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« on: August 05, 2006, 04:04:54 AM »
hi people,
i am a male from eastern europe.
after an unprotected insertive oral and protected insertive anal sex (i think condom was not broken at all) with a male i tested neg. @6 weeks and olsa at 87 days (12,5 weeks) both 4th generation elisa + p24 tests. my encounter was 7 months ago.

are my results conclusive? should i really move on?
« Last Edit: August 05, 2006, 04:06:40 AM by ase »

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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2006, 04:21:08 AM »
Ase,

Your test results are conclusive over this no-risk encounter.  (Receiving a blowjob is not a risk for hiv infection as saliva is not infectious and your penetrative sex was protected)

Normally we would not even recommend testing over what you have described.  But a 12 week post encounter negative test result is reliably conclusive.  You are hiv negative.

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Re: 12,5 weeks
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2006, 04:23:33 AM »
what it make me feel unconfortable is that 12 or 13 weeks thing. and even 6 months?

is also 12,5 week now conclusive without assesing my encounter risk. (even if it could be a high risk?)

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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2006, 04:34:37 AM »
Ase,

Yes.  If your anal sex was unprotected and you were the receptive partner (very high risk) a 12.5 week negative result would still be conclusive.

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Re: 12,5 weeks
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2006, 04:38:08 AM »
ok thank you for your fast reply morgan. wish you all best!

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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2006, 04:39:48 AM »
Cheers  ;)
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Re: 12,5 weeks
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2006, 10:20:49 AM »
The CDC is quite conservative about testing and it has for sometime now accepted 3 months as a reliable testing point except in circumstances where the person is an IV drug user or has a several depleted immune system due to cancer treatment and such.

Assuming neither of those exceptions apply to you then your test result is definitely reliable. You are HIV negative. Period. End of story.

Keep using those latex condoms everytime you have intercourse. They provide very effective protection.
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2006, 06:24:21 PM »
no i am not using iv drugs never was on chemo and never had an operation except a knee surgery in what they put into my knee a nail.

and andy what is confusing my mind is that term "3 months"..
« Last Edit: August 05, 2006, 06:34:49 PM by ase »

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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2006, 06:45:31 PM »
Ase,

12/13 weeks, or 3 months, is the "window period" that you allow after a potential exposure before hiv antibody test results are considered conclusive.

You are conclusively hiv negative.

Morgan  :)
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2006, 06:51:37 PM »
ok, but it can be 12 weeks already why some say they should get tested @ 13 weeks and another @ 12. why is this so? just a different policy of different nations but still gets both the same?

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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2006, 07:07:46 PM »
You've got it figured out. You had a NO Risk situation and didn't need the test at all.

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2006, 12:31:54 PM »
people it's been 221 days and since 3-4 days i have a sore throat and diarrhea and bodyaches and an amazing stuffy nose.. could it be a late seroconversion?

i dont remember exactly if the condom was intact. even like that would my 87 days neg. test would be conclusive. should i get tested @6 months? i have a monogamouse relationship since this encounter and during this 12,5 weeks we didnt have sex too waited for neg. but after that we have unprotected sex.   she's got bodyaches ec. too since 4-5 days.

0p.s. i was never on chemo, doesnt use some immunity drugs or had a blood transfusion etc.

i had only an anterior cruciate ligament operation in which they put to my knee a titanium nail 2 years ago.

should i move on with my negative test? really?

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2006, 12:35:32 PM »
You have to ask us if you need to move on? You were told in several of your posts you didn't have a risk and you didn't need a test. So what does that tell you? No Risk, No test. Move on....

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Re: 12,5 weeks
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2006, 12:39:35 PM »
even there was a condom breakage?

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Re: 12,5 weeks
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2006, 12:42:33 PM »
What did you test state? NEGATIVE. If you are have trouble understanding that seek the help of a mental health professional.

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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2006, 12:46:22 PM »
Your experience:

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unprotected insertive oral and protected insertive anal sex (i think condom was not broken at all)

Was not a risk for HIV. Not sure why you are testing over a non risk.

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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2006, 01:12:04 PM »
ase,

Even if the condom was broken (unlikely - broken condoms are obvious) you have conclusively tested negative. You ARE hiv negative.

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« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2006, 05:50:14 AM »
what about late seroconversion?i read that there are cases that seroconvert later than 3 months.

its been 31 weeks since my encounter and since 3-4 days i have severe diarrhea severe sweating nasal congestion and sore throat...

is there any chance that i turn positive?

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2006, 06:07:31 AM »
ase,

Have you been injecting street drugs every day for years? Are you a cancer patient on chemotherapy? Have you had an organ transplant and are you one anti-organ rejection medicine? NO? Then you won't seroconvert late.

You are absolutely hiv negative. It's time for you to move on and see a doctor about your physical problems. There are other illnesses in the world besides hiv you know. Find out which one is causing yours. You have ruled out hiv.

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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2006, 06:15:30 AM »
no to your all questions.

thank you for your replies...

just one thing to ask i read on thebody.com site that there are 2 cases of late seroconversion after 3 months? do you have any idea about them? are they like cases you mentioned above?

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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2006, 06:43:10 AM »
ase,

If you have questions about something posted on The Body, I suggest you ask those questions AT The Body. We are not responsible for their content.

I will say this though, if you want to stress out over two cases - which may or may not be true - in twenty five years of this pandemic and millions of people taking these tests, then that's up to you. As far as we are concerned here at AIDSmeds.com, you are reliably hiv negative and it's time for you to move on. Go see your doctor about your problems. You have ruled out hiv as a possible cause.

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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2006, 07:34:39 AM »
sorry ididnt want to take a responsiblity for other websites. just wanted to know that these cases is the similar ones you mentioned like chemo, heavy iv drug user etc....

whatever thanks for your replies again, i am no more confused that my tests are not conclusive.

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« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2006, 03:03:34 PM »
Ase,

Again, that would be a question to post on The Body.  We have told you the circustances responsible for delayed seroconverison and they don't apply to you (see Ann's post #18).

Morgan
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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2006, 03:05:09 PM »
got it morgan thanks for the information you all gave.

god bless you all

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Re: 12,5 weeks
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2006, 11:03:57 AM »
Ann, Andy, Rod, Morgan

just to learn more information i want to ask something.

why does this exceptional cases make the people late seroconverters? what does change in the human body? and also are the ARS symptoms shown by late seroconverters too? (for example @4 months or @5 months @ 6 months?)

thanks for info

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Re: 12,5 weeks
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2006, 12:01:03 PM »
Drugs and medicine.

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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2006, 05:04:15 PM »
are the ARS symptoms shown by late seroconverters too? (for example @4 months or @5 months @ 6 months?)

and just to clarify rod s answer: does these drugs and medicines make the immune system to produce less antibodies or to produce later so people seroconvert late?

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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2006, 05:42:03 PM »
ase,

Symptoms or the lack of symptoms mean absolutely nothing when it comes to hiv infection. Late seroconverters are rare and they may or may not experience symptoms. Symptoms are meaningless and so is the lack of symptoms.

You are reliably hiv negative and you never had a risk in the first place. If you cannot accept your negative status, please seek the assistance of a mental health care provider to help you deal with your health related anxieties. We cannot offer you counseling here.

You are hiv negative and it's time for you to move on with your life.

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« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2007, 06:51:06 AM »
hello,

it's been 18 months and asi told you before i have been tested at 42 and 87 days and negative. since then i only had sex with my girlfriend (sometimes protected sometimes not) which i am in a llong term relationship with.
since a month i have diarrhea and also lost 7kgs. and i am worried that my tests were false negatives?

i got worried again.. can this happen?

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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2007, 07:00:27 AM »
You do not get false negatives that late in testing. Your test was conclusive.

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« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2007, 08:04:01 AM »
So, this whole 1 month long diarrhea and weight loss cannot be relate to this encounter (or hiv)?

after 18 months can it show such signs?

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Re: 12,5 weeks
« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2007, 08:22:39 AM »
If you have had diarrhea for a month and have had weight loss, see a doctor. It doesn't have anything to do with HIV.

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« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2007, 08:35:50 AM »
As Rod has suggested you need to discuss your symptoms with your doctor. Your past HIV test result gave you a reliable negative result. I see no reason to think HIV is an issue for you.

However, I do want to raise another issue. You mention that sometimes you have protected sex with your girlfriend and sometimes not. The only time when a couple can safely give up using condoms is if they are in a securely monogamous relationship AND they have both tested negative together at a reliable testing point.

Perhaps you've handled that but it's not clear to me from what you've written.

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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2008, 08:17:21 AM »
hi people,

i had a sexual encounter with 2 sex workers in a night (2 were protected vaginal, 1 protected and 1 unprotected received oral) a week ago. 5 days ago  i had sore throat and runny nose but everybody in my office had that too. but i am unsure if i have ars because i have very bad armpit and groin pain since 2 days but my sore throat and runyy nose is not present - just feelin a little bit tired. no fever at all. (maybe a littile bit but i didn't feel it.

can it be ARS (in 3 days)? I am unsure that there was a condom breakage because it was very dark and I have used some alcohol.
should i get tested?

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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2008, 08:23:29 AM »
ase,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

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You should know from your previous questions to this site that you did not have a risk for hiv infection with the sex workers. If the condom broke, you would have known about it. You don't need testing.

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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2008, 10:29:41 PM »
Thanks Ann but after that night I have still pain in my armpit and groin which come and go but very annoying and also some shortness of breath which causes a terrible dry cough.

I really doubt if I got something from those encounters. As I told before, I am unsure that there was a condom breakage at the second time.

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« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2008, 02:51:20 AM »
As you were told before, HAD the condom failed you would have known.

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« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2008, 06:47:13 AM »
ase,

If you're worried about pain and shortness of breath, you'll have to see your doctor. We can't help you with that over the internet. Whatever is going on has nothing to do with hiv as you were not at risk.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST OVER THIS INCIDENT, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence. Use them correctly and consistently and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple.

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« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2009, 07:46:31 AM »
Hello people,

I am dating a girl for a month and we had sex last night for the first time. We started using a condom but after she got dry in her vagina, I took it off and continued without condom.
I am worried about it...

She told me that her last encounter was 4 months ago. She wanted to have sex without condom after she felt pain in her vagina but at first she was OK with it.

I don't know her past and she seems a little, how can I say, she likes sex. not so conservative, I mean.

Should I worry?

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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2009, 08:04:32 AM »
Ase, you should both get tested together if you 1) have decided to be monogamous together and are confident about that and 2) it should be at 13 weeks after the most recent unprotected incident. Assuming you both test negative then you can if you choose to dispense with condoms.

But that is a decision not to be made lightly -- only if you feel confident the relationship really is monogamous.

Otherwise you need to get tested to establish your status. And from now on you need to use condoms everytime. No exceptions whether she likes it or not. Perhaps if you use more lube (water-based only) the condom will be more comfortable for her. Otherwise everytime you have intercourse without a condom you are potentially putting your life at risk. It's as stark and as simple as that.
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« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2012, 01:06:40 PM »
Hello people,

i wanna ask something. i had an encounter with an escort girl 4 days ago and had a protected vaginal intercourse and protected oral intercourse. She also used a "Bepanthene" creme on the condom. I didn't recognize any comdom breakage. She also did an unprotected handjob with a moisturizing handcreme.
Was this encounter safe?

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« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2012, 04:10:49 PM »
Hello people,

i wanna ask something. i had an encounter with an escort girl 4 days ago and had a protected vaginal intercourse and protected oral intercourse. She also used a "Bepanthene" creme on the condom. I didn't recognize any comdom breakage. She also did an unprotected handjob with a moisturizing handcreme.
Was this encounter safe?

It was.
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« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2012, 11:39:14 AM »
using bepantheneis not dangerous right?
i know waterbased libes are the best but is bepanthene ok?

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« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2012, 09:40:31 AM »
Bipanthene was designed to be used for certain rashes and other problems.

Ase, just keep it simple and always use a water based lube with condoms. That works and has no adverse effects on a condom.
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« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2012, 03:29:58 PM »
Andy, thanks for reply but just to clarify: Bepanthene has no adverse effects, right?
I know water-based is the best one but what about Bepanthene? Does it diminish the condom's effectiveness?

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« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2012, 03:40:19 PM »
No problem about that. And remember, if a condom fails it's very apparent it has happened. It's not about itty bitty little holes.

The whole thing goes and ends up as a hoop with fringe on the penis.
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« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2012, 01:20:44 PM »
Andy,
thank you for answer.
As I said before, she even used for oral intercourse (twice) a condom. She put it with her mouth and gave me a blowjob.

Is this a risky move? I mean is it harmful for condom?
After oral she used that creme twice again.

And should I get tested for STD's in this circumstance?

I do have a monogamous relationship except this encounter and always have an STD panel once a year (mostly in summer) but I just don't want to cause any trouble to my girlfriend and myself.

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« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2012, 04:09:34 PM »
iI'd like to have a feedback anout that, i think you've skipped my topic?

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Re: too early ars?
« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2012, 05:19:45 PM »
You need to stop being a worrier without cause. Receiving oral even without a condom is not a risk for HIV. It's one of the most common of sexual activities. In the entire history of the epidemic there has never been a confirmed case of HIV transmission in that manner.

It's safe to say you are not going to make history by becoming the first.

Cut it out and get on with your life. Really.
Andy Velez

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Re: too early ars?
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2012, 06:55:09 AM »
Just to clarify, you were right... Again! Thank you for your so valuable help.
I did a PCR test on day 15 and cam back negative...

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Re: too early ars?
« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2012, 08:13:09 AM »
OK. Now get on with your life. And remember to always use a condom for vaginal and anal intercourse. That way you will always be well protected from the sexual transmission of HIV.
Andy Velez

 


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