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Author Topic: Are you afraid of a towel?  (Read 2026 times)

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Offline keyite

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Are you afraid of a towel?
« on: March 27, 2009, 08:32:10 AM »
Came across this curious video done by the Danish Board of Health in 2008. As an experiment they put hidden cameras into a public toilet for women in Copenhagen and two towels were provided - the one on the left labelled 'used by people who are not HIV positive' - the one on the right labelled 'used by HIV positive people'. For a generally highly educated nation it makes for depressing viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10CE-cmSwnM

Offline Dachshund

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Re: Are you afraid of a towel?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2009, 08:46:08 AM »
I don't find it surprising at all. What I do find surprising is someone would use cloth towels shared by the public to dry their hands. Very unsanitary. You might as well be drying your hands with a bath mat.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2009, 08:50:28 AM by Dachshund »

Offline mecch

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Re: Are you afraid of a towel?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2009, 09:08:13 AM »
The concept of the test is stupid and "invites" a display of prejudice. Entrapment
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Offline odyssey

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Re: Are you afraid of a towel?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2009, 01:09:22 PM »
I would never use a public towel anyway! I don't care who had used it, I'm not worried about HIV, I'm worried about all the nasty germs that can survive on a towel, like Staph, Strep, MRSA, and a variety of other pathogens. EWWWW! I get creeped out just pushing the dispense button on the paper towel machine in a public restroom, so there is no way I would ever use a towel that some random person, HIV negative or positive, had used! But yes, I get the point, and it is very sad that people are dumb enough to think HIV could survive on a towel and be transmitted to them. Also, providing towels to be shared in public bathrooms in general is a bad idea, not because of HIV, but because of the huge number of other nasties that can be shared!
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Offline David_CA

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Re: Are you afraid of a towel?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2009, 03:37:38 PM »
Like others, I would never use a shared cloth towel in a public place.  If I absolutely 'positively' had to use one, though, the HIV+ towel would probably be the cleaner of the two; fewer people would likely use it.  Knowing me, though, I'd have switched the signs around!  ;)
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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Are you afraid of a towel?
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2009, 06:11:47 PM »
The Danish Board of Health apparently doesn't know much about research methodology.

Offline simpleguy

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Re: Are you afraid of a towel?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2009, 08:02:41 PM »
The clip was used as part of a campaign about hiv and prejudice. The hygienic aspect of using towels in public restrooms is not the point, which should be pretty obvious. 25 years after hiv/aids entered the dictionary and lots of money spent on educating the public at large, PLWHA still face stigma, even in the gay community. An estimated minority of 0.1% (5.000) of the danish population are hiv+
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Offline David_CA

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Re: Are you afraid of a towel?
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2009, 10:02:52 PM »
The clip was used as part of a campaign about hiv and prejudice. The hygienic aspect of using towels in public restrooms is not the point, which should be pretty obvious. 25 years after hiv/aids entered the dictionary and lots of money spent on educating the public at large, PLWHA still face stigma, even in the gay community. An estimated minority of 0.1% (5.000) of the danish population are hiv+

I think hygienic aspect of the cloth towels kinda is the point, or should be.  If people are so clueless about how unsanitary a shared cloth towel is, should we really expect them to be any more informed about HIV?  Believe me, I'm sure a lot of folks here are quite aware of the stigma of HIV... both inside and outside of the gay community.
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Offline keyite

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Re: Are you afraid of a towel?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2009, 12:32:35 PM »
The hygienic aspect of using towels in public restrooms is not the point, which should be pretty obvious.

Yup, I thought it was obvious too - or none would have used either of the two towels.

Offline Dachshund

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Re: Are you afraid of a towel?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2009, 01:21:46 PM »
Yup, I thought it was obvious too - or none would have used either of the two towels.

Not quite right either. Obviously sharing towels is a common practice in Denmark, or as you suggest no one would have used them. I'm not sure if this is more a case of caution versus stigma. Label the towels with anything suggesting a positive versus a negative when it comes to any type of infection and I'm sure you would get the same results. Obviously with such a low rate of infection in Denmark, the Danes seem pretty knowledgeable about how HIV is spread.

Oh, rest assured we all got the point. No matter how flawed the methodology.

Offline David_CA

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Re: Are you afraid of a towel?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2009, 02:01:00 PM »
Label the towels with anything suggesting a positive versus a negative when it comes to any type of infection and I'm sure you would get the same results.

It reminds me of an old Candid Camera episode I saw years ago.  They re-labeled the rest room doors - one to Virgins and the other to Non-Virgins.  It was funny to watch the women go to the Non-Virgins door that was normally the ladies' room and pause after they read the sign.  Some went on in, some used the other rest room, and some just didn't use either.
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Offline texasangel071184

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Re: Are you afraid of a towel?
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2009, 12:03:33 AM »
 :o ??? :-[ that discusting i would never use either towel i guess that show what level of cleanlyness they believe in. and too no one can catch hiv from a towel it has to be from blood to blood contact or other fluids and the moment hiv touch the air it dies. god it like that guy iwork with all over again telling me i had to wear glove because i might get a box cut and infect him. i wish they would read up on thing first instead of "ASS-U-ME"ing.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2009, 12:05:17 AM by texasangel071184 »
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Re: Are you afraid of a towel?
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2009, 12:04:43 AM »
sorry about the spelling
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