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Author Topic: Consequences of 'catching' HIV-1 again  (Read 188 times)

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Offline tryingtostay

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Consequences of 'catching' HIV-1 again
« on: Yesterday at 05:12:28 PM »
What consequences does catching HIV-1 hold for those already infected.  e.g. me
Labs:
March 2014: CD4 1730 @ 41%, VL 87 without meds
May 2014: CD4 1309 @ 42%, VL <20 without meds

Offline zach

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Re: Consequences of 'catching' HIV-1 again
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 05:40:42 PM »
What consequences does catching HIV-1 hold for those already infected.  e.g. me

personally, i think superinfection is largely a myth. i put it up there with abstinence only education. largely designed only to strike fear and make us be good little boys and girls.

but, it's timely and topical so here ya go, from the lastest poz

http://www.poz.com/articles/superinfection_disease_progression_761_26068.shtml

Zach, I fixed your link... you are welcome.   ;)

Joe
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 06:14:10 PM by Joe K »

Offline tryingtostay

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Re: Consequences of 'catching' HIV-1 again
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 06:35:13 PM »
Hmm.  I didn't know it would be considered a super infection.  I just wonder if engaging with other poz people and i get some new type of strain will my numbers drastically change.  I've only had 2 readings and they have been good so far aside from the symptoms I am feeling but I'd hate to have to include a daily pill just to get back to this state, symptoms n all.  It would feel more like losing this battle as my body is seemingly able to manage it so far, although that could eventually change. 

Please god give me 20-30yrs without needing meds! <-overly optimistic haha
Labs:
March 2014: CD4 1730 @ 41%, VL 87 without meds
May 2014: CD4 1309 @ 42%, VL <20 without meds

Offline tryingtostay

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Re: Consequences of 'catching' HIV-1 again
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 06:46:36 PM »

http://www.poz.com/articles/superinfection_disease_progression_761_26068.shtml

Zach, I fixed your link... you are welcome.   ;)

Joe

Thanks Zach, and Joe.  That's kinda what I thought. The Viral load increases quicker.  I don't think I'm some elite controller I think it's just a slow to possibly no increase rate in VL..

My doc doesn't seem interested in finding out more about my strain.  Who could I possibly go to to find out?  I would be interested to meet my adversary  >:( 

EDIT: Hell I'm even interested in experimenting with meds to see how it effects it and my body.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 06:50:03 PM by tryingtostay »
Labs:
March 2014: CD4 1730 @ 41%, VL 87 without meds
May 2014: CD4 1309 @ 42%, VL <20 without meds

Offline zach

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Re: Consequences of 'catching' HIV-1 again
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 09:07:52 PM »
did i link to porn or something?  :o

Offline Joe K

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Re: Consequences of 'catching' HIV-1 again
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 10:22:13 PM »
did i link to porn or something?  :o

No, your link was doubled and it went nowhere.  I cleaned it up and now it works.

Joe

Offline tryingtostay

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Re: Consequences of 'catching' HIV-1 again
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 10:41:44 PM »
I don't get out too much.  Not even to the front page, hah
Labs:
March 2014: CD4 1730 @ 41%, VL 87 without meds
May 2014: CD4 1309 @ 42%, VL <20 without meds

Offline mecch

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Re: Consequences of 'catching' HIV-1 again
« Reply #7 on: Today at 06:43:15 AM »
  I don't think I'm some elite controller I think it's just a slow to possibly no increase rate in VL..


I think you deserve answers to your particular immune response. If the answers are available. If you are hoping to have no increase in VL, then that sounds kinda like an elite controller. 

Also I think you should get an answer about your individual risk vis-a-vis barebacking without treatment. If you are indeed fortunate enough to not need treatment for some time, then it seems to me a doctor should tell you to your face what re-infection might mean specifically to you, since you are in unique situation.. 

In other words, if your doctor isn't interesting in answering these questions or offering expertise and informed opinion, why don't you try to find a specialist who will.   
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

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Re: Consequences of 'catching' HIV-1 again
« Reply #8 on: Today at 07:45:28 AM »
There are very few documented reports on what is called 'super infection'

Until this recent paper (see above) my understanding was that there was only one such report

This was a Gay man in the nederlands. He was controlling the virus (without meds).
He was linked to care . He got superinfected and eventually lost that control.

The Dutch docs had done due diligence and confirmed these where 2 different infections.

You would have to search for that because I do not have my computer with me

While I can not guarantee that they are no other reports, I am quite certain that there is this case report, that pertains to your question, and this case is the ONLY one I know about 

If you have sex with codoms, you should not have to worry

If you have sex with a regular , on meds, UD, no IST, then should be fine too

If you have (anal) sex with other pozzies, of uncomfirmed UD status, then I do not know

'control' is rare and a complex interaction with the current virus and the host (you)
Another virus and the same you might lead to a different outcome

Other 'controllers' migh chime in... See what they have to say...
NVP/ABC/3TC/... UD; CD4 > 1000; CD4/CD8 ~ 2.0   safety stock : 2 months

 


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