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Offline BM

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Healthy eating vs supplements
« on: July 05, 2009, 12:21:41 PM »
What are people's thoughts on this? Personally, I favour a varied diet over supplements on the basis that "you only get what we know about in supplements".

Offline BT65

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Re: Healthy eating vs supplements
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2009, 06:06:48 PM »
BM, there have been many, many discussions on these boards on supplements.  Just do a search on it.  I believe it's better to get things from food, but I realize I don't get everything I need in the amounts I need from my diet, (which a lot of times is not the best).  I take a multi-vitamin, and also calcium plus D.  Others, who take a huge amount of supplements, will most likely chime in on what they think this one does and that one. 

I believe that, if you're thinking about taking supplements, you should definitely talk with your doctor first. 
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Re: Healthy eating vs supplements
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2009, 05:49:01 AM »
What are people's thoughts on this? Personally, I favour a varied diet over supplements on the basis that "you only get what we know about in supplements".

I don't see why it has to be one or the other.

It should be noted that maintaining healthy eating habits is hard for many. And what is healthy for one person may not be for another person. It's especially hard to figure out it you ever eat out - restaurants do not list the amounts of calories, let alone vitamins, on a menu. At least most of the food in grocery stores has labels you can read to help figure it out.

In comparison, supplements are somewhat easier to tailor to your own needs and take consistently - I take mine together with each meal, whether it's a healthy meal or not, and whether I eat at home or outside. There is no need for me to think about the minute details of my supplement regimen every day, like there is with food. That thinking happens mostly about once a year when selecting which supplements to take for the next year before ordering them.

Offline Luke

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Re: Healthy eating vs supplements
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2009, 06:28:56 AM »
Most people don't need to count calories, or analyse their nutritional intake in minute detail, in order to maintain a healthy and varied diet. It just takes a moderate amount of common sense.

With most nutrients, it is hard to overdose on intake from natural sources; but relatively easy to overdose on intake from artificial sources. Personally I would just stick to your multivitamin and restrict yourself to using other supplements to target identified deficiencies. 

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Re: Healthy eating vs supplements
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2009, 08:45:40 AM »

 ??? Diet first then suplements. Food today is stripped of proper nutrients and supplements seem a must but you have to study awful hard to get that correct, even with a multi vitamin/mineral. The percentages and doses of each brand differ a lot. One may make you feel great and another like you want to give up. Get to a nutritionalist that knows a beans about it and hiv and you'll do well. watch the herbs with medicine they are potentially deadly in rare cases. Also I heard of some holistic only 'dr.s' converting people seronegative to thats something to google but i wouldn't give up on the medication.
JP
p.s. Most 'western' Dr.'s aren't too keen on the alternative scene.

Offline risred1

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Re: Healthy eating vs supplements
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2009, 09:40:00 AM »
I still believe in the idea that using conventional recommendations for "normal" people, may not be the fit we are looking for as poz folks.

But then what to do?

In my mind, as one immune system is being depleted or exhausted by HIV, trying to counter act the metobolic side effects of HIV is its own discipline.

Truly, a high quality diet must be a preferred way to help deal with the effects.

But I also believe that it is the concept of what a high quality diet is, is just as worthy to debate as the use of supplements.

I would venture that using refined food products that contain Processed Flour and Sugars would be excluded with such a high quality diet.

Fats, well, one needs to understand which are the most beneficial vs. worse.

Protein sources? Vegetable or Animal? Dairy and/or egg products?

What about Organic?

Calorie intake?

I believe that much can be accomplished with diet. But, I was not able to maintain that level of enthusiasm for eating the way I should vs. the way I've learned to eat.

Plus I have concerns that isn't address by RDA or "deficiencies". In dealing with the fatigue I was going through with HIV, I depended on Gingseng, MSM, and 7 Keto DHEA, to keep my energy up so I could work.

i also believe there is a Pre Med and Post Men view one must take as ones needs, as mine seem to, shift after suppressing the virus.

Much of what we end up choosing to do is based upon intuition, spotty studies, folklore, and advice and ultimately what one believes.

Belief is a strong medicine itself. So all these things are in the end, choices we make for ourselves and often find it difficult to defend under scientific scrutiny, relying on "how we feel".

For example, after 30 days on meds I went and saw my doctor. He did not draw blood yet. As i went through how I was feeling and the tests I put myself through, such as going on a long ride for two days in a row and feeling good on the 3rd day instead of going through a very difficult 4 day recovery as I experienced earlier in the spring, his immediate response was, I have no scientific information to confirm your suspicions that the meds are working! But he also understood what i was saying. That going from a 4 day recovery to not really needing one is a significant shift in how I feel.

Essentially, he could see that I was feeling better. And he's experienced enough to know that regardless of the numbers, something good is happening.

In the end, my advice now is that largely we can ask questions about this subject, but often the answers are conflicted based upon our beliefs as individuals.

And what we end up doing is what we are already inclined or biased to do in the end.

Unless one is capable of making the life changes required, the minimum thought is supplement with a multi with minerals, and be tested for deficiencies that need to be addressed.

Specific issues for Inflammatory, metabolic, digestive issues can be addressed individually by a whole range of self or medical treatment. And can be investigated one at a time as your needs dictate.



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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Healthy eating vs supplements
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2009, 01:03:50 PM »
It just takes a moderate amount of common sense.

Common sense is in short supply on aidsmes.com, unfortunately.
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Re: Healthy eating vs supplements
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2009, 07:07:04 PM »
Common sense is in short supply on aidsmes.com, unfortunately.

hee
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Offline MarcoPoz

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Re: Healthy eating vs supplements
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 02:21:35 PM »
There have yet to be adequate suppliments made to replace important parts of my diet, such as:

-Homemade Cannoli
-Espresso
-Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia
-an "Irish car-bomb" or 2 ;-)
-Medium rare prime rib with sauteed mushrooms and garlic mashed potatoes
-Snickers bars at 3:00 in the afternoon
-Kibbee Nayee with raw onions
 ;)

 


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