45 PM »
jhon,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.



How do you approach the testing center? You put one foot in front of the other until you reach the front door. Carefully open the door and enter the building. Continuing to put one foot in front of the other, you draw near to the reception desk. You then say - "I wish to be tested for hiv."  But don't worry, it's not as complicated as it sounds.

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Re: HIV Testing
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2009, 08:28:21 PM »
I am not that stupid !!!!!!!!!! :)

but what to do, this very thought of HIV is not letting me relax .. once I come from my work all my thoughts are over this.. though you repeatedly told me no risk..
I want to see the result as HIV Negative quickly and sleep with peace!..

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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2009, 08:31:39 PM »

I am not that stupid !!!!!!!!!! :)


Jhon,

I was giving that issue the benefit of doubt as you don't seem to have understood a single thing we've told you so far.

If you have to test for peace of mind, go ahead. Don't be surprised by your negative result.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: HIV Testing
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2009, 07:11:32 PM »
Hi Andy,

I have read in one of your forums that in order to contract HIV the penis should reach all the way to crevix of the vagina (sorry i dont know the exact name of crevix..)
1) Is it the same when the vagina is with squirt fluids

Can i use this fact to free up my mind of any possible risk

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Re: HIV Testing
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2009, 07:15:26 PM »
YOU DID NOT HAVE A RISK AND YOU DO NOT NEED TESTING. End of discussion.

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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2009, 07:19:18 PM »
i got it!

But i want this clarification for future frottage related incidents.. when i hang around next time, i will know far i can use my penis.. thatz it..

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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2009, 07:59:06 PM »
Andy, pls. answer my question..

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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2009, 08:12:54 PM »
The cervix is the far upper inner part of the vagina. It's not where your penis or fingers would be reaching nor would you be coming into contact with the secretions from the cervix.

Rubbing against vaginal lips does not in any way put you at risk.

You need to let go of this and get on with your life. You're on the verge of getting a time out here. 
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Re: HIV Testing
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2009, 08:30:02 PM »
Andy, I got hold of myself.. i am a NO RISK situation and i completely know about it.

My question is that i can insert unprotected for some part of the vagina, because anyhow i am not going to reach till crevix right..


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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2009, 09:58:13 PM »
 Use a condom....

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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2009, 10:44:58 PM »
Jhon,

I've given you that time out you've been warned about. Do not attempt to create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned.

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