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Offline locopoco

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Pre-cum question
« on: July 24, 2006, 07:43:12 PM »
After reading through the site and watching the posts for awhile I needed to ask a question that seems to have been partially addressed.

One week ago I had protected vaginal sex with a professional. She rimmed me and fingered my anus while we were together. The only worry in my mind is that I pulled out and she used her hands to massage my penis after a fairly long session of intercourse. We then began having sex again and she used the same hand to again finger my anus. Wow this sounds so clinical, sorry. Is there any reason for concern regarding her using her own wetness to penetrate my anus? Can rimming/fingering with vaginal fluids transmit HIV? I really don't know and would love any answers. Also, should I be thinking of getting tested for anything else? You all say that HIV is very difficult to transmit but other STD's are not. Thanks for any response in advance and a deep thanks for all the work you put into this forum/site.


Offline RapidRod

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Re: Exposure question concerning vaginal fluids and anal fingering
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2006, 07:48:33 PM »
You had no risk in what you described.

Offline locopoco

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Re: Exposure question concerning vaginal fluids and anal fingering
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2006, 09:08:31 PM »
None? No reason to test? Whew.

Offline locopoco

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Re: Exposure question concerning vaginal fluids and anal fingering
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2006, 09:41:22 PM »
Should I be getting tested for anything else?

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Re: Exposure question concerning vaginal fluids and anal fingering
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2006, 09:45:59 PM »
Anyone that is sexually active should have an annual check up at least once a year. STDs and HIV tests.

Offline locopoco

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Re: Exposure question concerning vaginal fluids and anal fingering
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2006, 11:01:13 PM »
I understand that this is a general recommendation but I must admit that it makes me a bit nervous considering that the initial response was that there was no need to test. It is also a bit of a vague answer to the question as to whether or not this particular situation necessitates a test, HIV or otherwise. First your response implies a complete lack of need for testing and then the context of the message shifts, in the second, toward the inclusion of a need to test of STD's and HIV. Which one? Let me make this clear, does the above situation appear to need an HIV test or not? What other STD's could I have contracted? From worried to not worried to concerned.

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Re: Exposure question concerning vaginal fluids and anal fingering
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2006, 12:14:28 AM »
There is no risk for HIV in the scenario outlined in the original posting.

Protected sex, kissing, and getting rimmed constitute no HIV risk.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Offline locopoco

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Re: Exposure question concerning vaginal fluids and anal fingering
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2006, 01:01:00 AM »
Thank you for the reply. The question was can HIV be transmitted by using vaginal fluids as lubrication for anal
fingering. Again, sorry to phrase it so clinically.
Also, what STD's can be passed this way?

Offline locopoco

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Re: Exposure question concerning vaginal fluids and anal fingering
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2006, 01:39:44 AM »
Does the above constitute testing for HIV? Other STD's?

Sorry for the persistence but I believe I am getting nervous.


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Re: Exposure question concerning vaginal fluids and anal fingering
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2006, 02:15:47 AM »
Locopoco,

As far as hiv is concerned, no.

If you're concerned about other STI's, have a full panel done.  The various incubation periods are as follows:

Herpes
When symptoms do appear during a first episode they usually appear within 2 to 10 days after infection and last an average of 2 to 3 weeks.

Gonorrhea
The incubation period for Gonorrhea is usually 2 to 7 days.

Chlamydia
The incubation period for Chlamydia is usually 2 to 6 weeks, but can be longer.

Syphilis
The incubation period for Syphilis is usually 10 to 90 days.

HIV
The window period for HIV is usually 2 weeks to 3 months, but most commonly 4-6 weeks, with the average time to seroconversion being 22 days.

Hepatitis A
The incubation period for Hepatitis A is 15 to 50 days.

Hepatitis B
The incubation period for Hepatitis B is usually 45-180 days, with an average of 60 to 90 days.

Hepatitis C
The incubation period for Hepatitis C ranges from 2 weeks to 6 months - commonly, 6 to 9 weeks.

A full std panel at 13 weeks will almost always catch everything.

Morgan
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Re: Exposure question concerning vaginal fluids and anal fingering
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2006, 05:55:58 AM »
loco,

A closer look at our general advice of sexual health check-ups for anyone who is sexually active will reveal that it isn't contradictory at all.

ALL of the other STIs are MUCH more easily transmitted than hiv. Some of them, like syphilis or herpes can be transmitted via skin to skin contact, and for this reason can be transmitted whether or not a condom is used if the lesions are on a part of the body that isn't protected by a condom.

The ones like gonorrhea and chlamydia can be transmitted via genital fluids being used for lube - although this isn't as high a risk for them as unprotected intercourse.

Hiv is a fragile virus that quickly becomes damaged and unable to be transmitted outside the human body. Thankfully, things like kissing, rimming, using genital fluids as lube do not transmit hiv. However, as long as you're having regular check-ups for the other STIs, it is prudent to also be tested for hiv because hiv is nothing to guess about. As long as you are using condoms for intercourse, you can expect your test results to come back hiv negative. This will tell you without doubt that you are hiv negative.

Look at it like going to the dentist. You don't go to the dentist every time you eat something sweet. If you take good care of your oral hygiene, you can expect the dentist to not find cavities, but you go along for the routine check-up anyway. Same thing for hiv. Use preventative measures and you will have no problems, but to have the confirmation of a negative test is to have priceless knowledge. And knowledge, as they say, is power. It's also a comfort.

You do not need to test for hiv over this incident unless it is part of your routine sexual health care check up.

I hope that explains things a little better for you. While you're here, don't forget to check out the links in the Welcome Thread and please also check out the condom and lube links in my signature line.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL STIs together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with a sexually transmitted infection.

Use condoms and avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple.

Ann
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Offline locopoco

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Pre-cum question
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2006, 01:17:04 AM »
Sorry to post again y'all but after reading through the previous posts I have an unanswered question.

The sexual encounter was mutual masturbation with a man who is HIV+. He used his pre-cum as lube on me and rubbed it into the urethra. I was, obviously, engaged in the moment and didn't notice until a good while that he was continuing to use his pre-cum as a bell-end bufferer. The question is how is this not a possible form of transmission?

JK stated-"Pre-ejaculatory fluid can contain more virus than semen, in the right circumstances." Doesn't this infer that it can also transmit the virus?

Thank you for your insight and research.

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Re: Pre-cum question
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2006, 01:21:00 AM »
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JK stated-"Pre-ejaculatory fluid can contain more virus than semen, in the right circumstances." Doesn't this infer that it can also transmit the virus?

"under the right circumstances." Which exist inside the human body, specifically the anus or vagina. Not outside, such as mutual masturbation. For a variety of reasons. Reasons which were pretty well outlined by Ann in your original thread about vaginal sex, kissing, and rimming.

We do ask, however, that you stick to that thread and not start new ones.

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=2161.msg23699#msg23699
« Last Edit: August 13, 2006, 01:23:44 AM by jkinatl2 »
"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Offline locopoco

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Re: Pre-cum question
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2006, 01:37:33 AM »
Sorry JK,

I thought that a new experience/question constituted another thread. My apologies.

Just want you all to know, and specifically you JK, how wonderful you all are for devoting time to all of these questions. Hopefully each of you know how much your kind and timely responses mean to all of the freaked out,  nervous, and at times paranoid people who post. What else can I say but a heart beaming thank you!


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Re: Pre-cum question
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2006, 06:10:52 AM »
loco,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you had gone to your original thread, you would have had the answer to your question. An excellent example of why we have a one-thread policy.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Ann
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline locopoco

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Re: Pre-cum question
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2006, 03:43:13 PM »
So I'm being redundant but is there truly no way that pre-cum can transmit HIV in a masturbation situation?

Thanks.

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Re: Pre-cum question
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2006, 04:14:16 PM »
Yes you are being redundant and it's getting old real quick. No one is going to lie to you that are regulars that take the time to answer your questions. It's really insulting for you to ask such a question.

 


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