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Offline ademas

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Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« on: June 25, 2009, 05:54:49 PM »
http://www.tmz.com/

being reported by TMZ.

holy crap.

Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2009, 05:58:12 PM »
Yeah, a friend just showed me that but MSNBC isn't reporting it yet.
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Offline Cliff

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2009, 06:22:07 PM »
CNN is saying he is in a coma.

Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2009, 06:23:49 PM »
LA Times was saying coma, but in the last 2 minutes is now saying dead.  I suspect they're the best final source.
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Offline fearless

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2009, 06:25:47 PM »
WOW!
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2009, 06:31:18 PM »
Wikipedia is already updated, and even the verbs have been made past tense.
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Offline anniebc

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2009, 06:39:41 PM »
We just got the "Breaking News" announcment..Michael Jackson passed away.

Despite all that was said of him, I thought he was a musical genius, I loved his videos, his songs and his voice, as far as I'm concerned he was one of the best.

R.I.P Michael..finally at peace.

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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2009, 06:46:32 PM »
Off the Wall > Thriller

Though I'd probably say I even like the Jacksons "Triumph" album better than anything.

edit: BBC NEWS = FAIL

still reporting that MJ is alive
« Last Edit: June 25, 2009, 06:53:10 PM by Miss Philicia »
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Offline anniebc

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2009, 06:55:50 PM »
Thriller my all time favourite Video..the song and that dance routine will  never be beaten..EVAH!!!.. ;)

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Offline antibody

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2009, 07:09:09 PM »
it's epic! like when Elvis died.
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2009, 07:12:09 PM »
I loved Off The Wall it still sounds great after all these years,,,,,,,and a lot of his other music too.

Why is it that I'm not surprised he died, the way one gets surprised when hearing about anyone under, say, 70, dying? Strange.

Wikipedia is saying On June 25, 2009, he collapsed at his home in Los Angeles. After being taken to the hospital in a coma, Jackson was reportedly pronounced dead.

TMZ says cardiac arrest but caused by what?  

Get a load of the names of his children, mostly fine except that last one and except the fact that they're all named after him:

Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince "Blanket" Michael Jackson II.

Blanket?  Prince Blanket? Oy vay

« Last Edit: June 25, 2009, 07:18:03 PM by Inchlingblue »

Offline antibody

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2009, 07:19:09 PM »
"Blanket" WTF?
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2009, 07:49:31 PM »
Well at least he didn't do what George Foreman do and name all his children George Foreman. Yes even his daughters...

But RIP Michael, Farrah, and whoever else is going to die soon.

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2009, 08:19:54 PM »
I really liked his songs "Rock With You" and "Shake Your Body."  He's definitely a legend.

R.I.P. Mr. Jackson

BTW, CNN is saying the family lawyer said he was abusing prescription meds, and the family was trying to get him help.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2009, 08:24:29 PM »
Oh, MJ's been a pill popper for a while according to rumors/reports.  You can't have that many nose jobs and not be in a lot of physical pain.  I'm sure he took other things for anxiety/stress considering what his life has been like the past 7 years or so.
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Offline GNYC09

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2009, 08:29:54 PM »
Oh my god, first Farrah then Michael...this is really going to affect my CD4 count : ((

Offline decayingsinner

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2009, 09:19:33 PM »
I always expected him to die young, say in his 60's, but this is crazy to hear him die at 50.  I never really was into any of his music.

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2009, 09:35:23 PM »
Well at least he didn't do what George Foreman do and name all his children George Foreman. Yes even his daughters...

But RIP Michael, Farrah, and whoever else is going to die soon.

Michael did the same thing, all three are named Michael, even the girl. What up with that........I had forgotten that George Foreman did that, lol

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2009, 09:38:59 PM »


TMZ says cardiac arrest but caused by what?  



Food poisoning.

Offline next2u

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2009, 10:22:44 PM »
this shit fucking sucks. michael was awesome. rip.
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2009, 10:27:17 PM »
Quote
But RIP Michael, Farrah, and whoever else is going to die soon.

Ed McMahon died this week. THat makes the three.

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2009, 11:12:59 PM »
I am deeply saddened by his loss. :'(
The world media made him weird regardless what anyone said. He looked feeble a week ago on EI at an interview for his upcoming London concert and I was wondering why.

RIP Michael. The world has lost a musical Genius and Humanitarian.   :'(:-\:'(
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RIP too Farrah. God Bless both your souls. :-* :'( :-*
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2009, 11:22:58 PM »
Ed McMahon died this week. THat makes the three.

Wonder who the next three will be?   Ironically someone  mentioned Elvis, who I like to remember as the suave cool guy back in the day as opposed to the fat peanut butter and bacon eating guy when he died.  Same goes for Mikey, he was cool back in the thriller days , but then all hell broke loose!
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2009, 05:56:32 AM »
I will definitely remember him as the cool and handsome disco prince of Club 64 with a tux and kinky Afro dancing in front of a mirror ball, asking us to "relax" our minds, "lay back and groove" with his....
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2009, 07:01:08 AM »
yeah, im definitely going through a never knew what we had until it was gone moment. he was beyond weird and amazingly talented. BET did a michael marathon. wow, that man has done a shitload of extraordinary stuff and was an awesome humanitarian.

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2009, 12:03:49 PM »
I grew up listening to Michael Jackson, my favorite sone was Rockin Robin.   Something that we have not mentioned is Michael Jackson's help in with Ryan White's cause. The Song gone to soon.  http://blog.danceruniverse.com/blog/story/2009/6/25/20119/7552

He drew attention to HIV/AIDS, and helped motivate many things that have happened in this disease.  It is a true loss.   He is gone to soon..

  
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2009, 03:11:17 PM »
Last night while driving down to Miami almost every station was having a marathon of MJ music. Typically, I would have changed the station at the sound of a Michael Jackson song. This time, however, I found myself singing along.

Each of his songs truly is a masterpiece. He's definitely the Mozart of our era.


yeah, im definitely going through a never knew what we had until it was gone moment...

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2009, 03:18:00 PM »
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2009, 03:25:21 PM »
I read somewhere he underwent and passed an intensive 4.5 hour physical after announcing his tour in London. I don't understand how someone who's addicted to opoids could pass such a physical. Especially at the age of 50.

Sounds like morphine is in the house.

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2009, 03:28:07 PM »
By all accounts he was on fire for the last few rehearsals for the 50 London shows. My money is on some sort of stimulant combined with overexertion.

It doesn't make any difference, it is still sad and he will always be the greatest showman ever in my books.

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2009, 06:31:09 PM »
I read somewhere he underwent and passed an intensive 4.5 hour physical after announcing his tour in London. I don't understand how someone who's addicted to opoids could pass such a physical. Especially at the age of 50.


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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2009, 06:37:33 PM »

Blanket?  Prince Blanket? Oy vay


Maybe Sarah Palin helped with the name?    ???
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2009, 07:33:25 PM »
yeah, they've been playing a lot of michael up here as well. damn, he made a lot of really good music.

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2009, 10:01:47 PM »
I guess I am the rain on the parade. Yeah, I liked his music but I tend to agree with everything Katt Williams, the comedian, said about the man. Now everyone is running out and buying his music, no thank you. If it was Janet, I would be more upset. What gets me is Michael acted like he was ashamed of his heritage and was trying more and more to look like either Diana Ross or Elizabeth Taylor. If it was Prince, I would be devestated.
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2009, 10:20:23 PM »
.. If it was Prince, I would be devestated.

I was converted way back during the Purple One's 1999 days, back when people thought HE was the weird one. I always have some Prince's music in my iPod but I don't remember the last time I uploaded any of MJ, maybe the occasional Jacksons' tracks from compilation of 70s or Motown's hits.

Well, we can expect years of MJ sighting and stories of fake death and that he's well and hiding in the Middle East to come...

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2009, 10:26:22 PM »
I don't know that his attempts to alter his appearance indicate unhappiness with his heritage.  A lot of people vary their natural appearance, by tanning light skin, lightening dark skin with makeup, straighening curly hair, curling straight hair, dyeing hair to colors not found in nature, lipstick and mascara, padding, etc.  Michael Jackson just took it a little too far.  I read in one article that they'll need an EPA permit to dispose of his body.
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2009, 10:29:42 PM »

Well, we can except years of MJ sighting and stories of fake death and that he's well and hiding in the Middle East to come...

Or that Latoya is really him.

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« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2009, 10:48:25 PM »
mj strove to break color lines. he also always surrounded himself with other folks of color and never denied his heritage. for the record, he always said he was proud of his heritage.

yes, he took things too far. it is up to him to deal with this. i still respect his not so outwardly black ass for his contributions to music and the way he made me feel. ive been kicking my leg and doing the eee hee eee for a minute now.

if their was an ounce of him ashamed to be black, it was as much society's fault as his own. we all know he did not have a normal childhood or adult life. i hope he is at peace.

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2009, 11:28:45 PM »
the supposed issue with MJ skins was called Vitiligo and Loss of Skin Color a condition in which white patches develop on the skin. Any location on the body can be affected, and most people with vitiligo have white patches in many areas of the body.

Causes of Vitiligo
Melanin is the pigment that gives the skin its characteristic color. Vitiligo is caused by a loss of pigment in the skin, due to destruction of pigment-forming cells known as melanocytes. The exact cause of the destruction of the pigment-forming cells (melanocytes) in the skin is not known. One possible explanation might be that the body's immune system destroys the cells, as in other autoimmune conditions. Although vitiligo affects all races equally, it is more noticeable in dark-skinned people.

Risk Factors for Vitiligo
Vitiligo affects up to 2% of the population, and it is estimated that two to five million Americans have the condition. In most cases, vitiligo develops early in life, between the ages of ten and 30 years. Ninety-five per cent of those affected will develop the disorder before age 40. Both men and women are equally likely to develop vitiligo. Vitiligo may run in families; those with a family history of vitiligo or premature graying of the hair are at increased risk for the development of vitiligo. Other risk factors that increase one's chances of developing vitiligo include having autoimmune diseases, such as autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashimoto's thyroiditis).

http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/guide/vitiligo-common-cause-loss-skin-pigment

 (remember them taking pictures of his genitals, and there was a rumor that he bleached his skin)

according to some sources he had several ailments. 

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2009, 11:45:41 PM »
mj strove to break color lines...


I will leave it to the more informed to write books and essays about that topic but IMHO the African American musicians that truly break color lines are those that achieved in their own musical style .. like Marvin Gaye with "What's Going On", a number of classic albums by Stevie Wonder in the early 70s ("Innervision" etc..) and "Sign of the Time" by Prince... I guess people will look to those and say they truly change the course of popular music/culture, in particularly the perception of black musicians..

MJ will more likely be remembered as the one that changed MTV, corporation-dictated music trends with "event albums" that were marketed with overproduced music videos and carefully timed releasing of singles to milk all their worth..

In retrospect you gotta say he did try too hard to break "color lines".. having Paul McCartney and Eddie Van Halen as musical partners.. and only when R&B, hip hop etc have taken over the mainstream he brought in folks like Teddy Riley and even his own sister in the 90s to reclaim some "blackness", but even by then no one was really taking him seriously as a leading force

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2009, 11:57:51 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2009, 12:02:41 AM »
Nothing like a lecture on American pop culture from a man in China.

Objectivity dear... ;D
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« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2009, 12:29:03 AM »
objectivity truly is rare...

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« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2009, 03:24:53 AM »

long live the memory of mj!

  MJ scored 54 points againt the New York Knicks back in 1993.  I have a memory like an elephant......  or is that an Orca?!?!?

  Hell I don't know......   all I know is if Michael Jackson had kept it all natural (herb) we would not be bringing up the memory of MJ (Michael Jordan) in an obit post....

 
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« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2009, 03:56:42 PM »
  MJ scored 54 points againt the New York Knicks back in 1993.  I have a memory like an elephant......  or is that an Orca?!?!

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2009, 05:48:13 PM »
Well, before anyone wants to burn me at the stake just remember opinions are like assholes, everybody has got one. And to me, he seem to want to change anything on him that was black to white. Yeah, he may have had the skin condition but what about his nose? Now come on, yeah I can see making it smaller because back in the day he had a hoover but his shit was damn near pointed enough to pop a balloon.

But everyone seems to feel sorry for the man when it seems like he was abusing painkillers. Now everybody running around buying up his music. Shoulda did that when he was alive to help get him out of debt. The ones I feel sorry for is his kids.
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2009, 06:37:52 PM »
I liked this Deepak Chopra interview by Olbermann.  I think he's right on the money about many of the issues that haunted MJ throughout his life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5pUOWaX0HA


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« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2009, 10:19:40 PM »
I've always appreciated Michael Jackson's hits but his music never really spoke to me. His personal life never interested me, so he was always on the fringe of my musical radar. He was very talented though.

Michael Jackson's death has been overshadowed by the death of a coworker yesterday. Glenn was a single dad and told his 5-year-old daughter that she had 5 minutes to start getting dressed. He went into the bathroom and when he didn't come out and didn't answer she tried to open the door but it was locked. She knew enough to call 911 and when the paramedics arrived they found him dead. He probably had a heart attack or aneurysm. He was 40.

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« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2009, 11:27:42 PM »
Very sorry about your co-worker/friend.. Not to hijack the thread, and beside its tragically pre-mature nature, that's definitely the way I would like to go through. Just drop with little pain.

Back to MJ.. that Deepak Chopra, was he a physician of his at some points? Spiritual adviser or just friend? If he was MJ's doctor wouldn't it be in some sort of violation of confidentiality to talk so openly about a patient's supposed addiction to painkillers?
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« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2009, 11:43:58 PM »
Michael Jackson's death has been overshadowed by the death of a coworker yesterday. Glenn was a single dad and told his 5-year-old daughter that she had 5 minutes to start getting dressed. He went into the bathroom and when he didn't come out and didn't answer she tried to open the door but it was locked. She knew enough to call 911 and when the paramedics arrived they found him dead. He probably had a heart attack or aneurysm. He was 40.

it's has been a hard week and this is about the saddest thing I've read.  My prayers for the little girl.  god bless her.

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2009, 12:35:35 AM »
Very sorry about your co-worker/friend.. Not to hijack the thread, and beside its tragically pre-mature nature, that's definitely the way I would like to go through. Just drop with little pain.

Back to MJ.. that Deepak Chopra, was he a physician of his at some points? Spiritual adviser or just friend? If he was MJ's doctor wouldn't it be in some sort of violation of confidentiality to talk so openly about a patient's supposed addiction to painkillers?

i don't think Chopra was his personal physician in the interview he never says he gave Mr. Jefferson the oxycontin he just states that he asked for them. Drug seeking behavior that is what addicts do.
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« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2009, 01:53:56 AM »
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104393
this is the best!

Was it made before or after his death?

And for the prescription issue - Chopra did mention that MJ asked him for the pills, and it does sound to me MJ was asking him within the context of a doctor-patient relationship.

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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2009, 03:14:44 AM »
It's really respectful not to speak ill of the passed.  :-\

Everyone in life has issues and problems. That's being human. Only difference between a saint and a sinner is if one can hide them dark secrets better than the guy next door to seem more perfect.  ;)

MJ didn't have that luxury with constant scrutiny. He was flawed in conventional eyes but he was blessed more too musically and in charitable humanity. He holds the Guinness record for the only celebrity to actively support 39 charities worldwide, including HIV/AIDS. I mentioned this to put things in perspective. Listen to powerful insightful songs like, Man In The Mirror, Black or White, The Earth Song, to understand how he uses music to evoke a desperate call to mankind for change and inner reflection to avoid its own destruction.

And it's offensive and redundant to say that a man from china cannot make comments on American culture. It's as good as saying that only chinese from china can eat rice or that only the  British can speak English. Anyone with an objective mind and better exposure to any culture and topic can comment. Living in one's race dun make one more culturally aware or exclusive to all thereof.  ::)

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« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2009, 03:22:16 AM »
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..And it's offensive and redundant to say that a man from china cannot make comments on American culture.

Thanks for that Merlin but I think I know what Ms. Philicia mean that I don't think that's an issue.. (suffice to say he knows me enough that I grew up in the Bay Area and speak with a thick American accent).. but your point is still valid.. ;)
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #56 on: June 28, 2009, 05:44:05 AM »
It's really respectful not to speak ill of the passed.  :-\

.....

And it's offensive and redundant to say that a man from china cannot make comments on American culture.

Redundant? 

That aside...  do you mean that it's not respectful to speak ill of the passed?    Sorry, but just because someone is dead doesn't automatically bestow sainthood on them.    Maybe MJ did something for pop culture that means something important somewhere in the grand scheme of things, but, sorry....  my opinion of whether someone lived an ethical life doesn't change just because of death, which, ultimately happens to everyone.  So, everyone in the world, in your view, will eventually qualify to have a halo of holiness around them.  Nah.. not gonna happen.

In my opinion, MJ did not really represent what was good in American culture and I don't find myself mourning, waxing nostalgic, or finding ways to jump of the let's-find-something-nice-to-say-about-crazy-people bandwagon.

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« Reply #57 on: June 28, 2009, 06:09:14 AM »
In my opinion, MJ did not really represent what was good in American culture and I don't find myself mourning, waxing nostalgic, or finding ways to jump of the let's-find-something-nice-to-say-about-crazy-people bandwagon.

Which just sounds like you are jumping on the let's deride the mentally ill  bandwagon.

Surely anyone can see that Michael Jackson had mental health issues and that many of his daemons were not of his own making. Here, of all places, I would have thought that people would have some basic understanding of just what that can do to you - because I have never met a single person living with HIV who isn't in some significant way mentally affected by it - but obviously I was wrong.

Modified to add:

Out of interest, which particular good aspect of "American culture" would you rather have represented? And what exactly is it about him that you feel reflects so badly on "American culture" that he isn't worthy of a little respect? Or is it just that you don't think the mentally ill are worthy of any admiration?
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #58 on: June 28, 2009, 07:22:16 AM »

And it's offensive and redundant to say that a man from china cannot make comments on American culture. It's as good as saying that only chinese from china can eat rice or that only the  British can speak English. Anyone with an objective mind and better exposure to any culture and topic can comment. Living in one's race dun make one more culturally aware or exclusive to all thereof.  ::)

It was a joke between friends -- and trust me, I could made it lots more offensive.  Maybe you need to take a break from the internet and relax a little.
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #59 on: June 28, 2009, 10:40:32 AM »

So, everyone in the world, in your view, will eventually qualify to have a halo of holiness around them.  Nah.. not gonna happen.


Please, please, by all means. ;D
Since it seems you have the expert hold on such matters, I'll leave the topic of disrespect for the dead squarely in your lap. Dancing on anyone's grave any time soon? zzz ::)

It was a joke between friends -- and trust me, I could made it lots more offensive.  Maybe you need to take a break from the internet and relax a little.

It's great you guys share telepathic jokes between yourselves but it does not diminish the inference it was made out to be. Whatever.  ::)
And as a sign of respect, age before beauty; you can take the first step to that break you suggested. Have fun ya?  :D

Here, of all places, I would have thought that people would have some basic understanding of just what that can do to you - because I have never met a single person living with HIV who isn't in some significant way mentally affected by it - but obviously I was wrong.

Took me a while but over the years, I too realized that the obvious is not always so. Sometimes one needs to grab the bulls by the horns whenever they appear. But thanks for your insight.  :-*
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Re: Michael Jackson dead at 50?
« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2009, 04:03:25 PM »
One of my very good friends was born and raised in Gary, IN, and went to school with MJ's cousin.  She said, just as the movie about the family showed, the father was very cruel.  Apparently he used to tell Michael to dance fast, that there were people in the audience with guns who were going to shoot him if he didn't.  Also, according to her, when Michael got older and saw any part of his father in him, he had plastic surgery to remove the likeness.

Now, my friend is no liar, but whether this info is 100% accurate or not, I couldn't swear by.
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« Reply #61 on: June 28, 2009, 04:10:21 PM »
One of my very good friends was born and raised in Gary, IN, and went to school with MJ's cousin.  She said, just as the movie about the family showed, the father was very cruel.  Apparently he used to tell Michael to dance fast, that there were people in the audience with guns who were going to shoot him if he didn't.  Also, according to her, when Michael got older and saw any part of his father in him, he had plastic surgery to remove the likeness.

Now, my friend is no liar, but whether this info is 100% accurate or not, I couldn't swear by.

I've heard horror stories about the father, MJ himself has talked about being beaten with a belt (the part with the buckle). It makes sense to me that the plastic surgery would be a reaction to the father as opposed to his race.

The estate is rumored to be $400 million in debt. When Elvis died it was not that bad but similar. Except  with Elvis, his only heir, Lisa Marie (ex- Mrs. Michael Jackson, lol) had a legal guardian, Priscilla and it's Priscilla who is credited with turning Elvis's estate around financially and making her daughter a very very rich girl. Michael's children don't seem to have a Priscilla.

It's possible he had a will in which he named someone as legal guardian of the kids, someone who would also be capable of bringing that estate back in the black (lol, that's an accounting term, pun INTENDED!)

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« Reply #62 on: June 28, 2009, 04:18:55 PM »
MJ was a pitiful and tragic character, particularly in the last years of his life, but he was incredibly talented, and I'll always remember that he befriended and helped Ryan White at a time when there was little but fear and ostracization being offered from the rest of society.


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« Reply #63 on: June 28, 2009, 04:41:32 PM »
One of my very good friends was born and raised in Gary, IN, and went to school with MJ's cousin.  She said, just as the movie about the family showed, the father was very cruel.  Apparently he used to tell Michael to dance fast, that there were people in the audience with guns who were going to shoot him if he didn't.  Also, according to her, when Michael got older and saw any part of his father in him, he had plastic surgery to remove the likeness.

Now, my friend is no liar, but whether this info is 100% accurate or not, I couldn't swear by.

Hmmm... I've heard that father/plastic surgery theory before myself.  Is your friend quite certain that she/he didn't swipe that from an unauthorized biography? :)
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« Reply #64 on: June 28, 2009, 06:19:21 PM »
If even half of this article is true it will make for a stunning book:

'I'm better off dead. I'm done': Michael Jackson's fateful prediction just a week before his death
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« Reply #65 on: June 28, 2009, 06:23:06 PM »
If even half of this article is true it will make for a stunning book:

'I'm better off dead. I'm done': Michael Jackson's fateful prediction just a week before his death

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« Reply #66 on: June 28, 2009, 07:14:26 PM »
READ THE ARTICLE MISSY
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« Reply #67 on: June 28, 2009, 08:00:26 PM »
i always knew he was gay! GAY! GAY ! GAY!
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« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2009, 08:15:41 PM »
i always knew he was gay! GAY! GAY ! GAY!
(not that there's anything wrong with that)

Not so fast (the gays don't want to claim him!)...and not so simple. The problem with insisting MJ was gay (despite the fact he never identified himself as such) is that it oversimplifies his particular demons. And of course, it gives ammunition to everybody who thinks all gay men are interested in under age boys.

The "psychology" of someone interested in children sexually is very different than simply being "gay" or "straight.'' Many people out there think all gay men are after their boys in order to "recruit" them, etc. They'll point to MJ and say, "look, there's proof."

MJ was a tortured soul and I don't say that judgmentally, all anybody had to do was look at him and know the slightest bit about him, it was plain as day.

Interesting article, Miss P.

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« Reply #69 on: June 28, 2009, 08:30:34 PM »
That was an interesting article, and not surprising at all.
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« Reply #70 on: June 28, 2009, 10:16:51 PM »
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« Reply #71 on: June 29, 2009, 12:17:36 AM »
READ THE ARTICLE MISSY

Ok, Miss Thang, I read the dang article. Mikey being gay? Yeah, I could see it. He should've taken tips from R.Kelly and came out the closet. Yeah, bad Queen, I know but I have never been known to be a follower. Though the story still does not change my opinion of him. But only God/dess and Mikey knows the truth. And we all have our skeletons in the closet, welll I suspect a few have damn cemetaries(sp?) :D
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« Reply #72 on: June 29, 2009, 05:51:41 AM »
If even half of this article is true it will make for a stunning book

I very much doubt that the Daily Mail has ever printed an article in which anywhere close to half the claims could be thought of as 'true', let alone fair and balanced .. unless you have swastika tattoos and refer to Hitler as Adolf the Great ;)
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« Reply #73 on: June 29, 2009, 06:50:07 AM »
I very much doubt that the Daily Mail has ever printed an article in which anywhere close to half the claims could be thought of as 'true', let alone fair and balanced .. unless you have swastika tattoos and refer to Hitler as Adolf the Great ;)

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« Reply #74 on: June 29, 2009, 08:50:11 AM »
You Brit whingers obviously didn't see who wrote the article, or researched his past work.

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« Reply #75 on: June 29, 2009, 09:23:53 AM »
You Brit whingers obviously didn't see who wrote the article, or researched his past work.

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Listen, Miss Philicia von Stumphenhosen, I didn't even read the article. I still have a little pride left and wouldn't pollute my senses with anything written in the Daily Hate-Mail. I bet it managed to get a dig in about Islam somewhere though .. they always do ;)

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« Reply #76 on: June 29, 2009, 09:36:07 AM »
Oh wow.  Did you hear how ole Joe Jackson appeared at the BET awards and plugged his new company?  How low class.  I also heard that Katherine is already calling friends to find out where Michael stashed cash under the carpets. 
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« Reply #77 on: June 29, 2009, 09:42:56 AM »
Oh wow.  Did you hear how ole Joe Jackson appeared at the BET awards and plugged his new company?  How low class.  

I sure did.  You can watch the interview here. I watched it last night on CNn . Don Lemmon was doing the interview of Joe Jackson ; 4 minutes 4 seconds into interview

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« Reply #78 on: June 29, 2009, 02:48:01 PM »
Oh wow.  Did you hear how ole Joe Jackson appeared at the BET awards and plugged his new company?  How low class.  I also heard that Katherine is already calling friends to find out where Michael stashed cash under the carpets. 

There's something seriously wrong with Joe Jackson.  He appears to be relishing the moment. 

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« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2009, 07:47:48 PM »
Poor Michael. I hope he is moonwalking through heaven.

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« Reply #80 on: June 30, 2009, 04:39:25 PM »
His last will was discovered and supposedly he left nothing to his father. Talk about a diss from the grave. I have this mental picture of Michael giving his father a crotch grab to his face from the great beyond.

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« Reply #81 on: June 30, 2009, 04:58:55 PM »
His last will was discovered and supposedly he left nothing to his father. Talk about a diss from the grave. I have this mental picture of Michael giving his father a crotch grab to his face from the great beyond.

It's definitely only a symbolic act. The estate is estimated to be $400 million in debt. Sure, there is the potential to earn that much and more but it would take years and by that time Joe and Michael will have already met in heaven and settled the score. ;)

To quote Elton John and Bernie Taupin: "It's a sad sad situation....and it's getting more and more absurd."

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« Reply #82 on: June 30, 2009, 05:16:46 PM »
My local paper today quoted the guy who signed Michael to Epic records as saying the flurry of sales since his death will do alot to reduce Michaels debt.
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« Reply #83 on: June 30, 2009, 07:22:20 PM »
It's definitely only a symbolic act. The estate is estimated to be $400 million in debt. Sure, there is the potential to earn that much and more but it would take years and by that time Joe and Michael will have already met in heaven and settled the score. ;)

To quote Elton John and Bernie Taupin: "It's a sad sad situation....and it's getting more and more absurd."

He owns a huge stake in sony music publishing. Once that is sold and all of his assets are accounted for it is speculated that it will put his estate about 200 million in the black .

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« Reply #84 on: June 30, 2009, 09:23:27 PM »
The Jackson family circus boggles the mind.

Now it seems the kids are not his, maybe not hers, biologically, but maybe his dermatolgist's.  He never adopted them. WTF?

Michael was a cash cow for that family, but bankrupt himself.

A drug addict, isolated, surrounded by vampires and enablers.

Tricked into concerts he could never sustain physically, to make a lot of money for other people.

Simultaneously on a pedastal but also held in utter contempt. 

What a mess he was, but also, what a Rat F*uck he was surronded by.  And now it gets worse....

His artisitic achievements were so much bigger and classier than his personal life, his choices over the last 15 years, and this circus around him.  He became such a contradiction. Tawdry genius.  A fallen angel turned into a zombie. 

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« Reply #85 on: July 01, 2009, 03:20:33 AM »
He owns a huge stake in sony music publishing. Once that is sold and all of his assets are accounted for it is speculated that it will put his estate about 200 million in the black .

The estate could definitely be in the black but it could take years. He owns 50% of the Beatles catalog and Sony owns the other 50% but they have leant him alot of money over the years and I've read that they can legally claim his half and own the whole thing based on his debt to them and the only thing keeping them from doing it was that they were afraid that Michael's fans would boycott all Sony products, they did not want to rock the boat, PR-wise.

It remains to be seen who will be in charge financially of his estate, making all the strategic decisions necessary for it to be in the black. As mentioned in an earlier post, with Elvis, Priscilla was largely responsible for turning things around, since she was the biological mother of Elvis's heir, Lisa Marie, but with Michael it's not so clear cut.

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« Reply #86 on: July 01, 2009, 08:48:51 AM »
Whoever put some class back in Elvis's affairs deserves kudos.

I'm afraid MJ's artistic legacy will soon be very soiled indeed by the rat f"ckers, including his own family.  A jackson family tribute tour?!!  SAVE US GOD from that.

His wealth, if there is any, will be squandered.  Its a pity the guy didn't have a better handle on his financial affairs -- he could have left a fortune to a foundation that would have done good works in his name.  One begins to believe the worst of the worst case scenarios explaining the last 15 years -- tired spent morally corrupt man (but artistic genius) surrounded by vultures.

OK, I guess I've made my point many times over.   I dread what's coming. "MJ's death" is going to be the trashiest most vulgar media event in some time.
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« Reply #87 on: July 01, 2009, 11:23:12 AM »
A Jackson clan tour just seems one step too far.

Perhaps they might treat us to a hologram of Michael for the finale.

We might even get one of those beyond the grave albums (like the ones Natalie Cole being hocking forever) with the family duetting with the erstwhile Peter Pan of Pop.


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« Reply #88 on: July 01, 2009, 01:06:41 PM »
Apparently there's very good footage of his recent rehearsals for the This Is It tour and that will all be compiled into a movie or DVD or TV special.

It's not actually a bad idea if it's done right.

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« Reply #89 on: July 01, 2009, 04:36:36 PM »
Well, about that footage. It was being shot to be edited for the concerts in London.  MJ was supposed to only do aobut 10-15 minutes of live anything in those London concerts.  The rest was gonna be video and onstate spectacle.  Anyway, thats what I read. So that "rehearsal" footage might not be much more than posing and what not. If you see the pictures of him at that rehearsal, he looks dreadful. Supposedly, he couldn't sing a note anymore. 
But, then, other people say the opposite...
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« Reply #90 on: July 02, 2009, 06:32:53 PM »
Here's the footage, from about 36 hours before his death (Tuesday night).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcCL8vZNSe0

I'm thinkin' it would have been a helluva good concert.

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« Reply #91 on: July 03, 2009, 07:27:17 PM »
i love it. he hired an anesthesiologist to get him high. he was like paying some guy to watch him breathe. 
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« Reply #92 on: July 04, 2009, 12:03:27 AM »
Here's the footage, from about 36 hours before his death (Tuesday night).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcCL8vZNSe0

I'm thinkin' it would have been a helluva good concert.

I love the comment under the video where the guy ask if he is really dead, of course I had to reply.
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« Reply #93 on: July 04, 2009, 03:48:39 AM »
i love it. he hired an anesthesiologist to get him high. he was like paying some guy to watch him breathe. 

The drug he requested was propofol.  It's a really good sedative!  :D

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« Reply #94 on: July 04, 2009, 07:30:57 AM »
Apparently there's very good footage of his recent rehearsals for the This Is It tour and that will all be compiled into a movie or DVD or TV special.

It's not actually a bad idea if it's done right.

He looked awful on the parts I saw -- 50 year old anorexic shuffling around the state while the back up dancers are doing all of the work.  They were showing the same 3 minute clip over and over and over last night, and I'd assume they released the best footage.  The commentators seemed to be going overboard exclaiming that he looked great and fit!  At least Madonna, who by the way is the exact same age, goes to the gym everyday and is a fitness fanatic.  You have to be to handle multi-country tour dates, especially after the age of 40, much less 50.

This will sound ageist of me, but I really think these performers need to hang it up one they hit 40, at least as touring goes.  Nothing wrong with restricting yourself to the recording studio, and maybe doing the odd charity concert, but haven't they make enough money to retire?
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« Reply #95 on: July 04, 2009, 09:25:39 PM »
it's sad because there will always be that die hard fan that will fork out the cash to see their nostalgic  kings of yesteryear bring them back to the good ol' days when really they are just washed up has beens
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« Reply #96 on: July 04, 2009, 10:00:45 PM »
Does this mean that I should not go to the Kajagoogoo reunion tour?
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« Reply #97 on: July 04, 2009, 11:05:37 PM »
He looked awful on the parts I saw -- 50 year old anorexic shuffling around the state while the back up dancers are doing all of the work.  They were showing the same 3 minute clip over and over and over last night, and I'd assume they released the best footage. 
I agree. Though he wasn't in a wheelchair, as previously, so I was a bit surprised to see those 3 minutes.  I can't believe the easy ride this guy is getting from the mainstream broadcast news... 
Seems to me this was either suicide or gross medical mistake, or kinda both... really.  Seems to me he was being wrung dry and all those vultures around him should just bow their heads in shame now and GO AWAY. 
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« Reply #98 on: July 04, 2009, 11:13:10 PM »
This will sound ageist of me, but I really think these performers need to hang it up one they hit 40, at least as touring goes.  Nothing wrong with restricting yourself to the recording studio, and maybe doing the odd charity concert, but haven't they make enough money to retire?

Some do continue with some class.  Its probably true very few generate the excitement of their youth.  Seen a pretty good old Bowie and Dylan, but was it really exciting? no.  That 3 minutes of MJ looks really crass, trash, tired and sad.  The hyperbole around that London gig was so trashy.  Come back, what comeback? No new material in years.  At least Madonna drops some decently produced CDs nowadAYS to justify her shaking her skinny butt.
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« Reply #99 on: July 04, 2009, 11:17:48 PM »
While I agree that the rehearsal footage was not impressive, I assumed he was just not "giving it his all" since it was, after all, a rehearsal. The whole point of rehearsals is more about knowing your marks and knowing the moves etc., it's not like  Michael could or should give in a rehearsal the kind of energy he'd give in a performance.

Whether or not he would have been able to summon the required level of energy for the performance we'll never know.

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« Reply #100 on: July 05, 2009, 12:22:28 PM »
Off next-door to see Madonna now. I'd still rather be seeing Michael Jackson lip-synching and a shadow of his former self.

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« Reply #101 on: July 05, 2009, 01:14:22 PM »
I think there are certain talents that reach well beyond the pale, and achieve an iconic status for their contribution to their genre, that are well worth the price of the concert ticket in their later years.

I saw Ella Fitzgerald in concert when she was near 70.  She wasn't in the same "voice" that she was at 35, but she still had the technique, and the charisma, and it was probably the best concert I've ever been to.  

There's a big difference between seeing an icon such as MJ in a world-tour caliber show than seeing Pablo Cruise or Air Supply at the Emerald Queen Casino or Puyallup Fair.

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« Reply #102 on: July 05, 2009, 06:15:19 PM »
Does this mean that I should not go to the Kajagoogoo reunion tour?

If you go, take me!

It should be noted that yesterday, I saw John Mellencamp, Bob Dylan, and Willie Nelson in concert at South Bend Silverhawk's ballpark (Coveleski, yeah I know that means nothing).  Mellencamp kicked ass and the other two were good.  Dylan sang a couple songs I knew, so I could follow along with the words; otherwise, I have no idea what he's saying when he sings.  Willie was good, but better in my drinking days.
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« Reply #103 on: July 05, 2009, 08:58:36 PM »
You know, the funny thing is that the three biggest 80's/90's figures: Jackson, Madonna and Whitney Houston, if you had been asked in 1989 which of them would crash and burn and in what order everyone would have put Madonna first, yet she's been the cleanest relatively speaking.  Her messiness when it has happened has been relatively minor.  Nothing comes close to those legendary leaked photographs of Whitney's drug paraphernalia in her filthy bathroom.  OK, maybe that wasn't as harmful as MJ's possible pedo stuff, but that didn't end up sticking.

Oh, Whitney's new album is dropping soon -- parts of the first single were just leaked and from what I've read, as I've not yet heard it, her voice suffers from post-crack pipe.

Quasi off topic: I'm utterly devastated that Miley Cyrus broke up with Justin "Underwear Model" Gaston to get back with *eww* Nick Jonas.  Just do a google-image for Justin and you'll see what I mean.  Plus I just adore that Justin practically does soft porn yet claims to love Jesus on his twitter space.
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« Reply #104 on: July 05, 2009, 09:03:43 PM »
i love nick jonas he's so wholesome and tasty! :P
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« Reply #105 on: July 06, 2009, 12:32:17 AM »
Yeah, like Wonder Bread.
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« Reply #106 on: July 07, 2009, 05:56:56 PM »
Michael Jackson memorial at Staples centre

Well it was far classier than I expected.  A number of speakers were touching. Brooke Shields.  I also liked Al Sharpton and i NEVER like him much. 

A few strange show biz moments, but overall well done.  Why were the jacksons all wearing dark shades inside? Where did they get all those black suvs??  Why did they invite MLKing III who said more about his family than MJ.  etc etc.
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« Reply #107 on: July 07, 2009, 06:29:35 PM »
The black sunglasses were probably to hide the tears.

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« Reply #108 on: July 07, 2009, 06:46:51 PM »
The black sunglasses were probably to hide the tears.

Yes, I can confirm that it's the truth, Dark Sunglasses do hide all the tears, I've buried enough of my Friends due to AIDS, and I have a pair of them as well  :'(
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« Reply #109 on: July 07, 2009, 07:15:42 PM »
It was touching.  I liked what the congresswoman said about Michael going to the congress and telling them to fight for people with Aids back in the day.

I did cry a bit when his daughter spoke at the end.  That was extremely heart-wrenching.
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« Reply #110 on: July 07, 2009, 07:29:54 PM »
According to TMZ, the use of SUV Range Rovers and Rolls Royces were donated by two companies in Encino where Katherine Jackson resides.
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« Reply #111 on: July 07, 2009, 08:17:47 PM »
It was touching.  I liked what the congresswoman said about Michael going to the congress and telling them to fight for people with Aids back in the day.

I did cry a bit when his daughter spoke at the end.  That was extremely heart-wrenching.

Have to agree with you BT. Everything was okay until she spoke and that tore me up.. It made it more personal.

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« Reply #112 on: July 07, 2009, 11:00:57 PM »
Can I just say: enough of Michael Jackson!

Its a sad commentary on the state of the "news" media when the coverage of people dying for their rights in Iran is completely buried under non-stop coverage of this circus   >:(
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« Reply #113 on: July 08, 2009, 12:33:48 AM »
LOL! You'd think the state was in financial trouble.

http://cbs2.com/local/Michael.Jackson.Los.2.1075071.html

LA Sets Up Web Site For Jackson Memorial Donations

The city of Los Angeles has set up a Web site to allow Michael Jackson fans to help the city pay for his Staples Center memorial service.

Mayor's office spokesman Matt Szabo said the site launched Tuesday morning is linked to a PayPal account where donors can help defray the ceremony's cost with tax deductible credit-card contributions. Szabo estimates the service will cost $1.5 million to $4 million.

The Web page reads: "Help the City of Angels provide the extraordinary public safety resources required to give Michael the safe, orderly and respectful memorial he deserves."

Click here to donate to the memorial.

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« Reply #114 on: July 08, 2009, 04:11:25 AM »
Dennis, I wonder how much money the city of Angles  (not) made off Mickael Jackson through the years?

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« Reply #115 on: July 08, 2009, 04:23:12 AM »
I know it was a memorial and all, but Mariah Carey sure has packed on the pounds.

Perhaps, she's comfort eating.

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« Reply #116 on: July 08, 2009, 06:34:14 AM »
I know it was a memorial and all, but Mariah Carey sure has packed on the pounds.

Perhaps, she's comfort eating.

I know it was a memorial and all, but Jermaine's voice sounded horrible. ;)

I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

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« Reply #117 on: July 08, 2009, 07:09:43 PM »
I know it was a memorial and all, but Jermaine's voice sounded horrible. ;)



He sounds exactly like Michael.  Do you think Michael's channeling his voice through Jermaine?
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« Reply #118 on: July 08, 2009, 07:31:20 PM »
Dennis, I wonder how much money the city of Angles  (not) made off Mickael Jackson through the years?

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« Reply #119 on: July 08, 2009, 08:00:47 PM »
Neither Stevie Wonder nor Jermaine Jackson sounded very good, but it wasn't the point to do perfect performace but to show respect for MJ and I think they did that well.
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« Reply #120 on: July 08, 2009, 08:24:42 PM »
It was all about La Toya's hat!
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« Reply #121 on: July 08, 2009, 08:39:57 PM »

It was all about La Toya's hat!


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« Reply #122 on: July 09, 2009, 03:43:39 AM »
It was all about La Toya's hat!

That hat was so big I didn't even know Rebbie was there.

Janet looked like she was a member of Mossad.

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« Reply #123 on: July 09, 2009, 07:34:11 AM »
He sounds exactly like Michael.  Do you think Michael's channeling his voice through Jermaine?

Holy crap I think  you're right, it must have been the glove!

but it wasn't the point to do perfect performace but to show respect for MJ and I think they did that well.

I disagree, this is the Jackson 5 and the level of perfection expected out of them should not lessen just because of a simbling's death!!!   I mean sheeez we got people begging for tickets to the show, the city collecting donations...  I want fireworks , rising from the grave, all that good stuff.  I bet Michael was just spinning in his grave listening to his brother just butcher his favorite song.

I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

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« Reply #124 on: July 09, 2009, 01:14:56 PM »
That hat was so big I didn't even know Rebbie was there.

Janet looked like she was a member of Mossad.



And look closely at La Toya -- she's had some very MJ surgery and skin lightening done.  However, she was wiser and didn't quite go the MJ overboard route.  I think she looks really fab, and she's projecting fierce attitude.
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« Reply #125 on: July 09, 2009, 01:41:36 PM »
LaToya does look great, though I doubt I can ever fully forgive her for that decade of headbands,
and I don't think any vibe she emits will ever occlude the underlying "batshit crazy".

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« Reply #126 on: July 09, 2009, 02:26:11 PM »
Who's the other female in the picture with Latoya and Janet?
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« Reply #127 on: July 09, 2009, 02:30:25 PM »
Who's the other female in the picture with Latoya and Janet?

Rebbie!  And for your viewing pleasure:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7MidxMUcJg

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« Reply #128 on: July 09, 2009, 05:45:32 PM »
Why have I never heard of Rebbie?
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« Reply #129 on: July 09, 2009, 06:03:05 PM »
Rebbie is still very Jehovah's Witness and has kept a low profile.  "Centipede" was a pretty big hit though in 1984, but nothing after that ever did well so she kind of retired from recording.
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« Reply #130 on: July 10, 2009, 07:12:55 AM »
I loved Centipede, I played it on my little collapsing SONY walkman, it was stainless steel, red lacquer and white plastic. I ran up and down the hills of SF:

I don't think LaToya looks good at all.  Like Michael, she was adorable.  Turned into creepy often skanky alien-looking type "celebrity". 

Notice the size of the hat is mirror opposite of the size of each sister's talent. ehehehe

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« Reply #131 on: July 10, 2009, 08:00:11 AM »
Perhaps they could tour this memorial show.  I'm sure they'd clean up.


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« Reply #132 on: July 10, 2009, 12:10:57 PM »
Yeah, La Toya doesn't look good there -- she's uber-plasticized looking.

Stuff is getting ugly -- CNN reported last night about a 2004 previously unreleased police interview with two Jackson security guards and how at one time he was up to 40 xanax each night.  Now TMZ is reporting that Jackson's body had injection marks in his NECK, and that he was most likely self-injecting Demerol.  This investigation will kick into high drama with many doctors and make Anna Nicole Smith look tame by comparison.  TMZ is very must read today!

The US needs a nation wide computer database that can instantaneously access how much of what drug in a certain time frame a patient is obtaining.
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« Reply #133 on: July 10, 2009, 12:16:38 PM »

The US needs a nation wide computer database that can instantaneously access how much of what drug in a certain time frame a patient is obtaining.

But I had read that several different names/addresses were found to be used in connection with MJ so there would be ways to go around the database if someone was very motivated to do so. You know what they say, where there's a will........."

One of the TV shows (maybe Dateline?) did a computer rendering of what MJ would have looked like at 50 if he had not had any plastic surgery.  Basically it looked like someone older than 50 and very "normal" looking.  Like someone you'd see shopping at WalMart or something. It makes  sense how he, who cultivated such a strange persona, would have wanted to avoid at all cost looking like a regular person.
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« Reply #134 on: July 10, 2009, 01:09:41 PM »
But I had read that several different names/addresses were found to be used in connection with MJ so there would be ways to go around the database if someone was very motivated to do so. You know what they say, where there's a will........."


Odd.  Just require a photo ID and a signature on file like to go to the bank.  This shouldn't be hard to implement.  Of course, pharmacy companies won't like it because abuse is so high in the US it will cut profits.
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« Reply #135 on: July 10, 2009, 01:42:45 PM »
Thanks for the TMZ tip.
The photos from the Neverland Raid are too weird.  The boy mannequins?? The art?
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« Reply #136 on: July 11, 2009, 06:04:49 PM »
Authorities Closing in On Jackson Doc
Posted Jul 11th 2009 11:53AM by TMZ Staff

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ the central target in both the coroner and LAPD investigations into Michael Jackson's death is Dr. Conrad Murray, who was at Jackson's house when the singer went into full cardiac arrest.

Sources say the doctor is not cooperating with authorities, but they have still found evidence linking him to the drug that may have killed Jackson. As we first reported, as a result of Dr. Murray's second interview with police two weeks ago today, the LAPD obtained a warrant to conduct a second search of Jackson's home -- and that's when they found Propofol, a powerful anesthesia that should never be used outside a hospital. There is evidence Propofol was administered to Jackson shortly before his heart stopped beating.

And we're told there is evidence Dr. Murray may have administered the drug. Dr. Murray's lawyer, Ed Chernoff, told TMZ he would neither confirm nor deny if Dr. Murray administered Propofol to Jackson. Law enforcement sources tell us if they conclude the doctor administered the drug it may well lead to manslaughter charges.

Investigators are also suspicious of the delay in calling 911 -- the Dr. says he waited 20 - 30 minutes because he didn't know Jackson's address that would lead paramedics to the house. Jackson lived on one of the most famous streets in the world -- one house above Sunset Blvd.

As the investigation into Jackson's death heats up, there's also an investigation into his life with drugs and the doctor's who fueled it. Sources tell us law enforcement is seriously investigating the prescription practices of several doctors who gave Jackson access to medications. Investigators are particularly interested in doctors who used aliases to write scripts for Jackson. One of the central figures in the investigation -- Dr. Arnold Klein.

We broke the story yesterday how members of Jackson's staff complained that Klein was using the names of employees and others to help Jackson score drugs. One of the names allegedly used -- Frank Tyson, a former Jackson employee. Several powerful meds in Tyson's name were prescribed by Dr. Klein and found at the Neverland Ranch during the 2003 search.

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« Reply #137 on: July 11, 2009, 06:14:21 PM »
dang...that's a serious development. what's up with tmz's legitimacy?
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« Reply #138 on: July 11, 2009, 06:47:29 PM »
what's up with tmz's legitimacy?

legit -- partially owned by Time Warner, and they were the first to find out when Jackson went to the hospital that he'd actually died, so they broke the story before any mainstream new source.  They're located in LA and have moles throughout the city with fire, ambulance and rescue to supplement their extensive PR/agency contacts.

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« Reply #139 on: July 11, 2009, 06:50:41 PM »
looks like MJ was a hoarder.
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« Reply #140 on: July 11, 2009, 07:01:02 PM »
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« Reply #141 on: July 11, 2009, 07:34:12 PM »
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« Reply #142 on: July 12, 2009, 10:17:06 PM »
"Don't stop till you get enough" I can't get enough. I can't wait for more MJ news. it's all i been reading all weekend. I can't wait for Monday so we get more info.
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« Reply #143 on: July 15, 2009, 03:45:03 PM »
omg I'm *so* gagging!  Video from the 1984 Pepsi shoot where Michael Jackson's hair caught fire ... finally released.

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« Reply #144 on: July 15, 2009, 04:09:06 PM »
omg I'm *so* gagging!  Video from the 1984 Pepsi shoot where Michael Jackson's hair caught fire ... finally released.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/15/michael-jackson-pepsi-explosion-video/

That's scary!  It's strange that he didn't notice the smell while spinning around in the smoke from his burning hair, but I guess with all that was going on he didn't.  I've read somewhere that he was mostly bald... if true, I wonder if it had something to do with those 2nd and 3rd degree burns.  That's how I remember him looking, by the way (at the first part of the video); I hardly recognized him in later pictures.
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« Reply #145 on: July 15, 2009, 11:21:12 PM »
The drama! And the lack of sound made that video even scarier!

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« Reply #146 on: July 22, 2009, 01:00:37 PM »
DEA just raided Dr. Murray's office in Houston:

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« Reply #147 on: July 22, 2009, 01:30:28 PM »
You would think by now he's had enough time to go in there and destroy any damaging evidence.

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« Reply #148 on: July 23, 2009, 01:42:05 AM »
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I think by now the question mark can be edited out of the title of this topic.  ::)

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« Reply #149 on: July 23, 2009, 07:10:32 AM »
I can't believe this thread is still going. The phrase "beating a dead horse" comes to mind. ::) ;D
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« Reply #150 on: July 23, 2009, 07:13:59 AM »
I can't believe this thread is still going. The phrase "beating a dead horse" comes to mind. ::) ;D


Don't you mean "beating a Madame Tussauds waxwork horse"?

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« Reply #151 on: July 23, 2009, 07:25:34 AM »

Don't you mean "beating a Madame Tussauds waxwork horse"?


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« Reply #152 on: July 23, 2009, 08:28:07 AM »
Topic: Michael Jackson dead at 50?

I think by now the question mark can be edited out of the title of this topic.  ::)

I thought the question mark was there because while he was born 50 years ago most of his body parts were a lot younger.  :D
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« Reply #153 on: July 23, 2009, 09:31:09 AM »
I can't believe this thread is still going. The phrase "beating a dead horse" comes to mind. ::) ;D

Uh, please Oh Bitter One -- this is a celebrity criminal (probably) investigation and thus VERY IMPORTANT.

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« Reply #154 on: July 23, 2009, 10:16:34 AM »

Uh, please Oh Bitter One -- this is a celebrity criminal (probably) investigation and thus VERY IMPORTANT.

Don't you have someone else's food to pre-chew?


Oh Sweetheart, I'm not bitter. Twisted, maybe, but not bitter.

I've never had much time for Michael Jackson, but I wouldn't wish murder on him either. On the other hand, the whole thing is getting rather tired.

As for pre-chewing someone else's food, naw, I gave that up in my New Year's resolutions back in 1999.

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« Reply #155 on: July 23, 2009, 10:44:25 AM »


  You know Joe Jackson never pre chewed any food for Michael........you can just tell, he has that look about him.
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« Reply #156 on: July 23, 2009, 11:52:08 AM »
Everytime I see the name Joe Jackson I think they are talking about the musician.

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« Reply #157 on: July 23, 2009, 12:47:14 PM »
Uh, please Oh Bitter One -- this is a celebrity criminal (probably) investigation and thus VERY IMPORTANT.

Don't you have someone else's food to pre-chew?

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« Reply #159 on: July 23, 2009, 09:04:09 PM »
and I'm just eating it up like a Dipravan and Xanax sandwich and I'm going back for more. For the past 2 weeks I've been watching the screaming heads Nancy Grace and that other broad that's on right after her Jane something-another. I can't stand her but I'm as addicted to the gossip like MJ was to Demerol.
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« Reply #160 on: July 23, 2009, 10:02:48 PM »
I'm as addicted to the gossip like MJ was to Demerol.

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« Reply #161 on: July 24, 2009, 06:37:50 PM »
Well I'm listening to the music and, um, after Thriller album, a few gems but....music superstar genius of all times....?   Pretty damn cool as a young man though.
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« Reply #162 on: July 24, 2009, 09:30:43 PM »
I've got the Number Ones cd and love all the songs. It is sad that he is gone. I love Michael. I just can't help get absorbed in all the drama.
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« Reply #163 on: July 27, 2009, 09:39:18 PM »
***BREAKING NEWS***

Report: Jackson's Personal Doc Gave Deadly Shot
Law Enforcement Official Reportedly Says Dr. Conrad Murray Administered Deadly Dose

By LINDSAY GOLDWERT and SHEILA MARIKAR
July 27, 2009

Michael Jackson's personal doctor administered the final, deadly shot of the anesthetic propofol that would end his life, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

Dr. Conrad Murray was with Jackson when he died June 25 at his California rental home and has been identified in court papers as the subject of a manslaughter investigation.

Edward Chernoff, an attorney for Murray, declined to comment on the report.

"We will not be commenting on rumors, innuendo or unnamed sources," the lawyer said in a statement posted on his Web site.

Murray, Jackson's personal physician hired to monitor the entertainer for his planned "This Is It" tour, was called to Jackson's house June 24 and was the person who found him unconscious, not breathing in bed the next day.

Murray's lawyers have maintained for weeks that the doctor was simply a witness in Jackson's death and had nothing to do with it.

Murray has been widely criticized by medical professionals for waiting more than 30 minutes to call 911 and for performing CPR on a bed instead of a hard surface, but he has continually denied giving Jackson any drug that could have killed him.

He has been secluded at his Las Vegas home and reportedly goes out with a security detail due to death threats.

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« Reply #164 on: August 24, 2009, 06:37:12 PM »

I guess this means the concert promoter's insurance will kick in.
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« Reply #165 on: August 24, 2009, 09:13:07 PM »
Court Papers Show Jackson Died of Propofol

By SOLOMON MOORE
Published: August 24, 2009

LOS ANGELES ó Lethal levels of a powerful anesthetic caused Michael Jacksonís death, according to preliminary coroner findings cited in Texas court documents unsealed Monday.

The documents, a pair of search warrants and affidavits filed by the police in July to search the Houston office and storage unit of Dr. Conrad Murray, Mr. Jacksonís private doctor, provide the most detailed evidence against Dr. Murray by the Los Angeles Police Department and the Drug Enforcement Administration.

The police told judges in Texas and Nevada that they suspected Dr. Murray of manslaughter, according to documents filed there.

According to the warrants, Dr. Murray told investigators that he had administered an intravenous drip of 50 milligrams of propofol, an anesthetic, to Mr. Jackson nightly for six weeks before the singerís death at his Holmby Hills home to help him sleep. Dr. Murray also administered lorazepam, an anti-anxiety drug that can be addictive, and midazolam, a muscle relaxant, to treat Mr. Jacksonís insomnia.

The chief coroner for Los Angeles County, Dr. Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran, indicated that his preliminary assessment of the cause of death was due to a lethal dose of propofol, according to the court documents. They also describe how Dr. Murray administered propofol and other drugs, including Valium, on June 25, the day Mr. Jackson died.

ďAfter approximately 10 minutes, Murray stated he left Jacksonís side to go to the restroom,Ē the documents show. ďMurray stated he was out of the room for about two minutes maximum. Upon his return, Murray noticed that Jackson was no longer breathing.Ē

Dr. Murray said he tried to resuscitate Mr. Jackson and administered flumazenil, a drug to reverse the effects of the sedatives in his system, and then called Mr. Jacksonís personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, for help. Mr. Williams called Mr. Jacksonís security detail while Dr. Murray asked the singerís chef to send one of his sons upstairs to the bedroom as he continued cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

Dr. Murray waited about 82 minutes before anyone called paramedics to the home, according to the court documents.

Investigators said Dr. Murray did not initially tell paramedics or doctors that he had given Mr. Jackson propofol.

Mr. Jackson was eventually taken to University of California Los Angeles Medical Center, where he died. Medical experts said Monday that the combination of drugs Mr. Jackson was given would have exacerbated the effect of the propofol.

Drugs like lorazepam and Valium have the effect of slowing a personís breathing.

ďIf you are going to put on top of that some propofol, you are not only standing on thin ice, but starting to jump up and down on that ice,Ē said Dr. John F. Dombrowski, director of the Washington Pain Center. ďIf you donít have someone who knows how to manage respiratory depression, youíre going to die.Ē

The documents indicate that Dr. Murray tried to revive Mr. Jackson with flumazenil, which reverses the effects of benzodiazepines like lorazepam. But ďthereís no drug that reverses propofol per se,Ē said Dr. Robert R. Kirby, an anesthesiologist.

And waiting 82 minutes to call 911 was inexplicable to medical experts. ďLord, no; youíd call right away,Ē Dr. Kirby said.

Investigators said they found numerous bottles of medications prescribed by various doctors at Mr. Jacksonís bedside and throughout his living quarters.

Dr. Murray said that he was not the first doctor to administer propofol to Mr. Jackson, that he suspected Mr. Jackson was addicted to the drug and that he tried to wean him off of it, the documents state. Dr. Murray told the police that the singer referred to propofol as his ďmilk.Ē On the day he died, Mr. Jackson was unable to sleep and, after repeated demands, the doctor administered propofol in an IV drip.

Investigators also interviewed Cherilyn Lee, a nurse who described how Mr. Jackson asked her to obtain propofol for him.

ďHe stated he would pay her or another doctor whatever they wanted for it,Ē according to the affidavit. Ms. Lee told investigators that she refused.

On June 1, Mr. Jacksonís bodyguard called to tell her Mr. Jackson was ill.

ďShe heard Jackson in the background saying, ĎOne side of my body is hot, and the other side is cold,í Ē according to the affidavits. Ms. Lee told investigators that she told the bodyguard he should go to the hospital.

Dr. Murray was a cardiologist in Houston, Las Vegas and Los Angeles for 20 years. Earlier this year, AEG, an event promoter and stadium operator, hired him to be Mr. Jacksonís personal physician during a planned series of 50 concerts in London, for a monthly salary of $150,000.

A special agent with the Drug Enforcement Administration, which investigates prescription fraud, said records showed that despite the discovery of bottles of propofol at Mr. Jacksonís home, Dr. Murray ďnever ordered, purchased nor received any propofol.Ē

Dr. Murray told investigators that Mr. Jackson obtained propofol from various sources, including two unidentified doctors in Germany and an anesthesiologist in Las Vegas.

Mr. Jacksonís relatives and associates have said the singer used several aliases to obtain prescription drugs.

Public records show that Dr. Murray was in serious financial trouble before he became Mr. Jacksonís doctor, facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in debts and liens and a Las Vegas home in foreclosure proceedings.

Ed Chernoff, a lawyer for Dr. Murray, said in a statement Monday: ďMuch of what was in the search warrant affidavit is factual. However, unfortunately, much is police theory. Most egregiously, the timeline reported by law enforcement was not obtained through interviews with Dr. Murray.Ē

Lt. Fred Corral, an investigator at the Los Angeles County coronerís office, said the toxicology tests and a final autopsy report had been completed but were being kept confidential at the request of the Los Angeles Police Department, which continues to investigate Dr. Murray.

A spokesman for the police department said he had no official statement regarding the case since the investigation was continuing.

Pam Belluck contributed reporting from Nantucket, Mass.
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« Reply #166 on: August 25, 2009, 08:03:38 AM »
When I went into a coma about 12 years ago, Propofol was what was used to keep me in the coma while my body healed.  It's just all ridiculous about Murray.  Negligent, I'd say.
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« Reply #167 on: August 25, 2009, 11:11:19 AM »
But MJ would have found someone to administer whatever he wanted. In this case Murray was in deep financial trouble and MJ got the promoter to agree to pay him $150k a week@! It's easy to justify things in that situation, "he'd be doing it anyway," "I'm not the one getting him the propofol, he already has it.'' etc etc

MJ was skating on thin ice, this was bound to happen sooner or later (an overdose or death).
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« Reply #168 on: August 25, 2009, 01:20:57 PM »
But MJ would have found someone to administer whatever he wanted. In this case Murray was in deep financial trouble and MJ got the promoter to agree to pay him $150k a week@! It's easy to justify things in that situation, "he'd be doing it anyway," "I'm not the one getting him the propofol, he already has it.'' etc etc

MJ was skating on thin ice, this was bound to happen sooner or later (and overdose or death).

Yes, this is all true, but a doctor has a code of ethics that should be followed.  I've been treated by an unethical doctor in the past, who eventually will end up losing his license for overprescribing, just as the doctor who prescribed for Elvis did.  It's unfortunate when people lose principles; but maybe Murray never had any.
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« Reply #169 on: August 25, 2009, 06:17:13 PM »
Needing money isn't an excuse for unethical behavior. Claiming he was reducing harm by being a medical supervisor to an dangerously addicted person is one thing. Perhaps it was a professional accident. But a doctor should probably know when NOT to get involved in a lose lose situation.  I think he never even got paid. 
He's at fault. But morally I'd say the concert promoter pushed the whole situation to its deadly finale.
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« Reply #170 on: August 25, 2009, 06:25:36 PM »
I agree his actions were unethical.

I guess my point is that even if Michael Jackson and Murray had never crossed paths, MJ was still headed down the road leading to an overdose or early death. The reason I think it's a valid point is that it's too easy to use the doctor as a scapegoat and say he killed MJ. That if it weren't for Murray MJ would still be alive etc.

MJ has been in deep trouble for a long time. So many people around him were enablers, the situation had gotten so out of hand. If it had not been Murray, MJ would have found another willing doctor, there was no stopping him.

From a legal perspective, though, Murray is probably guilty of manslaughter, based on what these reports are claiming, if they can prove it in court.

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« Reply #171 on: September 20, 2009, 10:33:48 PM »
and it goes on......
A man is suing Michael Jackson's estate, claiming the singer is responsible for the theft of his herpes cure.

Erle Bonner claims Jackson gave his formulas for "herpes cure, acne cures and arthritis cures" to a guy named Kevin Trudeau, also a defendant, who allegedly pilfered them.

Bonner also claims ..."someone from the Jackson family came by my house and shot a 22 pistol in the air. They turned around in a neighbor's driveway and drove away."

Bonner also claims in his suit, filed today in L.A. County Superior Court ... Jackson stole nine copyrights and the idea for an automobile insurance policy that "would revolutionize insurance for cars in America."

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« Reply #172 on: September 21, 2009, 02:33:29 AM »
.

Bonner also claims ..."someone from the Jackson family came by my house and shot a 22 pistol in the air. They turned around in a neighbor's driveway and drove away."


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« Reply #173 on: September 21, 2009, 04:58:09 AM »
Latoya may be a bit spooky and she sure ain't gonna miss this media exposure, she's really milking it. BUT. kudos to her for saying right out to the press from the get go that her brother was murdered. Ok so maybe it wasnt Bin Laden investement group trying to steal the Beatles catalogue and working through the nation of Islam to surround MJ with his zombie officers.
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« Reply #174 on: September 21, 2009, 07:38:40 PM »
  Latoya is so gangsta!

LOL!  I totally imagined LaToya shooting off some guns while Reebie did "Centipede" in the background!

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« Reply #175 on: September 23, 2009, 10:38:34 PM »
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« Reply #176 on: September 24, 2009, 01:24:42 AM »
Michael is releasing a new song. You know... Like John Lennon has been doing for years and years after death. Makes me wonder just how many unknown or un released songs exist. The jackson's could keep this going for years. It would seem natural that any super star singer has hundreds of recording never released. Stuff they just messed with in the studio to see how it sounds, or recording of other hits, like some Beatles, Elvis and others. Since performers like Jackson have access to recording studios, probably own their own personal recording in-home studio, Michael probably had fun singing all types of songs and getting them down on tape.

I would'nt be surprised if we see many never heard songs released, and possibly entire albums from Michael's collection, in the future.
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« Reply #177 on: September 24, 2009, 03:08:17 AM »
Michael is releasing a new song. You know... Like John Lennon has been doing for years and years after death. Makes me wonder just how many unknown or un released songs exist. The jackson's could keep this going for years.

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