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Window Question?
« on: June 02, 2009, 11:13:01 AM »
Hey everyone, just a quick question....

I've dated my g/f for about 6 months now, she donated blood, so had the hiv test a month before we met.  She's had some issues during our relationship (nothing bad), but got free blood work done via her employer that tests her thyroid/cholesterol,white blood cell counts...like a panel that test for like 30 things....no hiv specific.  she had one done 2 montsh after we started dating and now just a little over 5 months and everythign came back normal - if *something* wasn't "normal" - such as hiv infection, that would have thrown up some sort of abnormality  ont ath test, as far as white blood/cell count, right?

also, one night a few months back, we were about to have sex and i went inside her al the way then immediately right back out....i couldn't have been in her for more than 3 - 4 seconds...given my above scenario with everything, just saying *WHAT IF* for piece of mind...would i have had any risk?

thanks for your answers!

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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 01:14:02 PM »
OK. The only time a couple can safely dispense with using condoms is if they have 1) tested together with an HIV test at an appropriate time and 2) are solidly committed to a monogamous relationship.

The blood tests your gf has taken are not something on which you should be basing an assumption that she's HIV negative. And understand, I am not meaning to imply that she isn't. But the ONLY test which can reliably give HIV status reliably is a specific HIV test.

As for this recent extremely brief insertive experience, is technically a risk but personally I would not consider it something to get tested over. However, avoid anything like that in the future until if and when the two of you go monogamous and get tested together.

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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 01:58:28 PM »
Great - thank you sooo much.  Also, a 3 month test is definately 100% conclusive, right? :o)

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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 02:14:05 PM »
Yes, a negative result at 3 months is definitive.
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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2009, 02:23:20 PM »
Wohoo! Made my day! ...so u see no real risk from above? :-)

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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2009, 09:01:17 AM »
I've already told you my opinion. Technically it was a risk but in the real world of HIV from what you have described I don't see cause for concern. However, if it's going to weigh on your mind then get tested and collect the inevitable negative result.

...and until if and when you and your gf decide to be officially monogamous and want to give up using condoms, until that time you should be using condoms when you have intercourse. That's the safer way.
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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 11:44:34 AM »
hey everone!  just for peace of mind, i bought and just sent out the home access kit.  i don't remember exactly how long it's been since that experience above, but i know for a fact it's been OVER 2 months.

think this test will be conclusive with that or should i take a later one also in about 1-2 months just for peace of mind?  thanks again!

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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2009, 12:57:33 PM »
If you follow the CDC guidelines, testing at 13 weeks is the reliable point. Your risk was so slight that I certainly expect a negative result.
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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2009, 08:05:10 PM »
just called my results were already back! NEGATIVE!!!! SUCH a relief!!!!  i am going to dig my head out of my ass and not be stupid EVER again!!!!  thanks for your help guys!

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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2009, 08:42:18 AM »
Congratulations on that good news!

Keep those condoms, use them everytime for vaginal and anal intercourse and you won't have to go through this kind of worry again.

Cheers.   
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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2009, 12:44:11 PM »
hey everyone - just an updated, since now it has definately ben the 3 months since said incident, if not more, than DEFINATELY ridiculously close, i went ahead and sent out another test just to have some piece of mind - a bit nervous, just for obvious reasons....wish me luck!

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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2009, 03:31:14 PM »
All that I expect is that you will get another negative result.
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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2009, 08:17:48 PM »
hey everyone...just called and got my result - NEGATIVE!!! I know this one is conclusive, as it has been either within a week or of 3 months or actually greater than 3 months......i learned a VALUABLE lesson out of this and will ensure i go nowhere near anything w/o a condom first!! thank you soooo much!!!

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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2009, 09:54:15 PM »
That's very good news indeed.

And also that you are committed to consistently using condoms in the future. That way  you won't have to go through this kind of torturous experience again.

Cheers.
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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2009, 11:10:03 AM »
absolutely!!!!

there's absolutely no risk in making out and "dry humping" each other if we are wearing underwear right?

sorry for the stupid question...lol

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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2009, 11:13:59 AM »
Wouldn't have mattered if you didn't have unware on or not, humping is NOT a risk and making out is NOT a risk.

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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2009, 11:21:36 AM »
so to basically clarify it - it has to be actual unprotected penetrative sex act to be at risk?

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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2009, 11:23:44 AM »
so to basically clarify it - it has to be actual unprotected penetrative sex act to be at risk?
YES...

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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2009, 11:34:39 AM »
haylo,

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED FURTHER TESTING AT THIS TIME, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2009, 10:20:13 AM »
another quick question - last night, thing were heating up between this girl and myself (no sex, so i'm assuming no risk), but she touched herself, was playing with herself, then touched me....is that any risk?

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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2009, 10:35:35 AM »
haylo,

Rodney answered you question above in reply #17. Yes, it's the same question with the same answer.

Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted through unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse where the virus never leaves the confines of the two bodies. A woman can touch your penis with vaginal fluid on her fingers all you want and you're not going to get hiv this way. One more time, sexually speaking, hiv is transmitted through UNPROTECTED anal or vaginal intercourse. And that's it!

We're not here to hold your hand every time you have a sexual encounter. You need to learn the facts laid out on this website and start applying them to your own life.

If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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Please consider yourself warned.

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Re: Hi - just a quick question!
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2009, 10:58:11 AM »
right on, thanks Ann  ;D

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Window Question?
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2009, 12:16:57 PM »
Hi, I've ready the forums, so I know the answer is after 6 weeks you've never seen anyone test positive that tested neg, etc, and yet the 12 weeks it the "legal/cdc" reason for the recomendation - just wondering how come ppl in the "i just tested pos" section then stated they tested negative for months and months and then suddenly they test positive?  thanks in advance!

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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2009, 01:05:20 PM »
Haylo,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.



What is usually omitted in those type of posts in Just Tested is that they continued to engage in risky behaviour between tests. I have NEVER seen one of those people in Just Tested who was actually claiming to NOT have risks in between tests. There are many people who test once or more a year, just because it's what sexually active adults - especially ones with multiple partner - are supposed to do. You've already been advised of this.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Window Question?
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2009, 01:40:11 PM »
I totally understand, the topic started by user "ByTheBay" stating full blown hiv after months of neg. testing is what got my question started.

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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2009, 02:49:31 PM »
Haylo,

That's a simple case of fast progression. It's unfortunate, but it happens sometimes.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Window Question?
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2009, 03:02:25 PM »
right, totally - but what i was lost about was the months and months of negative tests, or did i blatantly miss something where he/she did that would cause the infection to show after 6 weeks?

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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2009, 03:07:53 PM »
Haylo,

That person previously had negative test results because he hadn't yet been infected. Some people's bodies cannot handle the primary infection and they end up with terrible numbers very quickly.

But this has NOTHING to do with you. You do not have hiv and you have tested conclusively hiv negative. I suggest you stay out of forums that have nothing to do with you and are none of your business. Keep posting questions about other members of these forums and you'll earn yourself a time out.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2009, 03:12:47 PM »
works for me - just trying to stay educated and aware, didn't mean to upset or offend.  Thanks for your help, have a great day :)

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« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2009, 12:23:06 PM »
quick and stupid question everyone - one of my friends is going to get tested today...she was up drinking and got really drunk last night and is a little hung over, however getting better as the day goes on...she is going to do the test in about 5 hours - will the alcohol affect the validity/reliability of her test?  thansk!

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« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2009, 01:07:49 PM »
No, her alcohol consumption will not affect the reliability of her test result.
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« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2009, 01:21:23 PM »
great, thanks!  so, just to be crystal clear- even if she was drinking right up until she got her blood drawn for the test - that would not affect it whatsoever, right?  Thank you SOOOO much or your help and everything!

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« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2009, 01:24:47 PM »
No. Won't affect her test result.
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Re: Window Question?
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2009, 08:20:16 PM »
at least 90 days later, her result was negative..we think a few more days later than 90 days!!!

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« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2009, 08:59:17 AM »
She's reliably tested HIV negative. How long are you going to drag this out with just one more one?

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« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2010, 02:00:27 PM »
thansk for your help...i went down on my g/f the other night....no vaginal or anal intercourse...just ate her out...i know you've said NO risk from this, but i read the transmission lessons and it's saying it *IS* possible, via 1 or 2 documented cases?  just trying to stay educated! thanks!

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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2010, 02:07:39 PM »
Haylo,

As you know, I rejected the new account you tried to create. Do that again and you'll be permanently banned.

Going down on a woman is not a risk for hiv infection. The two cases cited were NOT documented, as being documented means it was proven without doubt to be the cause of infection. These were "reported" cases, where that is how the patient insisted they were infected. However, in both cases, other risk factors were found to be involved - namely, unprotected intercourse with someone of unknown hiv status.

You did not have a risk. Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2010, 02:15:00 PM »
thank you SOOOO much! sorry i forgot my password, but got it figured out...won't do it again! 

thanks for the quick answer...i can relax now! :-)

have a great day!

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« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2010, 07:08:04 PM »
I totally undersatnd what you're saying and fully trust your all's information, however how come some country's cdc, dept. of health etc can be found stating hat giving cunnilingus is negligible risk and there are documented cases of it happening - or is this just because someone "says" that's how they are, sothey note it down? thanks again, sorry to be abother!

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« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2010, 07:33:30 PM »
It helps if you would look up negligible. You would have answered your own question. 

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« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2010, 07:36:56 PM »
^ lol.....I understand bro, I just want to make sure i'm 100% safe and ok to go down on women and not have a risk of hiv....you guys are obviously the experts... ;D

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« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2010, 08:14:08 PM »
Haylos,

Hiv transmission doesn't stand a chance of happening via female genitals to mouth - there are just too many obstacles on the oral route.

The first obstacle is the mouth itself. The mouth is a veritable fortress, standing against all sorts of pathogens we come into contact with every minute of our lives. It's a very hostile environment and saliva has been shown to contain over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv.

Hiv is a very fragile virus - literally. Its outer surface doesn't take kindly to changes in its preferred environment; slight changes in temperature, moisture content and pH levels all damage the outer surface. Importantly, it needs this outer surface to be intact before it can latch onto a few, very specific cell types and infect. 

Which leads to the second obstacle. Hiv can only latch onto certain types of cells, cells which are not found in abundance in the mouth.

The third obstacle to transmission this way is having hiv present in the first place. The female secretion where hiv has been shown to be present is the cervicovaginal fluid. This fluid is actually a thick mucus that covers and protects the cervix.

The fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, located on either side of the vaginal opening. I have yet to discover one shred of evidence (and believe me, I've looked) that shows this lubricating fluid to have any more hiv present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears. Saliva, sweat and tears are NOT infectious fluids.

So there you have it. Once the results of the serodiscordant studies started rolling in, what we know about hiv transmission on the cellular level was validated. The only people who were getting infected were those who had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Period. One of the three studies went on for ten years and involved hundreds of couples. That's a lot of nookie.

Get on with your life.You have not had a risk for hiv infection.

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« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2010, 11:32:21 AM »
thanks Ann! Just another quick question...I think i've had some allergies, as i woke u pwith a stuffy nose and some sinus drainage and the roof of my mouth was itching (that reallyt annoying feeling), i looked in my mouth and ther are 2 dark reddish *irritations*....spots on the roof of my mouth near the back...is this in any way a sign/symptom of hiv??!!! or probably just an irritation to the itchiness?
« Last Edit: January 21, 2010, 11:39:27 AM by haylo »

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« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2010, 11:45:35 AM »
If there has been a genuine risk for HIV, neither the presence nor the absence of symptoms will ever tell you accurately about your HIV status. Only an HIV test can give you that answer.

But you haven't had such a risk. And you have been coming here long enough to be able to apply what has been said to you to other sexual situations in your life. We are not here to hold your hand everytime you have sex just because you have another burst of anxiety.

You're on the verge of getting a 28 day Time Out.  Consider yourself warned.
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« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2010, 11:21:53 AM »
Is testing Neg at 76 days conclusive? Thanks! :)

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Re: Window Question?
« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2010, 01:18:54 PM »
We follow the CDC guideline of 13 weeks. Many countries use 12 weeks. Your 76 days is slightly under that. You decide what you're comfortable with. If you re-test I expect a negative result. l
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Re: Window Question?
« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2010, 10:28:27 AM »
Great - thanks Andy. I plan to get tested right at day 90 (new relationship, piece of mind). This will be 100% conclusive, right?

Thanks in advance - last stupid post and question!

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Re: Window Question?
« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2010, 10:34:56 AM »
Yes, a negative at that point would be conclusive.
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Re: Window Question?
« Reply #48 on: March 24, 2010, 10:43:08 AM »
Great - thanks a lot!  8)

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Re: Window Question?
« Reply #49 on: March 24, 2010, 10:56:54 AM »
You're welcome. Now in the meantime, get on with your life.
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