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Offline Luke

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #150 on: July 23, 2009, 07:13:59 AM »
I can't believe this thread is still going. The phrase "beating a dead horse" comes to mind. ::) ;D


Don't you mean "beating a Madame Tussauds waxwork horse"?

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #151 on: July 23, 2009, 07:25:34 AM »

Don't you mean "beating a Madame Tussauds waxwork horse"?


hehehe... yep, guess that's more appropriate!
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #152 on: July 23, 2009, 08:28:07 AM »
Topic: Michael Jackson dead at 50?

I think by now the question mark can be edited out of the title of this topic.  ::)

I thought the question mark was there because while he was born 50 years ago most of his body parts were a lot younger.  :D
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #153 on: July 23, 2009, 09:31:09 AM »
I can't believe this thread is still going. The phrase "beating a dead horse" comes to mind. ::) ;D

Uh, please Oh Bitter One -- this is a celebrity criminal (probably) investigation and thus VERY IMPORTANT.

Don't you have someone else's food to pre-chew?
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #154 on: July 23, 2009, 10:16:34 AM »

Uh, please Oh Bitter One -- this is a celebrity criminal (probably) investigation and thus VERY IMPORTANT.

Don't you have someone else's food to pre-chew?


Oh Sweetheart, I'm not bitter. Twisted, maybe, but not bitter.

I've never had much time for Michael Jackson, but I wouldn't wish murder on him either. On the other hand, the whole thing is getting rather tired.

As for pre-chewing someone else's food, naw, I gave that up in my New Year's resolutions back in 1999.

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #155 on: July 23, 2009, 10:44:25 AM »


  You know Joe Jackson never pre chewed any food for Michael........you can just tell, he has that look about him.
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #156 on: July 23, 2009, 11:52:08 AM »
Everytime I see the name Joe Jackson I think they are talking about the musician.

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #157 on: July 23, 2009, 12:47:14 PM »
Uh, please Oh Bitter One -- this is a celebrity criminal (probably) investigation and thus VERY IMPORTANT.

Don't you have someone else's food to pre-chew?

LOL

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« Reply #158 on: July 23, 2009, 04:28:26 PM »
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #159 on: July 23, 2009, 09:04:09 PM »
and I'm just eating it up like a Dipravan and Xanax sandwich and I'm going back for more. For the past 2 weeks I've been watching the screaming heads Nancy Grace and that other broad that's on right after her Jane something-another. I can't stand her but I'm as addicted to the gossip like MJ was to Demerol.
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #160 on: July 23, 2009, 10:02:48 PM »
I'm as addicted to the gossip like MJ was to Demerol.

Isn't that what we all really want-drama? ;)
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #161 on: July 24, 2009, 06:37:50 PM »
Well I'm listening to the music and, um, after Thriller album, a few gems but....music superstar genius of all times....?   Pretty damn cool as a young man though.
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #162 on: July 24, 2009, 09:30:43 PM »
I've got the Number Ones cd and love all the songs. It is sad that he is gone. I love Michael. I just can't help get absorbed in all the drama.
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #163 on: July 27, 2009, 09:39:18 PM »
***BREAKING NEWS***

Report: Jackson's Personal Doc Gave Deadly Shot
Law Enforcement Official Reportedly Says Dr. Conrad Murray Administered Deadly Dose

By LINDSAY GOLDWERT and SHEILA MARIKAR
July 27, 2009

Michael Jackson's personal doctor administered the final, deadly shot of the anesthetic propofol that would end his life, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

Dr. Conrad Murray was with Jackson when he died June 25 at his California rental home and has been identified in court papers as the subject of a manslaughter investigation.

Edward Chernoff, an attorney for Murray, declined to comment on the report.

"We will not be commenting on rumors, innuendo or unnamed sources," the lawyer said in a statement posted on his Web site.

Murray, Jackson's personal physician hired to monitor the entertainer for his planned "This Is It" tour, was called to Jackson's house June 24 and was the person who found him unconscious, not breathing in bed the next day.

Murray's lawyers have maintained for weeks that the doctor was simply a witness in Jackson's death and had nothing to do with it.

Murray has been widely criticized by medical professionals for waiting more than 30 minutes to call 911 and for performing CPR on a bed instead of a hard surface, but he has continually denied giving Jackson any drug that could have killed him.

He has been secluded at his Las Vegas home and reportedly goes out with a security detail due to death threats.

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #164 on: August 24, 2009, 06:37:12 PM »

I guess this means the concert promoter's insurance will kick in.
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #165 on: August 24, 2009, 09:13:07 PM »
Court Papers Show Jackson Died of Propofol

By SOLOMON MOORE
Published: August 24, 2009

LOS ANGELES — Lethal levels of a powerful anesthetic caused Michael Jackson’s death, according to preliminary coroner findings cited in Texas court documents unsealed Monday.

The documents, a pair of search warrants and affidavits filed by the police in July to search the Houston office and storage unit of Dr. Conrad Murray, Mr. Jackson’s private doctor, provide the most detailed evidence against Dr. Murray by the Los Angeles Police Department and the Drug Enforcement Administration.

The police told judges in Texas and Nevada that they suspected Dr. Murray of manslaughter, according to documents filed there.

According to the warrants, Dr. Murray told investigators that he had administered an intravenous drip of 50 milligrams of propofol, an anesthetic, to Mr. Jackson nightly for six weeks before the singer’s death at his Holmby Hills home to help him sleep. Dr. Murray also administered lorazepam, an anti-anxiety drug that can be addictive, and midazolam, a muscle relaxant, to treat Mr. Jackson’s insomnia.

The chief coroner for Los Angeles County, Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran, indicated that his preliminary assessment of the cause of death was due to a lethal dose of propofol, according to the court documents. They also describe how Dr. Murray administered propofol and other drugs, including Valium, on June 25, the day Mr. Jackson died.

“After approximately 10 minutes, Murray stated he left Jackson’s side to go to the restroom,” the documents show. “Murray stated he was out of the room for about two minutes maximum. Upon his return, Murray noticed that Jackson was no longer breathing.”

Dr. Murray said he tried to resuscitate Mr. Jackson and administered flumazenil, a drug to reverse the effects of the sedatives in his system, and then called Mr. Jackson’s personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, for help. Mr. Williams called Mr. Jackson’s security detail while Dr. Murray asked the singer’s chef to send one of his sons upstairs to the bedroom as he continued cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Dr. Murray waited about 82 minutes before anyone called paramedics to the home, according to the court documents.

Investigators said Dr. Murray did not initially tell paramedics or doctors that he had given Mr. Jackson propofol.

Mr. Jackson was eventually taken to University of California Los Angeles Medical Center, where he died. Medical experts said Monday that the combination of drugs Mr. Jackson was given would have exacerbated the effect of the propofol.

Drugs like lorazepam and Valium have the effect of slowing a person’s breathing.

“If you are going to put on top of that some propofol, you are not only standing on thin ice, but starting to jump up and down on that ice,” said Dr. John F. Dombrowski, director of the Washington Pain Center. “If you don’t have someone who knows how to manage respiratory depression, you’re going to die.”

The documents indicate that Dr. Murray tried to revive Mr. Jackson with flumazenil, which reverses the effects of benzodiazepines like lorazepam. But “there’s no drug that reverses propofol per se,” said Dr. Robert R. Kirby, an anesthesiologist.

And waiting 82 minutes to call 911 was inexplicable to medical experts. “Lord, no; you’d call right away,” Dr. Kirby said.

Investigators said they found numerous bottles of medications prescribed by various doctors at Mr. Jackson’s bedside and throughout his living quarters.

Dr. Murray said that he was not the first doctor to administer propofol to Mr. Jackson, that he suspected Mr. Jackson was addicted to the drug and that he tried to wean him off of it, the documents state. Dr. Murray told the police that the singer referred to propofol as his “milk.” On the day he died, Mr. Jackson was unable to sleep and, after repeated demands, the doctor administered propofol in an IV drip.

Investigators also interviewed Cherilyn Lee, a nurse who described how Mr. Jackson asked her to obtain propofol for him.

“He stated he would pay her or another doctor whatever they wanted for it,” according to the affidavit. Ms. Lee told investigators that she refused.

On June 1, Mr. Jackson’s bodyguard called to tell her Mr. Jackson was ill.

“She heard Jackson in the background saying, ‘One side of my body is hot, and the other side is cold,’ ” according to the affidavits. Ms. Lee told investigators that she told the bodyguard he should go to the hospital.

Dr. Murray was a cardiologist in Houston, Las Vegas and Los Angeles for 20 years. Earlier this year, AEG, an event promoter and stadium operator, hired him to be Mr. Jackson’s personal physician during a planned series of 50 concerts in London, for a monthly salary of $150,000.

A special agent with the Drug Enforcement Administration, which investigates prescription fraud, said records showed that despite the discovery of bottles of propofol at Mr. Jackson’s home, Dr. Murray “never ordered, purchased nor received any propofol.”

Dr. Murray told investigators that Mr. Jackson obtained propofol from various sources, including two unidentified doctors in Germany and an anesthesiologist in Las Vegas.

Mr. Jackson’s relatives and associates have said the singer used several aliases to obtain prescription drugs.

Public records show that Dr. Murray was in serious financial trouble before he became Mr. Jackson’s doctor, facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in debts and liens and a Las Vegas home in foreclosure proceedings.

Ed Chernoff, a lawyer for Dr. Murray, said in a statement Monday: “Much of what was in the search warrant affidavit is factual. However, unfortunately, much is police theory. Most egregiously, the timeline reported by law enforcement was not obtained through interviews with Dr. Murray.”

Lt. Fred Corral, an investigator at the Los Angeles County coroner’s office, said the toxicology tests and a final autopsy report had been completed but were being kept confidential at the request of the Los Angeles Police Department, which continues to investigate Dr. Murray.

A spokesman for the police department said he had no official statement regarding the case since the investigation was continuing.

Pam Belluck contributed reporting from Nantucket, Mass.
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« Reply #166 on: August 25, 2009, 08:03:38 AM »
When I went into a coma about 12 years ago, Propofol was what was used to keep me in the coma while my body healed.  It's just all ridiculous about Murray.  Negligent, I'd say.
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« Reply #167 on: August 25, 2009, 11:11:19 AM »
But MJ would have found someone to administer whatever he wanted. In this case Murray was in deep financial trouble and MJ got the promoter to agree to pay him $150k a week@! It's easy to justify things in that situation, "he'd be doing it anyway," "I'm not the one getting him the propofol, he already has it.'' etc etc

MJ was skating on thin ice, this was bound to happen sooner or later (an overdose or death).
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« Reply #168 on: August 25, 2009, 01:20:57 PM »
But MJ would have found someone to administer whatever he wanted. In this case Murray was in deep financial trouble and MJ got the promoter to agree to pay him $150k a week@! It's easy to justify things in that situation, "he'd be doing it anyway," "I'm not the one getting him the propofol, he already has it.'' etc etc

MJ was skating on thin ice, this was bound to happen sooner or later (and overdose or death).

Yes, this is all true, but a doctor has a code of ethics that should be followed.  I've been treated by an unethical doctor in the past, who eventually will end up losing his license for overprescribing, just as the doctor who prescribed for Elvis did.  It's unfortunate when people lose principles; but maybe Murray never had any.
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« Reply #169 on: August 25, 2009, 06:17:13 PM »
Needing money isn't an excuse for unethical behavior. Claiming he was reducing harm by being a medical supervisor to an dangerously addicted person is one thing. Perhaps it was a professional accident. But a doctor should probably know when NOT to get involved in a lose lose situation.  I think he never even got paid. 
He's at fault. But morally I'd say the concert promoter pushed the whole situation to its deadly finale.
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« Reply #170 on: August 25, 2009, 06:25:36 PM »
I agree his actions were unethical.

I guess my point is that even if Michael Jackson and Murray had never crossed paths, MJ was still headed down the road leading to an overdose or early death. The reason I think it's a valid point is that it's too easy to use the doctor as a scapegoat and say he killed MJ. That if it weren't for Murray MJ would still be alive etc.

MJ has been in deep trouble for a long time. So many people around him were enablers, the situation had gotten so out of hand. If it had not been Murray, MJ would have found another willing doctor, there was no stopping him.

From a legal perspective, though, Murray is probably guilty of manslaughter, based on what these reports are claiming, if they can prove it in court.

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« Reply #171 on: September 20, 2009, 10:33:48 PM »
and it goes on......
A man is suing Michael Jackson's estate, claiming the singer is responsible for the theft of his herpes cure.

Erle Bonner claims Jackson gave his formulas for "herpes cure, acne cures and arthritis cures" to a guy named Kevin Trudeau, also a defendant, who allegedly pilfered them.

Bonner also claims ..."someone from the Jackson family came by my house and shot a 22 pistol in the air. They turned around in a neighbor's driveway and drove away."

Bonner also claims in his suit, filed today in L.A. County Superior Court ... Jackson stole nine copyrights and the idea for an automobile insurance policy that "would revolutionize insurance for cars in America."

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« Reply #172 on: September 21, 2009, 02:33:29 AM »
.

Bonner also claims ..."someone from the Jackson family came by my house and shot a 22 pistol in the air. They turned around in a neighbor's driveway and drove away."


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« Reply #173 on: September 21, 2009, 04:58:09 AM »
Latoya may be a bit spooky and she sure ain't gonna miss this media exposure, she's really milking it. BUT. kudos to her for saying right out to the press from the get go that her brother was murdered. Ok so maybe it wasnt Bin Laden investement group trying to steal the Beatles catalogue and working through the nation of Islam to surround MJ with his zombie officers.
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« Reply #174 on: September 21, 2009, 07:38:40 PM »
  Latoya is so gangsta!

LOL!  I totally imagined LaToya shooting off some guns while Reebie did "Centipede" in the background!

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« Reply #175 on: September 23, 2009, 10:38:34 PM »
tfg.
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« Reply #176 on: September 24, 2009, 01:24:42 AM »
Michael is releasing a new song. You know... Like John Lennon has been doing for years and years after death. Makes me wonder just how many unknown or un released songs exist. The jackson's could keep this going for years. It would seem natural that any super star singer has hundreds of recording never released. Stuff they just messed with in the studio to see how it sounds, or recording of other hits, like some Beatles, Elvis and others. Since performers like Jackson have access to recording studios, probably own their own personal recording in-home studio, Michael probably had fun singing all types of songs and getting them down on tape.

I would'nt be surprised if we see many never heard songs released, and possibly entire albums from Michael's collection, in the future.
His family could keep the money rolling in for a long long time...   ;)

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« Reply #177 on: September 24, 2009, 03:08:17 AM »
Michael is releasing a new song. You know... Like John Lennon has been doing for years and years after death. Makes me wonder just how many unknown or un released songs exist. The jackson's could keep this going for years.

LOL I can't wait to see the video.   
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