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Author Topic: Shaving at barber place, cuts, pimples plucking and fever... very scared  (Read 4210 times)

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Offline Worried from India

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greeting to everyone, pls forgive my English. Following paragraphs can be long, but necessary to explain the everything what I am going thru:

Usually I go to barber place for shaving, threading. I also have pimples sometimes, which I used to pluck through an instrument at barber place.

In india, good barber shop usually follow the precautions by changing the razors or sterliing the instruments, but I live in an area which has not good barber shop and usually go about the businness without bothering sterlizing the instruments though they change the razor and sometime they don't (forgot or if in hurry, or if more customers are waiting).

While haviing shave or pimple pluck I never though abt sterlizing or changing blade (a bit careless from my part)

Recently on around april 20, i started to feel fatigue, after one week, i felt heat Dissipating from the body, the kind of sensation i never felt in my life before,  also I started loosing weight rapidly, that never happens before, I also had minor nasal congestion and sneazing, I went to the doctor, prescribed some anti-bio. Because these are unusual sensations, i scared of caching other deseage so took test for CBC, Hep A/B, Typhoid, Malaria, all came back Neg.

in the subsequent days fatigue continued, and body started getting warm on and off. on May 10, I became very week, my body continued to be warm,when I touch my forehead I can sense, I became  so week, i called up my relatives, they took me to the doctor, where I got the glucose bottles for two days, following week I started to recover, but on and often, body gets warm and then return to normal.

I though abt having Viral Infect, so searched on the Net, read that acute hiv casues these kind of symptoms, I got scared, though abt barber place incidents.  Got tested for HIV at 9th week with CBC, HIV test done using EIA method and came back negative.

Felt relieved but when I read that one should wait at least 12 month for conclusive results, made me nervous, I am going to have test after 12 month, but took CBC to check blood count status found some abnormalities which am putting down at the end of this post.

My question is to am i at risk? does my symptoms indicate hiv infection ? how long one should wait for conclusive HIV result ?

If any one can explain me exact symptopms of primary HIV infection, because  the kind of symptoms I had, I never expereinced it in my life before, though I had viral infection in the past (2 or 3 in whole life, m 32 yr old), but they got resolved within 1 week or 2 at max.

Below are the CBC test I took, does this indicate any kind of HIV infection, pls tell me, I am scared for second HIV test after 12 week, what if it came back posiitive:


20 May:
RBC Count     : 5.18
Haemoglobin   :  15.0
Packed Cell Volum  : 45.2

Total WBC :      9400 cumm
Neutrophils:     65.5
Lymphocytes :  24.5
Eosinophils   :  0.6

16th Jun:

RBC Count     : 4.85
Haemoglobin   :  13.8
Packed Cell Volum  : 41.6

Total WBC :      8000 cumm
Neutrophils:     48.2
Lymphocytes :  39.1
Eosinophils   :  3.2



02 Jul:

RBC Count     : 4.82
Haemoglobin   :  13.7
Packed Cell Volum  : 41.6

Total WBC :      8700 cumm
Neutrophils:     53.6
Lymphocytes :  35.2
Eosinophils   :  2.5



Pls help me friends and pray for me, thanks for a lot.

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Worried,

Unless you've been having unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse you haven't told us about, you haven't been at risk for hiv infection. Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse where the virus never leaves the confines of the two bodies.

Hiv is NOT transmitted from objects in the environment, including barbers' tools. Not one person has ever been infected this way and you won't be the first.

We do not discuss symptoms here because symptoms or even the lack of symptoms means nothing when it comes to hiv infection. Only testing will reliably inform you of your hiv status. YOU only need to test if you are sexually active.

Your CBC blood results are also meaningless when it comes to hiv. I've had hiv for over twelve years and my CBC results are always in the normal ranges. You can't find out you hiv status by looking at your CBCs.

You haven't had a risk and you do not need to test. If you feel unwell, see a doctor. It's nothing to do with hiv.

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Offline Worried from India

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Thanks Ann, glad to see your reply, m feeling a bit relaxed now,

I m going to test after 12week (in the post, i incorrectly mentioned 12month) but when it comes to HIV, even a minor exposure and symptoms will make one nervous when u get to know the risk.  

I have not been sexually active, never visited to any CSW, but what worrying me most is the cuts i usually get at the barber place because of my rough skin and considering the associated risk of infection.  Mumbai is having the largest infected person in India and I never know what if barber shaved someone infected and applied the same razor on me or plucked the pimples using same instrument.

Researchers says there is a risk although minimum but it is there, while browsing through the net, i came to know that in one of the prison cell in India one person got infected because residential barber was using the same razor to shave.  What if m belongs to that risk group..?

There might be other people infected by this way, but they never came forward because of stigma associated with HIV, and it might not be possible for reasearcher to track those peoples.

I had cuts few months back and before, and symptoms are like never experiened before, in addition to what I mentioned in the post I also experienced minor itching at genital parts, had small ulcer on the lower lip, had white coated tongue, so these are making me nervous and  thats why I asked what kind of symptoms person experience at the time of hiv infection or may be at advanced stage.

M really trying to concentrate on my work, but I couldn't, its really making me nervous. M am taking the test just to make sure, hope HIV  results should come back negative.

« Last Edit: July 03, 2009, 11:45:59 AM by Worried from India »

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Ann's given you the real deal on your concerns. I can't count the number of barbershop, shaving, haircut and beauty parlor incidents I've known of and not a single one ever resulted in HIV transmission.

It's a fragile virus and it simply is not transmitted in that manner. Your negative test result is a certainty. You're wasting your money but if you need it for peace of mind, then go ahead and collect the inevitable negative result.
Andy Velez

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Researchers says there is a risk although minimum but it is there, while browsing through the net, i came to know that in one of the prison cell in India one person got infected because residential barber was using the same razor to shave.  What if m belongs to that risk group..?

There might be other people infected by this way, but they never came forward because of stigma associated with HIV, and it might not be possible for reasearcher to track those peoples.


Worried,

NO. Researchers say it's a theoretical risk, not minimal. It's also a theoretical risk that a metorite is going to fall on your head the next time you walk outside, but is it going to happen? NO.

People claim they got infected through a razor because of the stigma attached to getting it though having sex. That doesn't make what they claim true. I'm quite sure it was never proven that some guy got infected in prison through the barber. He was probably afraid to admit to having sex in prison.

We don't talk about symptoms here because they're meaningless. Many people never even have symptoms of hiv infection. ONLY hiv antibody testing will reveal your hiv status.

Test if you want, but don't be surprised by your negative result.

You will not be permitted to use this forum to go on and on about your NO RISK concern or your symptoms. Make sure you read our posting guidelines found in the Welcome Thread. If you feel unwell, see a doctor. It's nothing to do with hiv.

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Offline Worried from India

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Thanks Ann/Andy.

This is my last post, hopefully will post again once I will receive the results. Today I browsed through mnay post on this site and came to know many thing about hiv and its transmission and now feeling relaxed.

This forum is great for people to learn about hiv and prevention and also to know  how to live life happily & healthy even if infected.

Thanks a lot.

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You're welcome. Now get on with your life.
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Offline Worried from India

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Freaking out...must have infected my fiance...pls help
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2009, 11:53:59 PM »
Hi Ann/Andy

Sorry to posting again, but the current situation is freaking me out,

2 days before when i called up my fiance she reported about having rash on her hand, shoulders, thighs, these were like little raised and red in color, they appear suddenly and disappears after 5-6 hrrs and re-appear again on other parts of the body,  this continued for a week.

she also reported about having fatigue and said she was feeling tired. also said at evening time she started to sneeze and developed nasal congession. I asked if she is having fever, said no. She said these kind of symptoms she never had in her life. now she dont have any rashed but feels kind of tired.

Based on her symptoms I am sure it all started around 6-7 weeks ago when I went to meet her, she is living in another city, we went to movie where we kissed each other, it was a deep open mouth kissing, we kissed 4-5 times during 2 hr and each kiss lasted abt 10-15 mins , and at that time I  just started to have the symptoms as I reported earlier,  Next day again we went to movie and kissed, we never had sex, as we just going to marry in next six month and it is an arrange marriage so sex before marriage is no.

These thing are freaking me out again and i started to feeling guilty I might have infected her, everyone saying kissing is a no-risk activity but what about the unusual symptoms, timing, it is not only me even she is having these unusual symptoms,  doctors says Viral load is very high during primary HIV infection, i must have infected her.

Now i m very scared, think what if test results are positive, how would i tell her, my family, in india having HIV is entirely different than having any other deseasge. My life will  have no meaning if i tested positive.  How would I tell her to go for test she could also be infected, i m crying,  just thinking about this. I assured my self that if only i am infected I would tell her to marry someone else, but now how to deal with the situation. I dont know what to do.

PS:
I have decided to use Voluntary Counseling and  Testing Center's for counseling before testing to clear all my doubts ab8 HIV.  and in-case tested positive (m sure this wont be d case, just the symptoms of mine and fiance worrying me) wanted to be with the counselor to deal with the situation.
Going for test on 10th july. Wish me luck.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2009, 12:27:48 AM by Worried from India »

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Worried,

Don't be surprised when your hiv test comes back with negative results. You have NOT had a risk. Kissing is not a risk either, so forget about that.

Feel free to report your negative result when you get it, but don't bother coming back here to list more symptoms - you'll quickly be given a time out.

Please consider yourself warned.

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Shaving at barber place, cuts, pimples plucking and fever... very scared
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2009, 02:34:35 PM »
Hi Ann/Andy

I just got my test result, it was done approximately after 12th week since the barber incident took place, and it came back "Negative", thanks Ann/Andy and everyone for your support and encouragement.

However, because of type of symptoms of mine and fiancee and the timing I m little worried, so I decided for DNA PCR test, will receive on next week. M sure it too will Negative, jus for peace of mind, i did the test.

will post about the results soon.

Thanks everyone.

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Re: Shaving at barber place, cuts, pimples plucking and fever... very scared
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2009, 03:14:48 PM »
Worried,

DNA PCR tests are NOT approved for diagnostic purposes, because they are prone to false POSITIVE results. If you get one of those, don't even bother coming here to fret about it. ANY result on a PCR test must be confirmed with an antibody test. You've already had the negative antibody result at the appropriate time (and you never had a risk to begin with) and it is conclusive. YOU DO NOT HAVE HIV, regardless of what sort of result you get on your DNA PCR.

You're one stop closer to a time out. Keep posting about this NO RISK incident with a CONCLUSIVE NEGATIVE RESULT and you'll be given that time out you've been warned about.

THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING!

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Shaving at barber place, cuts, pimples plucking and fever... very scared
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2009, 09:46:36 AM »
Hi Ann/Andy and everyone,

Today I got my DNA PCR test for HIV1 & 2, and it says 'NOT DETECTED',  test is done approximately after 13th Week.

Thanks again everyone for your support and encouragement, I am really feeling completely relaxed.

This forum has really helped me and is very helpfull for everyone having suspected HIV infection.
 
I've learned many thing during this 3 month period, I just want to re-iterate what Andy always says:

"Neither the presence nor the absence of symptoms will ever tell you anything accurately about your HIV status. Only an HIV test at the right time can give you a reliable answer."

Having said that, its not easy to stay relaxed, if you have any UNUSUAL & STRANGE symptoms, so its better to go and get tested at right time.

Thanks everyone.




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Re: Shaving at barber place, cuts, pimples plucking and fever... very scared
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2009, 10:16:33 AM »
That's no surprise about the negative result. Good luck to you and get on with your life.
Andy Velez

 


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