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Offline thunter34

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Re: Serious exposure to HIV
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2007, 08:21:48 PM »
I've been on Kaletra, and for me it just started a few days in and got worse and worse and worse.  I had the endless runs and nausea so bad I couldn't even handle sitting upright...let alone standing up.  Once the ill effects started, it took me nearly a month to feel anything approaching normal again.

But you may feel just fine.

Can't really say.  It varies from person to person.

AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline Brackie

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Re: Serious exposure to HIV
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2007, 08:29:38 PM »
I've been on Kaletra, and for me it just started a few days in and got worse and worse and worse.  I had the endless runs and nausea so bad I couldn't even handle sitting upright...let alone standing up.  Once the ill effects started, it took me nearly a month to feel anything approaching normal again.

But you may feel just fine.

Can't really say.  It varies from person to person.



Are you on kaletra on a long temr basis or did you take it as part of a PEP regime?

Offline HIVworker

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Re: Serious exposure to HIV
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2007, 08:31:24 PM »
You didn't read very hard then....e.g.

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Fortunately, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea – when they occur as side effects of anti-HIV treatment – are usually mild, and tend to diminish after the first few days or weeks of treatment.

i.e. they start early in treatment (few days) and diminish after that. You want an exact period of when they will start? Sorry, it will differ from everyone.
NB. Any advice about HIV is given in addition to your own medical advice and not intended to replace it. You should never make clinical decisions based on what anyone says on the internet but rather check with your ID doctor first. Discussions from the internet are just that - Discussions. They may give you food for thought, but they should not direct you to do anything but fuel discussion.

Offline Brackie

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Re: Serious exposure to HIV
« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2007, 08:34:01 PM »
You didn't read very hard then....e.g.

i.e. they start early in treatment (few days) and diminish after that. You want an exact period of when they will start? Sorry, it will differ from everyone.

Ok, thanks for your help..I missed that. I appreciate it

Offline thunter34

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Re: Serious exposure to HIV
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2007, 08:36:35 PM »
Are you on kaletra on a long temr basis or did you take it as part of a PEP regime?

Oh, hon...check out my post count.  I'm a long termer.
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Offline Brackie

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Re: Serious exposure to HIV
« Reply #55 on: December 31, 2007, 08:06:52 PM »
Well its my 6th day on the PEP and while I seem to be tolerating it quite well apart from some minor back pain, I am more worried on whether its working or not. I'm pretty sure my lymph glands in my groin and neck are reacting....which doesn't bode well for when I get tested. I guess I may have to start coming to terms with the fact that maybe this is one bullet that I cannot dodge this time.

Offline 411

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Re: Serious exposure to HIV
« Reply #56 on: January 01, 2008, 03:26:46 AM »
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I'm pretty sure my lymph glands in my groin and neck are reacting....which doesn't bode well for when I get tested

Brackie, that's extremely unlikely given the characteristics and time frame of any viral infection, let alone HIV. The general trend of your posts lend themselves to someone who is continuously looking for changes, e.g. your expectation of a reaction to PEP and your symptom shopping. Your mind is predisposed to looking for these things therefore things that you've never noted before suddenly have meaning and its not good, in your opinion.

Your incident is very basic and the facts remain unchanged. Your "exposure" was relatively minor and was borderline questionable for PEP. You were advised to obtain a medical perspective, which you've done, and the decision to prescribe PEP was made. In my opinion your doctor considered the matter along the lines of issuing an "insurance" policy more so than a genuine need for PEP. Its done and PEP is considered extremely effective in preventing infection. This position is based on years of data and ten of thousands of instances gathered from serious exposures in the medical field.

Keep working out, stop symptom and reaction shopping and remove your head from between your legs and stop kisssing your ass goodbye. There is every reason to expect nothing but a negative result when the time comes for testing, seriously.

Offline Brackie

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Re: Serious exposure to HIV
« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2008, 01:59:18 AM »
I just thought Id let you know that I finished the course and then had a 5 week test which was negative. Will have a final one at the 3 month end date

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Re: Serious exposure to HIV
« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2008, 09:06:09 AM »
Congrats on that happy if not unexpected result.

Given the low level risk you had, this certainly points to favorably to another negative result when you re-test.

Cheers,   
Andy Velez

Offline Brackie

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Insertive Anal sex without condom
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2009, 01:21:45 AM »
Hi there, in the early hours of sunday morning I had brief anal sex with a guy that I kinda know and we did not use a condom..blame me I was drunk. I ejaculated inside him and then immidiatley had a thorough shower. I have had PEP twice before and am reluctant to get it a third time, but feel it may be warranted. The guy said he doesn't know his status as he has not been tested in a while, but I was a bit concerned by how unconcerned he seemed to be.

Should I get PEP, I have basically 30 hours to make up my mind?

Offline HIVworker

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Re: Insertive Anal sex without condom
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2009, 01:43:45 AM »
I wouldn't say PEP is required unless you are certain that the person is HIV positive. If you were the insertive partner, know it's less likely. It's really your choice - and you have to make that decision yourself.

I note that this is your third decision whether to take PEP. Don't you think it's time to think before you have sex? Being drunk isn't an excuse to put yourself at risk. I am not being judgemental here, I am trying to protect you from getting a STD. It's a dangerous game here. If you didn't think 'never again' after the first time, then will you now? This should be a wake up call. Condoms, no exceptions.

R
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Offline Brackie

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Re: Insertive Anal sex without condom
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2009, 01:51:29 AM »
Thanks for the reply. The first 2 times I took PEP were through broken condoms. This is actually the first time I have ever deliberatley had unprotected sex. Do you think that there is a possibility I may be refused PEP as I have had it twice before and may build up an immunity to certain drugs?

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Re: Insertive Anal sex without condom
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2009, 02:29:58 AM »
You don't build up an immunity to HIV drugs unless you have HIV...and even then, it is HIV and not the person, who builds up immunity.

R
NB. Any advice about HIV is given in addition to your own medical advice and not intended to replace it. You should never make clinical decisions based on what anyone says on the internet but rather check with your ID doctor first. Discussions from the internet are just that - Discussions. They may give you food for thought, but they should not direct you to do anything but fuel discussion.

Offline Brackie

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Re: Insertive Anal sex without condom
« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2009, 02:41:07 AM »
He's just told me he is positive so I guess I will be taking that PEP after all..lying bastard that he is

Offline anniebc

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Re: Insertive Anal sex without condom
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2009, 03:22:26 AM »
Brackie

I have merged your post so use this one from now on to ask your questions, please do not start a new one....thank you for your cooperation.

Jan
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Offline Brackie

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Re: Insertive Anal sex without condom
« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2009, 03:33:38 AM »
Can I just ask, So a user can only ever post one topic if if the events are completley unrelated? The guy has told me he is on kivexa and viramune and he is undetectable...whether that makes any difference or not I don't know?

I don't mind the fact that he is positive, but the lies are what gets me. IfI hadn't asked him again he wouldnt have told me and the fact is I have one day left for PEP to be worth my while.

Offline RapidRod

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Re: Insertive Anal sex without condom
« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2009, 05:12:45 AM »
Your ignorance really amazes me. If you want to be a bug chaser be one but don't keep coming back to this forum to post about your ignorance. Maybe you should think about getting some professional mental help because something has got to be wrong.

Offline Brackie

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Re: Insertive Anal sex without condom
« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2009, 05:24:45 AM »
Your ignorance really amazes me. If you want to be a bug chaser be one but don't keep coming back to this forum to post about your ignorance. Maybe you should think about getting some professional mental help because something has got to be wrong.

So one deliberate mistake and I'm a bug chaser? I've done everything in my life to prevent "bugs" and the one time I make a duff decision, it turns out t be quite serious. I'm only human mate

Offline Andy Velez

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Re: Insertive Anal sex without condom
« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2009, 09:05:46 AM »
You have to decide what level of risk you are willing to tolerate in relation to this latest incident. It's of course good that the other guy has a low level VL. But low level is not quite the same as no risk.

If you decide to do PEP again, the sooner the better...

Good luck either way. And in the future avoid mixing excessive drinking with casual sex. It's a very dangerous combination.

Andy Velez

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Re: Insertive Anal sex without condom
« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2009, 09:55:18 AM »
Brackie,

Asking someone their status is never going to make it safe for you to have unprotected intercourse. Not only do people sometimes lie, as you discovered, but many, many more will only ASSUME to be hiv negative. They're not lying per se, they just don't accurately know their status. Please take responsibility for your own sexual health and your own actions. Unless the guy was holding a gun to your head, there was no reason for you to go ahead and consent to unproteced intercourse.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. 

Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.


Ann

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