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Offline Sillywilly98

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I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« on: July 01, 2009, 09:19:29 PM »
How did they come up with 3 months, is it truly based on tests done. Im scared that my 3 months is not good enough and worry to test at 6 months. I mean where is the proof that people that need testing to 6 months are weakened immune individuals.
I hope there is someone knowledgeable here who knows the facts not opinions.

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Re: How is the 3 month rule defined
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 09:21:39 PM »
It's been three months since 2004. The manufacture and the FDA sets the testing guidelines.

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Re: How is the 3 month rule defined
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 09:24:17 PM »
Yea but how did they come up with this? What is the reason behind it.

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Re: How is the 3 month rule defined
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 09:40:38 PM »
By testing..

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Re: How is the 3 month rule defined
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 09:59:59 PM »
that doesnt make any sense, do you mean testing the test? You are vague.

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Re: How is the 3 month rule defined
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 10:02:01 PM »
Yes by testing the tests. Now if you don't have a concern about a risk you had then move on.

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Re: How is the 3 month rule defined
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2009, 05:42:22 AM »
Silly,

The vast majority of people who have actually been infected will seroconvert and test positive by six WEEKS, with the average time to seroconversion being only 22 days. The three month window period exists to catch the RARE person who takes a little longer than six weeks to test positive.

How do we know this? Years of experience. Years of people being tested and their results not changing after six weeks or so, and not changing at all after three months.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple. Unless you were having unprotected intercourse, you were probably worrying over nothing anyway.

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I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2009, 10:56:41 AM »
I want to get on with my life for sure but keep seeing the CDC 3% can take longer than 3 months. And then in response i see that everyone is very quick to say well its only for people on chemo, iv drug use, organ transplant (from the drugs used) but cant seem to find a root source of where this info has derived from. Can someone give this info with website or from where this actually came from would be super helpful right now.


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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2009, 11:00:00 AM »
Your questions will not be answered until you return to your original thread. Take the time and read the posting guidelines.

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2009, 11:07:27 AM »
Ive read and dont see squat teak, why is it i cant find this information, does it even exist?

It leaves large doubt on that theory, if it was so easily accessible i would have found it by now other than on aidsmeds (by you) or looking at medhelp (again by you), Seems like this info only comes from you, you arnt a doctor by any chance?

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2009, 11:09:45 AM »
Under user top left, under your name, click show own posts.

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2009, 11:15:49 AM »
I looked and reviewed it, there is still nothing that answers my specific question.

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2009, 11:16:24 AM »
silly,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.


If you don't believe us when we say that three months is conclusive, then go test again if that's what it takes. I've yet to see a six week negative change, much less a three month negative.

You've never mentioned why you think you were at risk for hiv infection in the first place. Unless you've been having unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse, then you're most likely worrying over nothing.

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2009, 11:19:03 AM »
Teak? A troll from MedHelp... MOVE ON.

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2009, 11:22:25 AM »
Sorry about not keeping to one thread, My risk was oral with bisexual male consumption of semen, saw the risk was 1 in 10,000 and test multiple times with couple different labs. I tested with Lab corp 2 different times one at 6 weeks and one at 10 weeks. Then i took rapid test at clinic, and last test was 12.5 weeks (87 days) at Quest Diagnostics, ALL were Negative. I have an irrational fear of it really not being negative i think. For one dont even know what Genereation test i took, the damn labs would not tell me!! Is it a standard generation used through out the USA now for which generation test is performed??

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2009, 11:25:07 AM »
A troll from MEDHELP???  So because of my state of mind its not likely for me to scour the web from various websites that i have by the way, i know you use the same PIC on medhelp and the same here and give same responses, doesn't mean im a troll. I take great offense as im seeking help not ridicule which i could do without, if you are here just to start trouble im not looking for it, im sure you can find trolls back in MEDHELP as you state.

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2009, 11:29:47 AM »
Silly,

Unless your oral health is absolutely terrible, you weren't at risk. It's no surprise you tested negative. You can test all you like over this and your result will not change. You do NOT have hiv.

Not only did you not have a risk, but you have also tested conclusively hiv negative, even if there were a risk.

If you read the posting guidelines like I asked you to, you will have read the following:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Please consider yourself warned.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2009, 11:31:51 AM »
Thats fine i can respect that but may i ask one last question and i shall peace out? If not that is fine as well.

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2009, 11:42:48 AM »
Thats fine i can respect that but may i ask one last question and i shall peace out? If not that is fine as well.

As long as it's not a rehash of questions you've already asked.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2009, 11:47:59 AM »
What generation test did i happen to take from my one at 12.5  week test?? I did try and call and ask the lab(quest diagnostics) and would not disclose/prob didnt know what generation test it was. I dont know if most or all elisa tests use at least a certain generation test or what, im sure you prob know.

And lastly was that a good test to take (regardless if it was no risk, pretend i did have one lol).

Thanks no follow up responses will come from my little fingers =)

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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2009, 12:11:43 PM »
Silly,

At twelve weeks, it doesn't matter what generation test was used. They're all conclusive at that point.

And to try to beat you to the next question - the window period in the US, according to the CDC, is thirteen weeks. However, in the UK and most other developed nations, the window period is twelve weeks, using the same tests made by the same companies as in the US. The difference is one of how one defines a quarter of a year. Each quarter has thirteen weeks, but three months is still, technically, twelve weeks. There are actually thirteen four-week months in a year. To differentiate between twelve and thirteen weeks is hair-splitting.

The bottom line for you is - you are conclusively hiv negative, no matter what generation antibody test was used, regardless of whether or not you actually had a risk, which you did not.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED FURTHER TESTING AT THIS TIME, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

You don't have hiv. Make sure condoms are being used for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2009, 12:27:22 PM »
i know i said i wouldnt respond but i just wanted to say thanks for really explaining things, and no i wasnt gonna ask about the 12 vs 13 weeks lol, I covered the inbetween by taking at 12.5 hahahahaha. Anywho thanks for the information regardless i will very very very much try and move on from this. PEACE.

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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2009, 12:34:56 PM »
Silly,

Yes, please do take the information given you on board and move on.

You don't have hiv and you're still under a time out warning.

Peace to you too.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2009, 10:05:53 PM »
I had recently actually recieved my results via email and noticed a couple things...They said

In Range               Out of Range               Reference range
Non reactive                                           Non reactive


Does this actually mean Negative??



And lastley the type of test it says was.......

HIV AB, HIV  1/HIV 2, EIA
W/REFL TO HIV 1WB
HIV 1/2 EIA AB Screen.
What generation test does that indicate right there?? The guy said that they dont use generation test anymore, (dont know what that means)

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2009, 10:20:13 PM »
Rapid Rod do you know?

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2009, 10:49:49 PM »
Can someone please touch on this please. Anyone?

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2009, 06:42:15 AM »
Silly,

Non-reactive means NEGATIVE. You do not have hiv.

Why would you? You did NOT HAVE A RISK!

And you're still under a time out warning. It's time you let this go and got on with your life.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2009, 10:16:03 AM »
I know its Prob all mental at this point but i would truly like to know what generation test that was? PLEASE. I know its a standard test but i want to know because the place i got it done at says they are up to date and if they are not i want to cause a stink if it isnt.

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2009, 10:51:49 AM »
You want to know, call where you had the test done and ask them.

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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2009, 10:56:29 AM »
I spoke to the doctor and the lab and both said "we only use up to date testing and we dont use generations anymore" I was like Okkkk..... So thats why i came here again. I search online for info on this but come up with a mismatch of information about Quest Diagnostics testing, they offer so many tests. All i do know for sure is what i posted on here for what test it looked for


HIV AB, HIV  1/HIV 2, EIA
W/REFL TO HIV 1WB
HIV 1/2 EIA AB Screen.

Dont know why they dont know this info.

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Re: I have looked pretty much everywhere!
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2009, 11:14:22 AM »
Move on. 

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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2009, 11:14:41 AM »
Silly,

The generation of test used is NOT RELEVANT. Even if a first-generation test was used, you would still be conclusively hiv negative.

You obviously still do not understand the issue that actually IS relevant to your situation - YOU DID NOT HAVE A RISK FOR HIV INFECTION.

I'm giving you that time out you've been warned about. Do not attempt to create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned.

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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