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Author Topic: New numbers; weird result?  (Read 1178 times)

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Offline odyssey

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New numbers; weird result?
« on: March 27, 2009, 01:33:04 PM »
Okay, so I got my second CD4/VL result back, and I'm a bit befuddled by the result. I mean, I understand the results themselves, but I could use a bit of help understanding why they changed the way they did.
            3/23                              1/20
CD4     462     23%               425     22%                     
VL       69,461                      32,415

So, this is why I'm confused. My VL went up a fair bit, but so did my CD4! I have been kinda sick. I had a brutal oral hsv outbreak that cleared up before my most recent test, but I'm pretty sure I was getting a cold/sinus infection on the day of my recent test. Could this affect anything? I'm just really confused. I don't get how both numbers could increase, I thought if my VL went up like that, my CD4 would probably have gone down, or remained fairly stable, not gone up like that. Could someone please help me understand? Thanks!
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: New numbers; weird result?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2009, 01:43:13 PM »
First of all, cd4 absolute numbers can easily fluctuate from one test to another +/-100, so in light of this fact your immune system is relatively stable. 

In terms of your viral load number it changed by less than one log.  I don't think I'd interpret these two sets of lab numbers as wildly different.
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Offline isitthatbad

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Re: New numbers; weird result?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2009, 03:09:57 PM »
my CD4 has plummeted over the last 3 blood readings yet my CD4% has actually gone up i was informed to never take into account the CD4 as CD4% is the most accurate

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Re: New numbers; weird result?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2009, 03:27:14 PM »
my CD4 has plummeted over the last 3 blood readings yet my CD4% has actually gone up i was informed to never take into account the CD4 as CD4% is the most accurate

I wouldn't say "never".
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Offline newt

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Re: New numbers; weird result?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2009, 03:30:46 PM »
You really need to look at both, plus other things, like what's happening in the rest of your white blood cells and red blood cells, to make a judgement.

The simplest and most reliable measure of risk of illness is CD4 count as measured over time, like 3-4 tests. 1 test is no good. If my CD4 was falling over 3-4 tests, I wouldn't give a shit what my % was, if the count was under 250 I'd want PCP prevention meds and if it was under 350 I'd be thinking about combo.

See:
Research forum: CD4 count not CD4 % to guide treatment decisions say some Italians

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Offline odyssey

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Re: New numbers; weird result?
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2009, 03:36:55 PM »
Thanks for the info. Time is a concept I've always had a hard time with, so I guess its just bizarre in my mind to have a condition the changes over a period of years as opposed to days or weeks. Its a bit challenging to wrap my mind around the whole thing and "wait" for a pattern of test results to "develop". I really appreciate the feedback though. Its good to know this isn't a bizarre occurence. You guys and gals really are helpful! :D
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

 


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